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KeSPA-Gretech negotiations fail; Lawsuits next

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Selith
Profile Joined September 2010
United States238 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 13:07:43
October 27 2010 21:37 GMT
#1
KeSPA has denied the veracity of these stories, claiming negotiations are still in progress.
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Source: http://www.etnews.co.kr/news/detail.html?id=201010270134

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In 27th, Gretech, KeSPA, Progamer teams, and broadcasting stations came together for another round of IP rights negotiation, but it has come to an end without any solution. Due to both sides unable to compromise their opinions, it is expected that the lawsuits will come next.

Up till right before the negotiation, both sides successfully agreed on the cost and the division of Proleague and individual leagues. However, 'Involvement of KeSPA in negotiation when negotiating individual leagues' and 'Negotiation for all Blizzard games including StarCraft 1 and 2' had differing opinions that could not be resolved.

There was hope that if Proleague-related agreements were concluded successfully, it would lead to successful future individual league negotiations -- leading to the end of IP rights negotiation. But, due to the negotiation failing, as Blizzard revealed, a lawsuit is to be expected soon.

Blizzard and Gretech will show up together for this lawsuit, and the target of the suit is most likely to be MBCGame. Blizzard already stated they will do so, and they see that MBCGame is not being cooperative or active in the negotiation process.

In regards to IP rights lawsuits, most of the time, the court will accept cease and desist request right away. That can lead to canceling the leagues. But, this time, it involves the viewing rights of many viewers, so it remains to be seen how the courts will decide.

MBCGame Jo Jeong Hyun stated, "We will continue to try our best to negotiate and to create a good outcome, but if they want to bring on a lawsuit, then we must deal with it. They are saying our attitude is a problem, but MBCGame has always been active in the negotiation process and will continue to do so with open mind."

He also stated, "Lawsuits are, in the end, only end up bringing negative impact on both sides. We must be quick to find a middle ground to successfully end the negotiation."

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Edit: Here are some additional information from Yonhap's version.
Source: http://news.naver.com/main/hotissue/read.nhn?mid=hot&sid1=105&gid=321647&cid=303948&iid=328816&oid=001&aid=0004731591&ptype=011

I will give you a brief condensed note of the article:

Blizzard has sent MBCGame and OnGameNet a note requesting them to stop broadcasting. MBCGame refused to follow. So, MBCGame is being targeted for the lawsuit.

KeSPA countered by saying, any and all games that are being used for e-sports purposes are all public property, and cannot have their IP recognized by anyone. So, despite the threat of lawsuits, StarCraft leagues continue with blessings from KeSPA.

This is happening because e-sports is a new field where there is no precedent set in law, and the explanation of controversial IP rights differs from person to person.

The core of this controversy is the IP rights, and neighboring rights. The problem is that these two rights are likely to be given to two different entities.

Current law sees the broadcasting rights of copyrighted property to be part of the rights for the original IP holder. This means, if the developer of the game has the IP rights, then the right to broadcast also belongs to the developer.

A law professional commented, "Even if it is a large e-sports scene where a lot of people are involved, the right to broadcast is part of the IP rights, and it belongs to the IP rights holder. There is IP rights violation if broadcasting stations broadcast without negotiation with Blizzard, only because of negotiation with KeSPA."

But, the neighboring rights -- including the rights to performance -- is likely to be seen as a rights belonging to KeSPA. Although this rights to performance generally is about taking music, then performing it, it can be explained that it is a right acknowledged by spreading the news about the private intellectual property through performance.

This means, progamers that are part of KeSPA could have the neighboring rights acknowledged due to unifying a game into the e-sports culture.

An industry insider said, "This dispute can only produce more controversy even if it goes to the courts. It is important to leave a good precedent, as a leading nation of e-sports, through Blizzard and KeSPA coming to an agreement in the negotiation.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
October 27 2010 21:38 GMT
#2
let the games begin... D:

sigh negotiations are too hard
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Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
October 27 2010 21:45 GMT
#3
I don't really care who is right or wrong per sé, I just want pro BW to continue as it is:<
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
October 27 2010 21:45 GMT
#4
This kind of lawsuit could go on for ages. Is there any precedent in this area concerning IP rights in South Korea? I was under the impression that KeSPA was a branch or at least a part of the Korean Ministry of Culture. With Mike Morhaime's recent row with a deputy in the Ministry of Culture how will this affect the length of this case?
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
October 27 2010 21:47 GMT
#5
i'm rooting for broodwar.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
October 27 2010 21:49 GMT
#6
Thanks Selith for translating. I'm pretty curious what both sides have up their sleeves..

MBC fighting.
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1659 Posts
October 27 2010 21:50 GMT
#7
this is not looking good.
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snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-27 21:55:52
October 27 2010 21:54 GMT
#8
Targeting MBCGame -- the predators are trying to separate the weakest member of the herd from its fellows. It won't work.

KeSPA Fighting!
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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
October 27 2010 21:55 GMT
#9
I really don't know who to believe. What Gretech said they'ld accept and what Kespa said they offered seemed to be in line for a successful negotiation. The failure either means both sides weren't transparent (which is to be expected) or one side was lying.

=/

I hope the Injunction wont stick due to irreparable damages to Kespa/OGN/MBC, but meh.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
October 27 2010 21:56 GMT
#10
Following this is like watching a game of football when you can't see the ball.
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zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
October 27 2010 21:57 GMT
#11
OGN and Kespa will show up along side MBC and crush the greedy capitalists. For BW and its die hard fans!
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
October 27 2010 22:19 GMT
#12
Majority of e-sports fans in Korea don't support Kespa, but I'm sure they would support MBC. It will be interesting to see how opinions divide up there.
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
October 27 2010 22:21 GMT
#13
Darn, thought these negotiations wer heading in a positive direction. Does this mean that KeSPA is being sued by two entities now (gretech + blizzard) or will blizzard drop their suit because it is redundant?
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Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-27 22:24:56
October 27 2010 22:24 GMT
#14
This seems interesting but it really isn't, they will go to court then there will be a undisclosed settlement. BW will continue and you will not know what was given or paid up to keep it going.

BW goes on everyone is happy.
Brood War forever!
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
October 27 2010 22:28 GMT
#15
Fuck
Why can't blizz just leave bw alone
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slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
October 27 2010 22:43 GMT
#16
On October 28 2010 06:45 Ikonn wrote:
I don't really care who is right or wrong per sé, I just want pro BW to continue as it is:<

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LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
October 27 2010 23:07 GMT
#17
On October 28 2010 06:45 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
This kind of lawsuit could go on for ages. Is there any precedent in this area concerning IP rights in South Korea? I was under the impression that KeSPA was a branch or at least a part of the Korean Ministry of Culture. With Mike Morhaime's recent row with a deputy in the Ministry of Culture how will this affect the length of this case?

KeSPA's member corporations hold far more political influence so assuming that we're dealing with Korean courts, Blizzard and Gretech would have a disadvantage regardless of their arguments or the merit of their case. Disrespecting political figures doesn't really win you any points either...
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-27 23:12:13
October 27 2010 23:11 GMT
#18
Cease and desist order right away? I want my R2 of SPL. Or an end to R1 at least
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miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
October 27 2010 23:13 GMT
#19
Thanks for the translation. At the start, I would have bet any amount you'd care to name that it would never come to court. I still don't think it will, especially considering the tone of MBC, but Blizzard certainly isn't settling quietly.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
October 27 2010 23:19 GMT
#20
The disagreement was for broadcasting rights. Kespa wanted the ability to negotiate broadcasting with different networks, but gretech said that that is their job, not kespas.
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