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On May 31 2010 16:25 Gnaix wrote: When did the Jews get so fucking violent? Oh wait, that's because we gave them weapons and they started pwning all of the middle east...
Tarantino was onto something.
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On May 31 2010 16:32 scion wrote: People saying Israel has right to defend itself needs to get some information on the area. They get attacked precisely because of behaviors like this. They literally assume every Palestinians are potential threat. Israeli military drive Palestinians from their home, blockade them from Israel (literally walling them off) and segregate entire Palestinians living in Israel. Most Americans are oblivious to these things because American media avoid any negative news from Israel, and focuses on how Hamas and other Palestinian extremist groups attack Israel from all sides.
What Israelis are doing to the Palestinian population is fueling the extremist groups. Wouldn't you be angry if one day, army tank shows up and demolish your neighborhood and told you to leave the area because you are not authorized to live there?
This is almost positively another example of overreaction from Israel. I really hope the International community grows a pair to criticize and punish their action if it turns out to be the case. While most of what you say is true, the Israeli commandos followed proper RoE and it's not really surprising. The occupation of Gaza is horrible, but the guys got attacked when they tried to board the vessels, so they followed protocol and defended themselves. It's that simple.
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What obligation is Israel under to allow the free movement of foreign nationals into its country? Especially if said foreign nationals support and are under the rule of a group that proclaims in its founding charter to the destruction of Israel? A blockade against an entity that is de facto at war is perfectly legitimate.
While Israeli policy in the West Bank is up to debate, in the Gaza Strip it is perfectly legitimate. Israel gave the strip back to the Palestinians. Hamas (which has always had a platform of wiping out Israel) got elected into power and uses the area to launch rocket attacks against Israel. Israel blockades the Gaza Strip and conducts air strikes against the people launching rockets in response.
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On May 31 2010 16:08 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 15:19 IntoTheWow wrote:On May 31 2010 15:17 T.O.P. wrote:On May 31 2010 15:13 illu wrote: Are we going to compare Israel with North Korea?
Both with huge army? Yes Both with nukes? Yes Both like to sink ships? Yes Both with great power behind their back? Yes But Israel is on the Good side and North Korea is part of the axis of evil. lol I wonder why you lol'ed...
Do some research on Mossad's activities and their agenda. They are believed by many to have orchestrated 9/11, as well as various other attacks on the US whilst posing as Palestinians. Basically Israel used the US to cripple Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran is inevitably next.
"Good guys" don't exist anymore in today's world.
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On May 31 2010 16:30 General Nuke Em wrote: The activists were not carrying guns, but television footage shown by al-Jazeera and Turkish television channels show hand-to-hand fighting, with activists wearing life-jackets striking commandoes with sticks...The Israeli army said its troops were assaulted with axes and knives.
LMAO those were Somali pirates who somehow got lost in the seas. Seriously, stone age people started attacking the battlecruiser with knives and sticks.
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On May 31 2010 16:28 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 16:27 General Nuke Em wrote: They attacked Israeli commandos with axes and knives. What did they think was going to happen? Source? With shit like this source of w.e happen is all muddied up, ofc the Pro-Palestine people will be disregarded for being bias, and the commando will be disregarded for being bias.
Either way I see it as
They tried to break the blockade, got boarded as expected shit storm broke loose as expected and now each side is crying fowl.
And now we get to see the usual middle east, who started shit first game in which no one wins.
"Men of sense often learn from their enemies. It is from their foes, not their friends, that cities learn the lesson of building high walls and ships of war." -Aristophanes
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Many also believe the earth is flat.
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On May 31 2010 16:36 san-tokie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 16:08 ilbh wrote:On May 31 2010 15:19 IntoTheWow wrote:On May 31 2010 15:17 T.O.P. wrote:On May 31 2010 15:13 illu wrote: Are we going to compare Israel with North Korea?
Both with huge army? Yes Both with nukes? Yes Both like to sink ships? Yes Both with great power behind their back? Yes But Israel is on the Good side and North Korea is part of the axis of evil. lol I wonder why you lol'ed... Do some research on Mossad's activities and their agenda. They are believed by many to have orchestrated 9/11, as well as various other attacks on the US whilst posing as Palestinians. Basically Israel used the US to cripple Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran is inevitably next. "Good guys" don't exist anymore in today's world.
This is just incendiary. I highly doubt the validity of any sources you could come up with.
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Oh come on guys, this is going to boil down to the debate over whether the jews deserve israel or the palestinians, and it's going to go nowhere. This is an interesting update, so let's just leave it at that.
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On May 31 2010 16:35 Jibba wrote:
While most of what you say is true, the Israeli commandos followed proper RoE and it's not really surprising. The occupation of Gaza is horrible, but the guys got attacked when they tried to board the vessels, so they followed protocol and defended themselves. It's that simple.
Well if it happened over international waters as some news sources were saying, it would've been illegal for Israelis to board the vessel in the first place.
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Time to pull aid from Israel!
Please? This is just ridiculous.
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On May 31 2010 16:41 scion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 16:35 Jibba wrote:
While most of what you say is true, the Israeli commandos followed proper RoE and it's not really surprising. The occupation of Gaza is horrible, but the guys got attacked when they tried to board the vessels, so they followed protocol and defended themselves. It's that simple. Well if it happened over international waters as some news sources were saying, it would've been illegal for Israelis to board the vessel in the first place. That's true, but it doesn't change the soldiers reaction. They decision to board comes into question.
Anyways, I'm done with this thread. I don't have the energy to correct people's ignorance.
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On May 31 2010 16:43 Mystlord wrote: Time to pull aid from Israel!
US will never do that unless Baracks heritage really comes through. Jews will always support Jews, this isn't shocking in any way.
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It's all about occupation. Israel wants to cripple Palestine and keep them isolated from the outside world. I'm sure this is the Jewish faith at it's finest. Seriously, why the fuck would you not allow another country to get 14 ton worth of supplies, which in itself is a piss in the sea compared to what they actually need in humanitarian aid. Ten are confirmed dead. Killed on international water. + Show Spoiler [offensive language] +Seriously, go fuck yourself Israel. And anyone who supports this bullshit.
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Israel is just protecting its security. It would be like unmarked planes flying in aid after 9/11...
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On May 31 2010 16:57 Destro wrote: Israel is just protecting its security. It would be like unmarked planes flying in aid after 9/11...
People forget history in that region, the simple things like the area around Israel tried to burn it to the ground(6 day war), lost and still wants to burn it to the ground. Ofc that just boils down into the blame game again of who did what first.
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I feel like the international water thing is overblown. These were ships that were going to be entering Israeli water in a few hours, by their own admission, and I hardly think it makes a significant "moral" difference (letter of the law aside) that they were boarded the night before they were going to enter rather than the morning of.
On May 31 2010 16:50 Emon_ wrote: It's all about occupation. Israel wants to cripple Palestine and keep them isolated from the outside world. I'm sure this is the Jewish faith at it's finest. Seriously, why the fuck would you not allow another country to get 14 ton worth of supplies, which in itself is a piss in the sea compared to what they actually need in humanitarian aid. Ten are confirmed dead. Killed on international water. Israel offered to have the aid transported to Gaza if the ships would drop the supplies off at Ashdod to be searched; they declined. But you are correct; it is all about keeping up the Israeli blockade, because a blockade that can be flouted at will loses all potency.
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On May 31 2010 16:59 The6357 wrote: WWIII in 2010....
lol alarmist much? this shit has been going on for 6 decades now. unless a nuke drops on jerusalem its going to be the same old garbage for another 6 decades.
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On May 31 2010 15:50 QibingZero wrote: The sad thing is I'm pretty sure the Israeli Army actually has their people believing every aid convoy is really a secret plot to try to arm the Palestinian resistance. Ugh. -.-
Wonder what in the past would cause that sort of paranoia. Jeez those palestinians are pretty smart to make all those rockets out of nothing neh?
Edit: all Said... Israeli lobby owns congress. It's going to take some time for American Jews to push back against the lobby and even that will only do some good. The evangelicals see Israel as the place for the holy battle...
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