EPTTL Mafia XXXIV: Pokemafia
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On December 10 2010 07:43 LSB wrote: I'll just use posts made before Inactives: Plan Firstly. DO NOT CLAIM DO NOT CLAIM I feel like this should be quoted a few more times :D | ||
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 I (and I'm sure lots of other newer players) have no clue what that *means* though, especially when we can't PM each other. (That might turn out to be more of a blessing than a curse though.)So... can someone enlighten me? | ||
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On December 10 2010 12:25 Gabriel wrote: //End of arguing with random people defending random people when they actually cant pm eachother (suposedly). Going to sleep. Look at ken's history (from salem, at least)-- he spammed and was generally unhelpful even though he was medic. tbh between your constant accusations and random voting, you're being more distracting than he is. | ||
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On December 10 2010 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Most people gave a reason, Gabriel took an extremely hostile stance towards several players, gave shaky reasons for his actions and bandwagoned shamelessly and then became extremyl defensive and rage quit when people questioned him. Until someone comes along and acts scummier I'll be keeping my vote on who I feel is the best lynch. Honestly, gabe's play has been distracting and inconsistent at best and scummy at worse. I mean, look at this: On December 10 2010 09:40 Gabriel wrote: I rather start the blind shoot into this small room with a shotgun. We are not getting analysis going too far away day one. Picking the right guy at the right time is picking a dead weight at first. He goes from saying "We're not going to be able to analyze anyone day 1, let's just lynch an inactive and hope it removes some dead weight" to... On December 10 2010 11:20 Gabriel wrote: Interesting: my half good "im new" shot is now voting for me. Kenpachi care to explain A) your vote B) your deep posts? Trying really really hard to paint ken as scum. And he doesn't even have any decent basis for it! One quote is a throwaway reaction to the day 1 post, one quote is asking about rules of the game, and the rest are useless but harmless posts. Like I said before, if he had taken even a second to look at ken's play in salem he would have seen that ken spammed like crazy even though he was medic. He might be active but he's certainly not helpful, and I think he knows it. Personally, I *do* think good analysis can be done day one. My vote's with gabe for now. | ||
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On December 10 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote: Gabriel did out himself pretty early as a big voice in this game. This could split one of 2 ways. Mafia could want to shut him up (Gabriel = Pro-Pokealliance), hence the votes, or he's hoping that if he barks loud enough the town will bend to his will later on (Gabriel = Pro-Team Rocket. People like to jump on power players when they're not "known" in these games, so the votes aren't completely at a surprise. I'm iffy about Gabriel. I looked at his posting history and he did play in BC's game early this year. He was a vigilante and was quiet, didn't spark controversy, and eventually died by like Night 2 or something. Now he's being loud, so I'm encouraged to believe he's a vocal pikachu, or a team rocket member. Don't forget Gengar is more-or-less the Godfather, but based upon what his role description says, he can manipulate role checks. This makes him a sort of godfather with less power, so Gengar probably won't be vocal in the thread, unlike SouthRawrea in Salem mafia. I might be missing something, but how is this godfather any less powerful than the salem godfather? | ||
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On December 11 2010 08:30 KtheZ wrote: Eiii, i have a bone to pick with you too. I'd like to know why you posts 2 contentless posts And then you jump on the Gabriel bandwagon with no reasoning at all? Please explain. I asked two questions because I was curious about differences between this game and salem mafia I might not have been aware of, and if you actually look about two pages back you'll see a post by me explaining why gabe has my vote for the time being -_- | ||
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On December 11 2010 17:05 Gabriel wrote: No Sir. The main indicative of mafia behavior is his fail to come with an explanation about his vote or anything at all. I actually explained my vote (under a bad logic i agree) and in my first paragraph im stating that im actually going to lynch an active player. Maybe you missed the part where i asked to disregard all i said about lynching an inactve and posted why we should actually lynch an active player. holy shit Gabriel Mafia: The game where it doesn't matter that your arguments are logically consistent, or that they're accurate, or even that they make any sense at all! As long as you have a long post to make so it looks like you're trying really really hard, congrats! You're absolved of potentially being mafia. Next suspect! | ||
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I'm switching my vote to ken. He's already been analyzed to death, but what I really don't like is this: On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote: youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic? Zero response to DC's attacks, just semi-claims to be blue to avoid a lynch. Obviously he takes it back a post later, but I just can't get over how disruptive a move this is. | ||
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On December 12 2010 16:18 Gabriel wrote: You are so mafia it hurts my eyes sir. Last voter on Kenpachi too. To put it in a few words: 1 Eiii puts the pressure on Gabriel to justify a badwagon. Note that he states clearly that my reasoning for calling KENPACHI OUT is wrong based. Yeah, I said that calling ken out as a major target so early was a bad plan because he always played spammy. I stand by that. On December 12 2010 16:18 Gabriel wrote: 2 Just as Node describes: when I post about lynching zeks and why he is the best behavior lynch he comes out with two rather personal attack posts (and he didnt even cared to read about zeks analysis). Another thing to note: dodging Nodes call out. Not even a word. Period. They were mostly attacks on your posts-- alright, they got a little personal, I'm sorry about that. But seriously, in one part of that post you outright state that you can't possibly be mafia because you explained your vote-- you admit you didn't have 'good logic' behind the vote, but hey since you offered an explaination then nothing could possibly be wrong. I don't understand this line of thinking at all, and it really put me off at the time. I don't have any defense to node's call out. Those were two posts where I just attacked you because I really, really didn't like you style of posting. I'll avoid things like that in the future. On December 12 2010 16:18 Gabriel wrote: 3 Three posts later im the cleanest guy in the town. Throw me a bone here please. Because three posts later, I went back and actually made the effort to understand your post on zeks instead of just tossing it out as another grasping-at-straws analysis post by you. I rethought my position on you-- You were being way too aggressive to be mafia, like I kind of alluded to in my 'too bad to be mafia' post, and once I stopped focusing on your questionable logic at times it looked like you were actually trying to root out mafia. Like I said-- as long as there's *actual* content for you to analyze, I think you'll keep putting out pretty good analysis posts. At the beginning, there wasn't any content and you just kind of attacked people-- *that's* what set me against you at first. On December 12 2010 16:18 Gabriel wrote: 4 Remember point 1? lol now Kenpachis analysis is good (after it came from tree.hugger). Now im asking anyone to re read the actual case from treehugger and get the name of all those quotes inside his post calling Kenpachi (hint: they are mine). I didn't use even remotely the same logic you did for calling kenpachi out, and you should know it if you've read my posts. On December 12 2010 16:18 Gabriel wrote: Can you actually explain how you pass from "(Gabriel is) Trying really really hard to paint ken as scum. And he doesn't even have any decent basis for it!" to "I'm switching my vote to ken. He's already been analyzed to death" (by Gabriel and tree.hugger mostly)? Sure, if you actually throw some content inbetween those two posts they make a lot more sense! At first, ken was just spamming. Gabe called him out for it. Ken always spams (or he did in salem when he was medic, at least), so it's not really a huge mafia tell in my book (for him, of course). What really tipped me off was when he semi-claimed blue at the last second when it was clear he was under significant pressure. In salem when he was about to be lynched he just busted out with 'I'M MEDIC' out of nowhere, and got his ass saved. He *was* medic, of course, but I don't have any doubt that he remembered how quickly the town opinion on him turned around in salem once he floated that piece of info. What I saw here was someone really, really afraid of getting lynched who knows that claiming blue has saved him in the past, so he goes for the same tactic again. That's the reason I voted ken-- I didn't vote because he was spammy, I didn't vote because he posts didn't have any content, I voted because considering his history in salem and that quoted post's reaction to major pressure, I thought he was trying really hard to get out of being lynched. On December 12 2010 16:18 Gabriel wrote: And how you pass from: "...gabes posts are so blatantly bad I'm actually starting to have a hard time believing they could possibly be authored by scum. o_O" + "holy shit: Gabriel Mafia: The game where it doesn't matter that your arguments are logically consistent, or that they're accurate, or even that they make any sense at all! As long as you have a long post to make so it looks like you're trying really really hard, congrats! You're absolved of potentially being mafia. Next suspect!" to "Alright, so as much as I don't like his posts gabriel seems to pretty clearly be a townie at this point. Looks like actual discussion makes him put out decent content instead of just blindly lashing out, so hopefully that keeps up :D I really didn't like your posting at first, and that stuck with me even as it got better. I explained my thought process more above. On December 13 2010 05:33 DarthThienAn wrote: Complete turnaround... starts the game off saying how he thinks Kenpachi is a bad poster. Then he changes his mind because Kenpachi continues posting poorly? Not to mention he's the last vote. Darth's post on me focuses on about me focuses on my turnaround on ken as well. I didn't lynch ken becuase his posts were spammy or bad, like both have pointed out I defended ken for being spammy and bad earlier in the game. It's specifically his reaction to pressure that got him my vote-- I don't think defending someone for doing one thing and then later lynching them for a separate thing they've done is a contradiction in the slightest. | ||
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Gabe, I'm having something of a love-hate relationship with you, just as you have a love-hate relationship with being useful. Look, you're very suspicious of zeks and zeks is very suspicious of you, but both of you are acting out so badly now that neither really looks any better than the other. There's almost no good that can come of this, but let's go through your post point-by-point: ONE: Zeks has a reasonable point here. Even if you are completely 100% totally certain that zeks is mafia for whatever reasons, I don't get the feeling that the rest of us feel quite as strongly and you should respect that as long as you don't have the solid reasoning to back up such a claim. Zeks is suspcious and we certainly should be keeping an eye on him, that's for sure-- especially after he just barely missed being lynched day one, but not getting lynched doesn't make him mafia automatically. It makes him very worth looking in to, at least. We'll do that, don't worry. The more you two go back and forth fighting like this the less credible each of you get. This isn't gabe vs zeks, assuming you're aiming for a town win. Zeks is suspicious, we will keep an eye on him. If he continues to act suspicious, he's a prime lynch candidate. That's it. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, you did a good job with that at least. TWO: Good observation from zeks. Regarding hesmyrr's role, taking the cautious route here isn't a bad thing, but I don't understand what mafia would gain from claiming one-life-down vet. They don't know who the bomb hit-- if hesmyrrs is mafia and the real vet out there knows who took the hit, than all mafia's done here is out one of their members. If mewtwo actually took the hit, then he just knows who to kill when he wants to cut down mafia numbers (which will probably be pretty soon, given the way the game's going so far). Or, the only way this move doesn't hurt mafia is if they know that the bomb was on one of the already-dead townies. But whichever way, mafia has no way of knowing which situation is actually taking place! I'm inclined to say that hesmyrrs is town, but caution never hurt anyone. THREE: Calling your arguments 'solid' and treehuggers' 'stupid' is a little self-serving, don't you think? Both arguments had decent grounds, prentending that your argument was perfect and his was shit so obviously mafia must have intervened doesn't get us anywhere and shows exactly the kind of bad attitude that makes you look suspicious. FOUR: This is just another story about how gabe's fantastic arguments and debating skill triumphed over the pathetic jcarl on page twenty, leaving him with only an angry face and blah blah blah. This is pointless and gets us nowhere, please stop this kind of posting. FIVE: Alright. SIX: This is a mostly baseless attack from zeks, if I understand correctly. SEVEN: Zeks uses my change in stance on gabe to show that the whole gabe bandwagon disappeared, when there wasn't really a good reason for the gabe bandwagon to keep going. He got votes early on because of agressive and attention-grabbing posting, then lost those votes as more suspicious people were found. I don't think that's an unreasonable shift. Gabe's response to this is, again, 'I defended every argument against me and am a fantastic debater and am not one of the crying idiots like you.' This is seriously not helpful. Good point about context, though. EIGHT: zeks, his accusations against you amounted to a couple posts that could be taken as scummy. It wasn't much of a stretch, and there isn't much to be questioned there. Not everyone instantly bought in to gabe's *conclusion*, but his evidence spoke for itself. Gabe, how can you say zeks was never bandwagoned when he was prime candidate to be lynched for the majority of the day? And again with the 'my argument is perfect and no one has yet to stand up to it, so clearly it is entirely correct'... ...anyway, the point is: Gabriel, you clearly have the ability to strongly influence the town's focus and direction. Please start using this ability to actively hunt for scum or investigate recent events rather than abusing it to win your ego-war with zeks. Zeks is suspicious. Everyone understands that by now. By fighting like this you're hurting your reputation, you're hurting your argument, and you're hurting the town as a whole. Please look at the big picture, and put more effort in to make your posts constructive for the town as a whole instead of just for yourself. | ||
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The double lynch doesn't feel like a good idea to me because I don't think we have enough good leads on scum. It's the end of salem all over again, with slightly lower stakes. | ||
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...because today I learned that either I'm miller or node is scum! Given how fragile the current situation is I'm more inclined to believe node is just lying and trying to throw off our double lynch to all but secure a mafia victory. DC's actions recently don't make him look 100% clean, but neither do node's-- plus, I don't think it's totally believable that a dt would be lucky enough to hit mafia twice on his first two tries. :/ | ||
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