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Trainer/Trainee thread - Now with less bickering

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willeesmalls
Profile Joined March 2010
United States477 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-19 22:33:02
May 12 2010 07:05 GMT
#1
Please read below before you reply.

If you'd like to find a trainer/trainee, fill out the below:

ID: BULLDOZERRR.hooha
Looking for: Trainee
Server: USA
Status: Currently unoccupied
League/points/record: Platinum/1650/54-37
Contact: Mic and webcam, can use vent and skype.
Matchups: pvt, zvp, tvz.
Other: Any other credentials, information, etc.

Discuss financial matters over PM's. Update your status if you do not want more PM's.

In the current condition, there is little incentive for coaches to actively find trainees. If you want coaching, take some initiative. I will try to address this problem in an improved thread.

Important
Hot Bid closed the last thread due to people bickering. Arguments were centered around uninformed Trainee's being taken advantage of. I have compiled a list of safeguards for beginners. Included are the things I agree with. If you have any serious disagreements or would like to add, please PM me before you respond.

Beginner Trainer's guide
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Just my two cents on the training issue: I don't really think people should be paying for lessons at this point in the beta. Wait until the game has established itself for a bit, first. The only real benefit of "gosu" training sessions, IMO, is that you get to make connections with the top players, and thus have better practice partners who might be willing to discuss strategies and practice timings.-Saracen.

Good mechanics is what makes the difference between being copper and being platinum. Of course build orders and strategies play an important role, but if you have solid mechanics you can easily stay at the platinum level regardless of how much they tweak the units. So teaching a copper player how to macro/micro/scout properly and whatnot and giving them the general unit counters can easily bring them up to gold or platinum.
- Kantutan

Being a good player is often correlated with being a good coach. However, there are also players with experience in teaching (Gosucoaching). People with experience teaching will probably be much better than those without. Remember those with reputations have more at stake than those without. - paraphrased Louder

There are many free resources to learn how to play. If you spend a lot of time practicing, watching replays, reading threads, discussing strategy, most likely you will eventually understand how to play this game.

Here are a list of resources I have compiled:
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Newest pro replays
http://www.sc2win.com
http://www.gosugamers.net

-Use TL to your full advantage: livestreams, Strategy discussion, Tournaments, practice partner thread



Problems and solutions for thread
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Communication in this thread is not working as well as I'd hoped. I've only gotten 4 PM's and I have the benefit of having my information in the OP.

Why is the Practice partner thread working out so well and this thread isn't? It's clear there are a lot people who'd like to find coaching and a lot of people who'd be willing to coach given some sort of compensation. We saw the latter from the response to iNcontrol's training camp thread.

Why I think it's not working
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It doesn't make very much sense why a coach would actively look for someone to coach, given that there is no listed compensation. Likely everyone assumes that nobody is willing to pay anything.

Beginners likely expect that coaches will demand an exorbitant fee. All of the recent argument about how "nobody should pay for help with a video game" probably didn't help.

The result is that nobody talks to each other when in fact there are probably many coaches willing to help for little to no compensation and many beginners who desperately want help.

The fact that the thread usually isn't at the top of the forum page makes it harder for people to find the information.


My proposed solution -copied from my most recent post
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I'm trying to create a system where anyone who wants coaching (whether or not they are willing to pay) can find the person who is able and willing to coach, given that this coach exists on TL.

I'd like to create a new (better organized) thread, with only coaches posting their information. They will post their fee, which will be a proxy for their opportunity cost. Being able to compare their fees with other coaches will ensure that the fees are a good proxy.

Beginners looking for help will be able to search the thread for a coach they like.
Gamer0ne
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria51 Posts
May 12 2010 07:10 GMT
#2
ID: Just.silver
Looking for: Trainer
Server: Eu
Status: Currently unoccupied
League/points/record: Silver 1441 40-32
Contact: skype & email
Matchups: pvt, tvz.
Other: None
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
May 12 2010 07:14 GMT
#3
ID: andi.andi
Looking for: Trainee
Server: USA
Status: Currently unoccupied
League/points/record: Platinum/1539/88-74
Contact: msn, email, sc2
Matchups: pvt, pvz
Other: I am fucking gosu /sarcasm
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
Kantutan
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1319 Posts
May 12 2010 07:30 GMT
#4
ID: Bacon.bacon
Looking for: Trainer who wants an assistant
Server: US
Status: Currently unoccupied
League/points/record: Gold/1250/20-8 (had to work up from copper, am platinum level)
Contact: MSN, SC2
Matchups: any
Other: Basically just offering to be a substitute for the AI. If you want to show your trainee a specific strategy against something they can spectate while you abuse me as the opponent and explain what you're doing, or you can let them try something on me while you give them tips as a ref. I figure it'd make things easier.
dexterity
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-12 07:59:36
May 12 2010 07:31 GMT
#5
ID: jokar.jokar
Looking for: Trainer
Server: USA
Status: Currently unoccupied
League/points/record: Copper/1400 /65 - 75
Contact: MSN, Email, Vent, SC2
Matchups: TvX

Other:
Just looking for a chill person willing to help me out in there spare time , not looking to pay for this, just looking for someone who wants to try and help another improve there game for the sake of it!
I play Terran.
When life gives you lemons, you paint that shit gold.
willeesmalls
Profile Joined March 2010
United States477 Posts
May 13 2010 00:20 GMT
#6
Bump for the afternoon crowd. Hopefully we can get enough attention to get this thread stickied.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
May 13 2010 00:51 GMT
#7
if you're a trainee OR trainer, make sure to throw out 1 or 2 sentences about yourself so people don't pick someone they're not going to get along with.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Rictusjames
Profile Joined April 2010
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 00:52:08
May 13 2010 00:51 GMT
#8
ID: Rictus.rictus
Looking for: Trainer
Server: USA
Status: Currently unoccupied
League/points/record: Silver/1139/7-3
Contact: Email, Vent, Skype, SC2
Matchups: ZvX
Other: I won't be available this weekend (May 14-16)
Never. I will never be consistent. I will be consistent when I feel like it.
baeracaed
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States604 Posts
May 13 2010 03:04 GMT
#9
ID: cadd.cadd
Looking for: Trainer
Server: USA
Status: Currently unoccupied, Student
League/points/record: Gold / 1263 / 68-54
Contact: Vent, Email, SC2, can set up anything else.
Matchups: ZvT, ZvP, ZvZ (Zerg vs any)

Other: I sink a lot of time into PC gaming. The only thing is, I've always been an FPS player. I played SC when it came out, but it's been so many years. I was pretty young then, so I don't really remember playing. I always followed the SC pro scene from a distance even though I really only played FPS games. I just love e-sports in general. I'm a graphics guy and always willing to help out with things relating to that.
(☞゚ヮ゚)☞ Cookies! ☜(゚ヮ゚☜)
Onea
Profile Joined April 2010
United States35 Posts
May 13 2010 03:09 GMT
#10
ID: Onea.dll (those are L's)
Looking for: Trainer
Server: USA
Status: highschool?
League/points/record: Platinum/1490/49-35
Contact: Mic and webcam, can use vent and skype.
Matchups: zvz,zvt,zvp.
Other: Very enthusiastic about the game. Take the game seriously and would very much appreciate a good trainer.
Born to fast expand...
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
May 13 2010 03:29 GMT
#11
ID: Saracen.teamliquid
Looking for: Trainer
Server: USA
Status: Looking for a good Z Trainer
League/points/record: Platinum/1805/49-22
Contact: Mic and webcam, can use vent and skype and MSN.
Matchups: ZvZ, ZvT, ZvP
Other: Would like a trainer (2000+) to discuss/provide advice on various strategies, builds, and timings. Preferably a Zerg who is willing to discuss Zerg strategy in-depth.
Kriden.inc
Profile Joined April 2010
Belgium9 Posts
May 13 2010 03:39 GMT
#12
ID: Kriden.inc
Looking For: Trainer
Server: EU
Status: Currently unoccupied
League/Points/Record: Silver/1400/85-85
Contact: MSN, Skype. I have a microphone and have Skype, Ventrilo & Teamspeak installed.
Matchups: TvT, TvZ, TvP
Other:
I'm new to the starcraft scene and enjoy the game very much so far. Would like a person that would be so kind as to give me some pointers to help me improve my game.
I'm on most weekdays. I'm a relaxed person that can take/make a joke.
ouch.
zLnoEk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States95 Posts
May 13 2010 03:53 GMT
#13
ID: zLnoEk.kinny
Looking for: Trainer
Server: USA
Status: College
League/points/record: Platinum/1050/6-2
Contact: MSN, Vent/TeamSpeak
Matchups: ZvX
Other: Available to play very often
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
May 13 2010 04:00 GMT
#14
ID: battle.net
Looking for: Trainers and Trainees
Server: USA/EU/ASIA
Status: 24/7 except on patch days
League/Points/Record: Copper through Platinum and all points in between
Contact: SC2.exe
Matchups: Any of the the 9
Other: Free training provided upon login for as long as you need
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
Naer
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1 Post
May 13 2010 04:13 GMT
#15
ID: Naer.Naer
Looking for: Trainer
Server: USA
Status: Highschool Senior, 12 days til its done. free anytime after 3:30PM central.
League/Points/Record: Gold/somewhere around 1500 probly/somewhere close to 25-25
Contact: MSN/Xfire/Vent/TS/SC2/Skype...
Matchups: PvZ, PvT, PvP
Other: Pretty familiar with protoss builds, I just lack the small details and proper help to get better.
Gorbitron
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1 Post
May 13 2010 04:16 GMT
#16
ID: gorbitron.alpha
Looking for: Trainer
Server: USA
Status: Currently unoccupied
League/points/record: Copper/45
Contact: aim = jimbosaimname
Matchups: TvT, TvP, TvZ, PvP, PvT, PvZ
Other: Usually play late night (east coast)
willeesmalls
Profile Joined March 2010
United States477 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-13 05:15:33
May 13 2010 04:20 GMT
#17
Use the status to control how many/little PM's you get. It's not for telling us what your education level is lol.

I'm curious of how many people are communicating - Does non disclosure of price lead trainees to expect an exorbitant price? Does it lead all trainers into believing all trainees are unwilling to pay anything? Will people start flaming if fees are listed? or will they just post their own info and a lower fee? The latter is what I'm after, and will probably pressure prices to 0, with only the best and most well known trainers being able to charge anything.

The whole point of the fees were to induce trainers into being more willing to spend time with noobies they don't know.

edit: Hots you make me very sad
HotS
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden46 Posts
May 13 2010 04:45 GMT
#18
ID: HotS.bettan
Looking for: Trainer
Server: EU
Status: Highschool
League/points/record: Platinum/1500/ 100/100
Contact: Skype
Matchups: tvt tvp tvz
crypt1c
Profile Joined May 2010
United States13 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-14 01:53:43
May 13 2010 23:49 GMT
#19
ID: Crypt1c.slaughter
Looking for: Trainer
Server: USA
Status: Work full time
League/points/record: Copper/1256/13-12
Contact: Vent, Skype, IRC (QLtv|nKane in gamesurge/quakenet)
Matchups: Any
Other: I am new the RTS world but I really enjoy playing and watching SC2. I make it a habit of taking notes of my all my matches. My short term goal is to become a better player and learn the basics.

Thanks!

I play by the 3Ds.
Desire.Discipline.Dedication.
VelRa_G
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada304 Posts
May 14 2010 00:00 GMT
#20
ID: velra.velra
Looking for: Trainees and Trainers
Server: USA
Status: Currently unoccupied
League/points/record: Platinum/1500/50-36
Contact: Vent, schmyesh@gmail.com, TL PM
Matchups: Trainees: Any; Trainers: ZvX
Other: I'll take trainees in Copper through Gold who are looking to achieve platinum league. This will allow me to work on my off-races and just give me something to look forward to as I'm pretty easy going. Also looking for any willing trainers.
Nuda Veritas
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