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Empyrean
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Last Edited: 2010-05-31 06:12:38
May 31 2010 06:10 GMT
#1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37423584/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

HAIFA, Israel - Israeli Navy commandos attacked at least one of the six ships carrying pro-Palestinian activists and aid for blockaded Gaza, killing at least 10 and wounding several dozen on board, according to an Israeli TV network and a lawyer for the activists' group.

Channel 10 said the final death toll could be higher as Navy commandos who boarded the convoy were still conducting searches and encountering often violent resistance from pro-Palestinian activists.

Responding to accusations that Israeli commandos assaulted the ships guns blazing, Israel's Army Radio later said that passengers had tried to grab weapons away from soldiers boarding the flotilla.

The al-Jazeera satellite channel reported by telephone from the Turkish ship leading the flotilla that Israeli Navy forces fired at the ship and boarded it, wounding the captain.

The Turkish NTV network also reported an Israeli takeover with gunfire, and that at least 30 activists were wounded.

The al-Jazeera broadcast ended with a voice shouting in Hebrew, "Everybody shut up!"

The reports came just after daybreak, with the flotilla still well away from the Gaza shore. Israel had declared it would not allow the ships to reach Gaza.

In Istanbul, Turkey, police blocked dozens of stone-throwing protesters who tried to storm the Israeli Consulate.

...

The flotilla was "fully prepared for the different scenarios" that might arise, and organizers were hopeful that Israeli authorities would "do what's right" and not stop the convoy, she said.

"We fully intend to go to Gaza regardless of any intimidation or threats of violence against us," she said. "They are going to have to forcefully stop us."

After nightfall Sunday, three Israeli navy missile boats left their base in Haifa, steaming out to sea to confront the activists' ships.

Two hours later, Israel Radio broadcast a recording of one of the missile boats warning the flotilla not to approach Gaza.

"If you ignore this order and enter the blockaded area, the Israeli navy will be forced to take all the necessary measures in order to enforce this blockade," the radio message continued.

...

The flotilla, which includes three cargo ships and three passenger ships, is trying to draw attention to Israel's three-year blockade of the Gaza Strip. The boats are carrying items that Israel bars from reaching Gaza, like cement and other building materials. The activists said they also were carrying hundreds of electric-powered wheelchairs, prefabricated homes and water purifiers.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said that after a security check, permitted humanitarian aid confiscated from the boats will be transferred to Gaza through authorized channels. However, Israel would not transfer items it has banned from Gaza under its blockade rules. Palmor said that for example, cement would be allowed only if it is tied to a specific project.

This is the ninth time that the Free Gaza movement has tried to ship in humanitarian aid to Gaza since August 2008.

Israel has let ships through five times, but has blocked them from entering Gaza waters since a three-week military offensive against Gaza's Hamas rulers in January 2009. The flotilla bound for Gaza is the largest to date.

Some 700 pro-Palestinian activists are on the boats, including 1976 Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mairead Corrigan Maguire of Northern Ireland, European legislators and an elderly Holocaust survivor.

...

Israel says the measures are needed to prevent Hamas, which has fired thousands of rockets at Israel, from building up its arsenal. But U.N. officials and international aid groups say the blockade has been counterproductive, failing to weaken the Islamic militant group while devastating the local economy.

In particular, the ban on building materials has prevented Gazans from repairing thousands of homes that were damaged or destroyed in an Israeli military offensive, meant to stop Hamas rocket attacks, early last year.

Israel rejects claims of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, saying it allows more than enough food and medicine into the territory. The Israelis also point to the bustling smuggling industry along Gaza's southern border with Egypt, which has managed to bring consumer goods, gasoline and livestock into the seaside strip.

...

Israel has condemned the flotilla as a provocation and vowed to block it from reaching Gaza.

Israeli military officials said they hope to resolve the situation peacefully but are prepared for all scenarios. Naval commandos have been training for days in anticipation of the standoff. Military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity under official guidelines, said the forces would likely take over the boats under the cover of darkness.

Palmor said foreigners on the ships would be "sent back to their countries." Activists who did not willingly agree to be deported would be detained. A special detention facility has been set up in the southern Israeli city of Ashdod.

At Gaza's tiny port, meant for small fishing boats, Hamas officials, activists and foreign nationals prepared to welcome the flotilla, sitting in some 40 small boats that were bobbing in the sea and decorated with the flags of the countries of the pro-Palestinian activists, including Turkey and Algeria.

In other boats, Gaza boy scouts played music, while on shore, other activists released balloons with the faces of Palestinian civilians and militants killed in battles with Israeli forces.

In Syria, eight Damascus-based Palestinian groups urged Arab and Muslim states to work to support the flotilla and warned Israel against committing any "foolishness to impede the vessels"

"This could create more tension and trigger unpredictable reactions," said the groups, which included Hamas and the militant Islamic Jihad.


It's trending on reddit as well, with general outrage at Israel's actions.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/c9rvt/breaking_israel_attacks_aid_flotilla_in/

I think this is absolutely horrible timing for Israel; Israeli diplomatic agents were recently expelled from Australia for using forged Australian passports for Mossad activities. This news is being widely reported on networks such as al-Jazeera, but hasn't even cracked cnn and foxnews' frontpage.

I'm also pretty outraged that they had the audacity to attack such a flotilla. Granted, I can kind of see where they're coming from (if they don't make a stand, what's to say other ships won't bring in weapons or whatever?), but couldn't there have been a more err...non-violent way of addressing the issue? Anyone's thoughts? I know it's a pretty controversial issue, so please stay civilized.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
May 31 2010 06:11 GMT
#2
never liked isreal... that country would be nothing if America doesn't back it up.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-31 06:24:47
May 31 2010 06:13 GMT
#3
Are we going to compare Israel with North Korea?


Both with huge army? Yes
Both with nukes? Yes
Both like to sink ships? Yes
Both with great power behind their back? Yes
:]
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
May 31 2010 06:17 GMT
#4
It makes sence to sink a ship breaking the blockade if youve previously said you will sink ships that break the blocade. Not doing it is like saying they dont care if people comply with their orders or not. These guys should be glad isreal only decided to sink one and not all of the six ships.
4649!!
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
May 31 2010 06:17 GMT
#5
On May 31 2010 15:13 illu wrote:
Are we going to compare Israel with North Korea?


Both with huge army? Yes
Both with nukes? Yes
Both like to sink ships? Yes
Both with great power behind their back? Yes

But Israel is on the Good side and North Korea is part of the axis of evil.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17070 Posts
May 31 2010 06:18 GMT
#6
On May 31 2010 15:13 illu wrote:
Are we going to compare Israel with North Korea?


Both with huge army? Yes
Both with nukes? Yes
Both like to sink ships? Yes
Both with great power behind their back? Yes


Actually, China would rather not line up with North Korean ambitions as much as people may like to believe; China wants to portray itself as a rising power through peaceful, logical means. Besides, an unstable Korean peninsula harms Chinese affairs - bilateral trade between China and South Korean is in the hundreds of billions, and anything that could hurt that trade for little/no payoff (such as blindly backing North Korea) just wouldn't make sense.
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EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
May 31 2010 06:18 GMT
#7
Here's what I believe happened:

Aid ships: "Let's go to Gaza."
Israel: "Gaza is blockaded. Please deliver aid to Ashdod port and it will be searched and transferred."
Aid ships: "We are going to go straight to Gaza until we are disabled or boarded."
Israel: "We will be ready to stop you, then."
Aid ships: "Ehh, lets enter Israeli waters in the daytime. We'll wait here for the night."
Israel: "You may be in international waters but we'll stop you before you have your cameras ready."

Israel: "Surrender your ship!"
Martyr: "We're in international waters; this is piracy; die!"
Israel: "We're being attacked! Open fire!"
Aid ships: "Jesus fucking Christ!"

And here we are today.
But why?
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32280 Posts
May 31 2010 06:19 GMT
#8
On May 31 2010 15:17 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 15:13 illu wrote:
Are we going to compare Israel with North Korea?


Both with huge army? Yes
Both with nukes? Yes
Both like to sink ships? Yes
Both with great power behind their back? Yes

But Israel is on the Good side and North Korea is part of the axis of evil.


lol
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 31 2010 06:22 GMT
#9
God dammit. US just needs to realize that Israel is a failed experiment, and that actually dealing with and supporting arab countries might be the answer. At least Israel is the Brits fault in the first place.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
May 31 2010 06:23 GMT
#10
On May 31 2010 15:18 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 15:13 illu wrote:
Are we going to compare Israel with North Korea?


Both with huge army? Yes
Both with nukes? Yes
Both like to sink ships? Yes
Both with great power behind their back? Yes


Actually, China would rather not line up with North Korean ambitions as much as people may like to believe; China wants to portray itself as a rising power through peaceful, logical means. Besides, an unstable Korean peninsula harms Chinese affairs - bilateral trade between China and South Korean is in the hundreds of billions, and anything that could hurt that trade for little/no payoff (such as blindly backing North Korea) just wouldn't make sense.


You are absolutely right and I agree with you. I guess I was trying to be..... "amusing", if you will.
:]
Narwhal
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom314 Posts
May 31 2010 06:23 GMT
#11
AS far as im concered this ins't a place for gaza news

User was temp banned for this post.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17070 Posts
May 31 2010 06:24 GMT
#12
On May 31 2010 15:23 Narwhal wrote:
AS far as im concered this ins't a place for gaza news


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85024

Don't read the general forum if you're not going to contribute anything meaningful.
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ClanOverdosed
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
691 Posts
May 31 2010 06:26 GMT
#13
Here we go...
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Flames
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States105 Posts
May 31 2010 06:26 GMT
#14
I don't necessarily agree with Israel's actions but I wonder why the flotilla didn't submit themselves to a check by Israeli authorities in Ashdod. Israel gets attacked again and again from almost all sides, they have a right to defend themselves. It's not like they aren't letting supplies get in. While I agree that Israel has the right to search the ships, I think the force was unnecessary.
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
May 31 2010 06:26 GMT
#15
On May 31 2010 15:18 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Here's what I believe happened:

Aid ships: "Let's go to Gaza."
Israel: "Gaza is blockaded. Please deliver aid to Ashdod port and it will be searched and transferred."
Aid ships: "We are going to go straight to Gaza until we are disabled or boarded."
Israel: "We will be ready to stop you, then."
Aid ships: "Ehh, lets enter Israeli waters in the daytime. We'll wait here for the night."
Israel: "You maThy be in international waters but we'll stop you before you have your cameras ready."

Israel: "Surrender your ship!"
Martyr: "We're in international waters; this is piracy; die!"
Israel: "We're being attacked! Open fire!"
Aid ships: "Jesus fucking Christ!"

And here we are today.

Thats exactly how I understand the sitation aswell. To some people however it would seem its alright to even kill - as long as its done under the name of ´"aid organisation".
4649!!
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
May 31 2010 06:30 GMT
#16
On May 31 2010 15:18 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Here's what I believe happened:

Aid ships: "Let's go to Gaza."
Israel: "Gaza is blockaded. Please deliver aid to Ashdod port and it will be searched and transferred."
Aid ships: "We are going to go straight to Gaza until we are disabled or boarded."
Israel: "We will be ready to stop you, then."
Aid ships: "Ehh, lets enter Israeli waters in the daytime. We'll wait here for the night."
Israel: "You may be in international waters but we'll stop you before you have your cameras ready."

Israel: "Surrender your ship!"
Martyr: "We're in international waters; this is piracy; die!"
Israel: "We're being attacked! Open fire!"
Aid ships: "Jesus fucking Christ!"

And here we are today.


Yeah, this seems like the more logical explanation to all of this to be honest.

Is it really surprising that Israel fired on the ships after issuing their statement? Even in the interview the guy said "we will not be intimidated and need to be stopped by force"

Well guess what, you were stopped by force!
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17070 Posts
May 31 2010 06:35 GMT
#17
Exactly. I think Israel exacted perfectly in accordance with what they should have done, but the major drama is that people don't know whether or not they fired upon ships in international waters.
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EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
May 31 2010 06:48 GMT
#18
I believe the Israeli response was disproportionate.

My guess as to Israeli policy was:

Non-resistance will be met by non-violence. Non-lethal resistance ill be met by non-lethality. Lethal resistance will be met by lethality.

My guess as to aid ship policy was:

We will use non-lethal resistance, the Israelis will have to beat us up with night-sticks or tear gas us, and they will look shitty on the international stage.

Then, some fuckwit pulled a knife, Israel switched into stage three, and everything went to shit. Now, ideally, if Israeli had had a little foresight, because I'm pretty sure they didn't expect somebody to pull a knife, they would have added: Individualized resistance, even potentially lethal, not involving firearms, of minimal quantities will be met by non-lethality.

But they didn't.

Now get the popcorn and see what Turkey does.
But why?
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
May 31 2010 06:50 GMT
#19
The sad thing is I'm pretty sure the Israeli Army actually has their people believing every aid convoy is really a secret plot to try to arm the Palestinian resistance. Ugh. -.-
Oh, my eSports
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
May 31 2010 06:58 GMT
#20
On May 31 2010 15:48 EmeraldSparks wrote:
I believe the Israeli response was disproportionate.

My guess as to Israeli policy was:

Non-resistance will be met by non-violence. Non-lethal resistance ill be met by non-lethality. Lethal resistance will be met by lethality.



I agree with that. That ship looks perfectly harmless and it's certainly not a battleship.

However, all of the suicide bombers look 'harmless' too. They either go by themselves, or drive a car (which is not a conventional weapon).
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