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Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada426 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-20 03:55:08
July 19 2010 02:33 GMT
#1
Thanks to Martinni who made this page : http://sc2.vacau.com/sc2/

I was able to crunch all the stats below, which I hope you will appreciate and conclude, just as myself, that zergs are under-represented in the higher tier for a reason (or multiple reasons, whatever).


edit : this is the July 18 edition
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvtPWMS53wIgdHdQSWZDT095VGVwcEdja1MzakNSRVE&hl=fr&authkey=COTFj70B

and THIS IS SPARTA!!

also, here's the July 19 edition : https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvtPWMS53wIgdF9EYmtEYkhEa2JVbVJTcTd5a2pud3c&hl=fr&authkey=CNH00dEB

/edit

Sorry for using an external source, but I could not post a readable format on the forum


Note that server-specific analysis is coming very soon, it's just a few minutes of copy-pasting (for each server) ...


Here are a few facts based on this [JULY 18 VERSION - ASIA DATA WASN'T ACCURATE] :

TOP 20s


- Terran is dominating, with 24 spots out of 60
- Besides random, Zerg is the least represented race with 13 spots out of 60 (less than 25%)
- Win ratios between races vary greatly, the smallest spread being America (1,9% between P and Z, although there's only 3 Zers players) and the highest being Europe (with 9,5% between T and P)
- The 3 most successful server-specific races are (random excluded) : Europe Terrans, Asia Terrans and Asia Zergs (in that order)

TOP 50s


- Terran domination is not as great, claiming 58 spots out of 150
- Zerg is still about as much under represented with 31 spots out of 150 (about 20%)
- America is again the closest server regarding win ratios between races (with a spread of 1,5%) while Asia now has the highest spread (with 5,6% between P and Z).
- The 3 most successful server-specific races are (random excluded) : Asia Zergs, Europe Terrans, Asia Terrans and America Zergs (in that order)

ALL


- The average games played/player and win ratios are highest in America, then comes Europe and finally Asia. Based on these numbers, it seems the hardest to become Diamond in America.
taarna
Profile Joined June 2010
United States61 Posts
July 19 2010 02:44 GMT
#2
Where did you get these data?
Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
July 19 2010 02:45 GMT
#3
On July 19 2010 11:44 taarna wrote:
Where did you get these data?


Read the first line?
Nexic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States729 Posts
July 19 2010 02:45 GMT
#4
On July 19 2010 11:44 taarna wrote:
Where did you get these data?
there's a link in the OP
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada426 Posts
July 19 2010 02:48 GMT
#5
Data for US and Europe servers are up, doing Asia atm.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
July 19 2010 02:48 GMT
#6
wow pretty even win/loss ratio for all races for all the players. Not surprisingly however, Terran has the best win/loss ratio in most categories
blabberrrrr
Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
July 19 2010 02:49 GMT
#7
for the people who stills doesnt know UnknownArt(europe #1 atm), that's Madfrog, a former swedish wc3 progamer who had a pretty enjoyable style of play. He's back from retirement and i'm looking forward to see him perform in the tourneys at release !
twitter@RickyMarou
taarna
Profile Joined June 2010
United States61 Posts
July 19 2010 02:50 GMT
#8
On July 19 2010 11:45 Jimmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 11:44 taarna wrote:
Where did you get these data?


Read the first line?


*facepalm*

guess I didn't scroll quite enough there. Stopped after I found White-ra.
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada426 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 02:56:51
July 19 2010 02:56 GMT
#9
On July 19 2010 11:49 Marou wrote:
for the people who stills doesnt know UnknownArt(europe #1 atm), that's Madfrog, a former swedish wc3 progamer who had a pretty enjoyable style of play. He's back from retirement and i'm looking forward to see him perform in the tourneys at release !


glad to know! I played WC3 as UD and MaDFroG was by far the player I enjoyed the most watching, at least for the years he was active.


btw, Asia is up now and I'll update OP with a few pointers to look at (feel free to contribute!)
JaspluR
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia174 Posts
July 19 2010 03:35 GMT
#10
wow does http://sc2.vacau.com/sc2/ have ALL the leagues?
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
July 19 2010 03:42 GMT
#11
On July 19 2010 11:49 Marou wrote:
for the people who stills doesnt know UnknownArt(europe #1 atm), that's Madfrog, a former swedish wc3 progamer who had a pretty enjoyable style of play. He's back from retirement and i'm looking forward to see him perform in the tourneys at release !


I remember Madfrog, he was godly in WC3. Here's a fpvod of him playing wc3:


and a match between him and Grubby:
part 1:

part 2:

part 3:

9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
July 19 2010 03:43 GMT
#12
Ok I am glad these stats are out so people stop bitching about "terran isnt imbalanced, they are not dominating any tourneys!!!" Yeah well like I said ages ago, that will definitely change and this comes to 0 surprise to me and I really hope they find some way to balance it.....
https://twitter.com/quanticfograw
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
July 19 2010 03:48 GMT
#13
Wowzers, Terran domination in the US.

12 Terran, 5 Toss, 3 Zerg in the top 20?!

Terran also appears to be the most dominant in Asia now, and Zerg the least... so much for all those rumors about Asian Zergs.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
July 19 2010 03:49 GMT
#14
On July 19 2010 12:43 likeaboss wrote:
Ok I am glad these stats are out so people stop bitching about "terran isnt imbalanced, they are not dominating any tourneys!!!" Yeah well like I said ages ago, that will definitely change and this comes to 0 surprise to me and I really hope they find some way to balance it.....

agreed. People who say terran isn't imbalanced are probably terran players themselves who don't want the winning to stop ^_^
blabberrrrr
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
July 19 2010 03:55 GMT
#15
Holy shit the MaDFroG is back? He was the driving force behind Undead for many years and his style is amazing. Hopefully he'll stick to this game and succeed.
jiabung
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States720 Posts
July 19 2010 03:56 GMT
#16
On July 19 2010 11:33 Tamerlane wrote:
- The average games played/player and win ratios are highest in America, then comes Europe and finally Asia. Based on these numbers, it seems the hardest to become Diamond in America.

I think you can't really make any judgments based on that. Another conclusion is that Asia is the hardest server to get diamond as the competition there is much closer (lowest win ratios).
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 04:03:53
July 19 2010 03:57 GMT
#17
The chart needs a bit of filtering,at least for Asia. The #3 player on the Asia list is in gold, and the #4 is in bronze.
Lark
Profile Joined December 2009
United States24 Posts
July 19 2010 04:05 GMT
#18
On July 19 2010 12:49 blabber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 12:43 likeaboss wrote:
Ok I am glad these stats are out so people stop bitching about "terran isnt imbalanced, they are not dominating any tourneys!!!" Yeah well like I said ages ago, that will definitely change and this comes to 0 surprise to me and I really hope they find some way to balance it.....

agreed. People who say terran isn't imbalanced are probably terran players themselves who don't want the winning to stop ^_^


There really isn't enough data from this to support that terran is imbalanced- it's all about confirmation bias, and looking at whatever data you want to look at to support your conclusions which you've previously made. If we look at the top 20 we find:

- Terran: 24 spots out of 60
- Zerg: 13 spots out of 60
- Protoss/Random: 23 spots out of 60 (Probably around 18 P / 5 R? Just a guess)

Given that we don't know how many people are playing each race, it's impossible to tell if it's balanced or not. I.e. if zergs only make up 30% of the population, then they're balanced, and if terran users are slightly more prevalent than protoss, then the increased number of terrans would be justified. Given that we have an extraordinarily tiny sample size, it's fairly impossible to tell anything just from the top 60 (and the top 150, where terrans fall slightly in representation, give a better representation).

Note that I'm not saying terran isn't overpowered for sure, I'm saying it may or may not be, but it's impossible to tell just by this data. Also I play terran so I might be biased just a bit...
shlomo
Profile Joined May 2010
258 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 09:02:01
July 19 2010 04:06 GMT
#19
On July 19 2010 12:48 FabledIntegral wrote:
Wowzers, Terran domination in the US.

12 Terran, 5 Toss, 3 Zerg in the top 20?!

Terran also appears to be the most dominant in Asia now, and Zerg the least... so much for all those rumors about Asian Zergs.


Nonsense, it's just because there are that many more Terran players that are that much more talented.. OBVIOUSLY!

-_-
+ Show Spoiler [Day 9 King of the Beta] +

First 2 matches of Day9 King of the Beta = both T winners..
/snore


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leviathan20
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom193 Posts
July 19 2010 04:06 GMT
#20
On July 19 2010 11:49 Marou wrote:
for the people who stills doesnt know UnknownArt(europe #1 atm), that's Madfrog, a former swedish wc3 progamer who had a pretty enjoyable style of play. He's back from retirement and i'm looking forward to see him perform in the tourneys at release !


Oh crap really!? That's awesome.

Madfrog was so one of my favourite WC3 players :D

Really looking forwards to seeing more of him in SC2 then, I hadn't heard/seen anything from him at all so far.
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