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hi everyone , will start talk about colosus ( protoss player will hate that )
but the real reason im saying that = after you have read this first part .
remember , you need to be honest and forget that you play zerg , terran , protoss .
you are just playing starcraft 2 and want the same kind of balance starcraft 1 got.
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okay for my exemple im terran and im playing terran vs protoss on lost temple :
we both follow good standar build order
when you scans that he go colosus
+ Show Spoiler +well you dont realy need to scans , every toss go colosus , they know that good , and i know , everyone who want to win know and go colosus , that like not making medivak in any matchup , anyone who want to win do that ? )
what the terran can do ? protoss player will say : make viking dummy they kill colosus easy !
but in reality , how many viking you need for kill one colosus ? and the fact the viking are useless vs any other protoss unit other that void ray ? you need to produce the unit from the starport , and you stop produce medivack for viking ? when you need medivack in terran vs protoss ? but ALL THAT .
that not the real problem.
you see protoss got more that one unit in the game , protoss player are smart and also make stalker ( who kinda kill viking easy if both players can micro unit , for colosus you retreat them a litle , just a litle , and A MOVE back into the micro fest )
but the real problem , colosus deal TERRIBLE TERRIBLE 10X DMG before they die , other protoss unit are here for finish the survivor or the pissed off marine who watched the whole fight and just think WTF ? WTF ?!
( the pissed off marine can be a players just like you ..... )
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and the same happen in zerg vs protoss , realy hope blizzard do something , but anyway im sure they know , they follow pro scenes alot and korean players
( everyone think that right ? ).
if for some reason they dont know that , dont blame blizzard , they do the best they can for balance the game and here the real reason :
pro gamer feedback and the fact they want to keep winning no matter if the game balanced or not , and honestly they will do that ,you will , anyone would , they win money , they dont play for fun.
this can go realy far seriously , more far that you think .
in fact pro gamer can play in some way for show the other race imbalanced
( the unit they want ) overpowered and loss the game in helpless move or realy try hard to win the game using zero unit people say imbalanced .
for people who realy think they both just play the best they can :
you realy think pro gamer dont know what happen in the game ? what will happen if they do that ? or that ? they are alot more going on that people think in many game .
this go to this question , who blizzard can trust for balance the game if the pro gamer are not honest , blizzard people are realy good at making game ,but for balancing the game for e-sport ? they curently got someone realy good : dayvie for talk with pro gamer and play with them, but what you think the pro gamer who play zerg , protoss or terran say to him , or how they play him ?! what kind of replay they show him ?
best move would be to hire many people who dont win money with starcraft , but play at the e-sport level , im sure these kind of players would create the best RTS balanced game ever , and anyway blizzard need more people that just 1 people for follow the honest pro gamer meta game.
what you guy honestly think ?
no you are not protoss or zerg or terran here !
what you think ?
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Honestly, I think if you want to change, remove collossi, we should also discuss removing marauders and hydralisks. :/
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On November 03 2010 04:48 Oddysay wrote:
best move would be to hire many people who dont win money with starcraft , but play at the e-sport level , im sure these kind of players would create the best RTS balanced game ever , and anyway blizzard need more people that just 1 people for follow the honest pro gamer meta game.
what you guy honestly think ?
no you are not protoss or zerg or terran here !
what you think ?
I think these people simply do not exist.
People will always consider their race as the harest to play and most UP race, even if they win a lot.
IMO, the real problem about balancing SC2 is that Blizz does not balance the game for pro level but also for bronze level and even 2vs2.
EDIT: not replying to the Colossus part, think it isnt ment to be serious?!
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a wc3 progamer named ToD wanted to be involved in the balance process of wc3. blizz laughed at him and he eventually retired while the game remains broken to this day.
i think dkim is doing a good job thus far. they generally listen to the biggest complaints and address them with reasonable fixes. you can't please everyone though.
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colossus is fine. The viking is designed to be able to snipe colossi before battle. Its very hard to position colossi so that they are protected by stalkers from every single angle, and if they do manage to protect colossi from vikings, then they're in a really bad position vs MM. If you are dying to colossus because the first time you attack a colossus is in battle, then you should start considering sniping them off.
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On November 03 2010 04:55 Sewi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 04:48 Oddysay wrote:
best move would be to hire many people who dont win money with starcraft , but play at the e-sport level , im sure these kind of players would create the best RTS balanced game ever , and anyway blizzard need more people that just 1 people for follow the honest pro gamer meta game.
what you guy honestly think ?
no you are not protoss or zerg or terran here !
what you think ? I think these people simply do not exist. People will always consider their race as the harest to play and most UP race, even if they win a lot. IMO, the real problem about balancing SC2 is that Blizz does not balance the game for pro level but also for bronze level and even 2vs2. EDIT: not replying to the Colossus part, think it isnt ment to be serious?!
Well if team games are ruined by speedling/reaper (thats why reaper got nerfed) at level where it's unbearable to play them and these guys have huge win ration I kinda understand why they would do it.
Yes Reaper got huge hit, but at least team games are now fun to play for someone who doesn't like 1v1.
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On November 03 2010 04:55 Sewi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 04:48 Oddysay wrote:
best move would be to hire many people who dont win money with starcraft , but play at the e-sport level , im sure these kind of players would create the best RTS balanced game ever , and anyway blizzard need more people that just 1 people for follow the honest pro gamer meta game.
what you guy honestly think ?
no you are not protoss or zerg or terran here !
what you think ? I think these people simply do not exist. People will always consider their race as the harest to play and most UP race, even if they win a lot. IMO, the real problem about balancing SC2 is that Blizz does not balance the game for pro level but also for bronze level and even 2vs2. EDIT: not replying to the Colossus part, think it isnt ment to be serious?!
yes the colossus part was only for show my exemple , from a terran view , but my exemple can be roach , marauder too .
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I am protoss, it's stupid to try to say you are not subjectiv.
Colossus are really really cost efficient vs bio. That, that's the noob points of view.
A better point of view :
- Gateway units are crap against M&M ( even without medivac )
- Colossus are the COUNTER to M&M ( if not what is the counter )
- Colossus don't do enought fast damage to maraudeur ( but marines yes ) to prevent the whole gateway ball to be crushed ( at egual suply )
- Colossus without anything to take damage is just crap.
Yes , colossus are strong. Yes that's a imbalanced matchup. No this is not in the favor of protoss.
Honestly , Best regards.
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You lost me at "every protoss builds colossus," since I build HT.
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Not sure if you're serious about this. But i'll bite.
I play T and go almost always go M&M in TvP. I think the colossus is fine.
Colossi are strong. As they should be. They cost 300/200, take 75 seconds to build, and you have to build a T3 tech structure JUST to build them. Why shouldn't they do terrible terrible damage? They are very fragile and USELESS without the range upgrade.
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On November 03 2010 05:03 FrostOtter wrote:
You lost me at "every protoss builds colossus," since I build HT.
i need to pick something for say what i wanted to say 
think the collossus become a evil roach or something more evil : a marauder .
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I couldn't even understand what the OP was saying. I thought topics had to be written in english?
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On November 03 2010 05:06 Oddysay wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 05:03 FrostOtter wrote:
You lost me at "every protoss builds colossus," since I build HT. i need to pick something for say what i wanted to say think the collossus become a evil roach or something more evil : a marauder .
I guess I understand what you are saying, but I just don't really see any imbalance. I think that there are maybe a few tweaks Blizzard could do at this point, but overall I'm feeling pretty comfortable with the game.
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Vs a good terran, you just can't skip the colossus in mid-game.
If you do enought domage to terran early game, you can tech to HT. but if you tech to colossus , your advantage is bigger.
If you don't do enought damage, you will take an heavy timing push before storm.
In both case, teching directly to HT and skipping colossus is pointless or a direct lose.
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Just overall a bad thread. Baseless conclusions with no objective analysis or even empirical data to back up a single claim.
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