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Let me start by saying that the following statements -likely- do not apply to the majority of Professional eSport athlete's.
Unlike most other sport's, eSport's doesn't have a governing body that can regulate player's and their actions. At this point, it's up to the players, the managers, and beyond that their teams to keep their member's in line. With that said my problem lies in the way that some so called -Professional- athlete's treat the sport and the event's that surround it. There are those athlete's that agree to an event, receive all relevant event information, as well as contact information and then proceed to take advantage of the limitation's of the event admins. Specifically, they will check in extremely late, delay their match times, and generally disrespect all of the hard work that goes into planning the event. It's absolutely infuriating and extremely stressful. Particularly when you have an active stream of thousands and a strict event itinerary. Of course, the players know all of this and because they know that the event admin's are limited in their options they continue to press their advantage.
I actually think teams are just as liable as the player's. Team's, particularly with respect to new, or younger members, need to manage their players better.
But as I said at the beginning, this doesn't apply to everyone. Or even probably the majority. I can verify that some Professional athletes are in fact truly Professional. Making efforts to read pre-event info, keep in regular contact, and maintain professional and appreciative attitude throughout the whole event.
TLDR Some player's are failing to treat eSport's with the respect and professionalism it deserves.
This in no way represent's the combined opinion's of the SCReddit.com community or the SCRI event staff. It's purely my opinion.
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I can agree to your complaints, but also at the same time some people might look "lazy" but might have had other commitments.
But I 100% agree that people not showing up on time to a match is very stressful T.T (I know from experience)
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well, depends what you mean by "Professional".
I would call someone a pro if they're sponsored to play and they represent something (a brand, company, product, etc).
If using my definition of "pro", then most pros do indeed have a governing body, their sponsors. If they show poor sportsmanship and just display themselves as a total dick, the sponsors won't be happy.
Also, korean esports has the KeSPA... which is a really large governing figure over broodwar scene and other esports games like Special Forces (...)
Anyone who isn't showing Professional behavior isn't a PRO. That's how I see this.
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What kind of events are you referring to? Online tournaments, the GSL, others?
I wasn't aware of the - as you suggest - big number of (due to lack of punishment) "unreliable" players. Can you cite any occasions where this has happened, or where you got this impression from?
(god, i sound like an admin^^ - no offense  )
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A system can't be based on hoping that a large number of people (in this case, players) doing the right thing by themselves. If you are having trouble with this issue, I think you'll need to work with other tournament admins to set up guidelines where players have real consequences if they don't follow the rules.
It doesn't matter if it's the team or players fault - if they don't have consequences there is no reason for them to change.
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I think you're taking esports a little too serious. It's a bunch of nerds who play videogames for money. what do you expect really? It doesn't deserve anything.
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The tournament runner makes the rules. if you don't disqualify them when they do those things, then its your fault.
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I don't really agree. If people BM/Cheat they get banned from leagues/tournaments. It might not happen too much right now, but it will happen more as the game develops.
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On January 18 2011 09:46 InRainbows wrote:
I think you're taking esports a little too serious. It's a bunch of nerds who play videogames for money. what do you expect really? It doesn't deserve anything.
Uh...
It's more than that.
Inversely, I can say sports are just a bunch of jocks lifting weights to jump through hoops (or run in circles).
Don't simplify things because you either don't understand the scope of things or simply don't agree with them.
If Esports was just that, the popularity would be reflected.
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On January 18 2011 09:46 InRainbows wrote:
I think you're taking esports a little too serious. It's a bunch of nerds who play videogames for money. what do you expect really? It doesn't deserve anything.
it's a new market. It's a place where computer related business entities can advertise. A new space of marketing. The game itself is not the focus for companies, it is the audience and consumers. It's serious because money can be generated from it.
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also basically it's up to each org/tourney to come up with rules
otherwise you can't "regulate" what idra says in an interview and to do so would be ridiculous. I'd rather hear what the players think than "I will try my hardest" and "it will be tough"
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Maybe this is about Morrow in the SCRI?
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I love Kennigits quote on SotG so i will use it again - he basically said we are a bunch of nerds trying to legitimise an esports industry.. things like professionalism are lacking but i think it is because these are a rather foreign concept. Esports isn't globally at the level were professional or unprofessional conduct would really affect anything.. However, i agree there are many many small things that tend to annoy me and hinder esports' ability to solidify itself.. Tasteless saying "bumrushed" during a live cast, Jinro swearing on a live interview (i know he is swedish, but that shouldn't be an excuse).. However these are rather minor infractions..
You also have to look to people like ChoyafOu - he was caught laddering in a dodgy fashion (paper, scissors, rock to win) and was banned from the team league and received and official warning..
Everyone knows about naniwa and ESL so no need to repeat..
So these are signs of some sort of framework.. All of us want esports to become a serious enterprise but i dont think there are that many of us that want to take esports seriously.. we still want it to be "fun" ..
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well e-sports players are human after all.. I don't think its worse or better than other sports to be honest.
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On January 18 2011 09:54 Peterblue wrote:
Maybe this is about Morrow in the SCRI?
After watching SCRI and Morrow like flip shit or something, he would be the first person I would put into the category of "un-professionalism".
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there's a difference between having a personality and being "unprofessional", come on now
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On January 18 2011 09:46 InRainbows wrote:
I think you're taking esports a little too serious. It's a bunch of nerds who play videogames for money. what do you expect really? It doesn't deserve anything. Football is a bunch of hooligans trying to kick a ball in a goal.
Or ehh, a bunch of pub gooers who throw small arrows into cork for a living. :')
Professional sport has always been kind of a silly thing.
Also, regulating organs in sports are usually disastrous, more often than not they end up being like KeSPA, answering to companies and sponsors, not to players and fans. This whole 'e-sport licence' they have going is ridiculous, together with whipping aplenty for players who don't stand in line. Such as players who sit down and talk with blizzard.
It's been like this in about any sport which is centrally regulated, let tournaments decide on their own sanction on players.
What strikes me as completely silly is that some Koreans are now actually in jail for what comes down to receiving money for not doing their best at a videogame. If you can make a living by winning at a computer game, why not by losing at it?
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On January 18 2011 09:38 cazter wrote:
Let me start by saying that the following statements -likely- do not apply to the majority of Professional eSport athlete's.
Unlike most other sport's, eSport's doesn't have a governing body that can regulate player's and their actions. At this point, it's up to the players, the managers, and beyond that their teams to keep their member's in line. With that said my problem lies in the way that some so called -Professional- athlete's treat the sport and the event's that surround it. There are those athlete's that agree to an event, receive all relevant event information, as well as contact information and then proceed to take advantage of the limitation's of the event admins. Specifically, they will check in extremely late, delay their match times, and generally disrespect all of the hard work that goes into planning the event. It's absolutely infuriating and extremely stressful. Particularly when you have an active stream of thousands and a strict event itinerary. Of course, the players know all of this and because they know that the event admin's are limited in their options they continue to press their advantage.
I actually think teams are just as liable as the player's. Team's, particularly with respect to new, or younger members, need to manage their players better.
But as I said at the beginning, this doesn't apply to everyone. Or even probably the majority. I can verify that some Professional athletes are in fact truly Professional. Making efforts to read pre-event info, keep in regular contact, and maintain professional and appreciative attitude throughout the whole event.
TLDR Some player's are failing to treat eSport's with the respect and professionalism it deserves.
You obviously didnt do any research before posting this. KeSPA is a governing body over all BW progamers. None of the stuff you listed happens at proleague/osl/msl events, because all these leagues and the players in them are truly professional. Compared to the BW scene, SC2 'esports' are amateur events atm, like hockey before the NHL was created. People who arent professionals cant be expected to act like them.
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I think before this discussion can be pushed forward, the concept and definition of professionalism should be established. All sports, even outside the sport, have some forms of lack of professionalism within their players.
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On January 18 2011 09:59 zyzski wrote:
there's a difference between having a personality and being "unprofessional", come on now
Yeh and the difference is the growth and future of Esports.
If you're a public person, attending in broadcasted tournaments and such then it wouldnt be too bad to concider the approach and attitude towards the other player in perpective to the audiance.
Dont flame. Stay classy. Improve Esport as a whole.
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