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Korynne
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Just making sure, I don't need to know anything about the Life Aquatic right? xD | ||
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Is that a good thing though? I mean inactives are usually townies who are disappointed because they didn't get a role. Even if the inactive was a mafia, it doesn't help us at all find the other mafia because the first guy left no clues. | ||
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Korynne
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Hypothetically speaking everyone should want to live, so everyone will post. Lynching an inactive forces mafia to speak, but if everyone is pretty active around the end of the day I don't think it's fair to just pick the last person who spoke up. We just happen to be on TL first when Bill Murray posted. | ||
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As in if you are a DT, you know it's one of two setups. If you are a medic, it's one of two setups. If you are mafia and you have a roleblocker, you also can only narrow it down to two setups. | ||
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#1 Detective + Medic, in which case the strategy would work very nicely #2 Townies... in which case we all sit around and wait to die because there's no DT? #3 There is a detective, but that can never be confirmed because the mafia can counterclaim detective. #4 There is a medic... in which case we're all sitting around again, but at least the mafia can't pretend to be detective easily (someone asks DT to rolecheck them, mafia wouldn't know if they are medic or townie). So in any case, I've never played a PM-allowed mafia game before, what exactly do the rest of us do while the detective is collecting his circle of townies? | ||
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Reason: He's brought up rather stupid things twice already, which is way more than anyone else. #1 LAL Policy Pretty impossible to verify obviously, not to mention if we catch someone lying we can easily deal with it (ie. someone is mafia, lies and says he is townie, lynch him, no brainer. someone is medic and lies and says he is townie to protect himself, obviously we shouldn't lynch him). Either way, this is such an arbitrary idea and plenty of people have poked plenty of holes in it. #2 Someone claiming DT and lynching a townie Well DUH if someone claims he rolechecked someone and claims that the rolecheck turns out mafia then CLEARLY the guy is lying and is either mafia or a COMPLETELY RETARDED townie If you are townie and you think someone is scum you don't claim them to be mafia through rolecheck. You provide good evidence to town that he is mafia and get him lynched that way. Completely dumb example. >.> Given that this is day 1, I don't think I will find someone else who is being as distracting to the town (this reminds me of BM assassin plan in the other mafia game where everyone just ends up talking about it for like 5 pages even though it's completely useless) so I am voting for Abenson unless something else turns out. | ||
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Korynne
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The night you were all lynching, my power went out. xD I finally get power back at 6am, jump on mafia, and it's like, shit, someone's put Abenson at L-1. AWW CRAP WHY DID YOU GUYS LYNCH HIM ALREADY. >.> Urgh... Seriously guys this isn't like a 30 people game, with only 5 required to lynch each vote counts quite significantly (I seem to have made this blunder, however I check mafia /very/ frequently and did not expect my power to go out. xD) With Radfield gone that's like a good portion of our activity gone. So everyone I know the first day might have been a bit of a short notice, but now that everyone has had 3 days we really should step it up. If mafia just hits our active townies, it doesn't matter if our blue roles (if we have any) stay hidden among the townies, we'll inactive ourselves to death soon enough. So on to my analysis (which shouldn't be too bad since there's only 7 of us now instead of like OMFG TWENTY PEOPLE TO ANALYZE in the other mafia xD, also the 5 pages instead of 70 helps too xD) d3_crescentia Seems pretty active First person to vote for Abenson Claims to have a good amount of free time in the next few days (so hoping for good things from you ^^) Clarifies that his vote on Abenson + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2010 07:05 d3_crescentia wrote: A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. It's hard to get a good read on Abenson given past histories - he's played exactly the same way no matter what his alignment was in previous games, and it becomes increasingly difficult to figure that out as the game drags on longer because his posts still wouldn't contain anything to analyze. Unfaltered when Abenson counter accuses him of being mafia, remains firm with his conviction Conclusion: Not a lot to go by, but seems pretty solid, only thing to note is starting the Abenson lynch but it wasn't completely random and his actions do not seem strange or inconsistent. abenson Uh, dead. Accused me and d3 of being scum for being the first 2 to vote for him korynne Uh, I don't want to analyze myself, that doesn't seem to make sense, but I'll give you a summary. Chatted with Radfield in the beginning for a bit when noone else was active xD Basic questions/answers regarding blue roles etc. Second to vote for Abenson Friggin got power outaged -.- *rageragerage* Conclusion: Good news townies! I'm playing in both mafia games and I just got power outaged, clearly this is a sign I am the mafia Flash! Therefore since I am town-aligned we will win this! ^^ (Isn't that wonderful logic?) XeliN Asks d3 if his vote on abenson is serious Explains to Abenson why his example is silly, asks d3 to explain himself again (d3 had not responded at this point) Doesn't think we should really lynch Abenson since he claims Abenson isn't really detracting from any other conversation that is going on (but my point on this is that if there wasn't something to talk about, people would be forced to think of something to talk about. Radfield and I spoke about a couple things related to the game setup and basic strategies) Proposes that we lynch someone inactive or if everyone is active to lynch someone random 5th person to vote for Abenson (note: this vote is made approx. 8 hours ahead of end of day) + Show Spoiler + Looks like he is going to get the majority votes and it seems unlikely that people would be up for random lynching someone so to save some time so I'll vote: Abenson too. Completely goes back on his statements: + Show Spoiler + Johnny this is the beggining of the game, I agree with the reasons others listed, his LaL discussion was pushed way too much and pretty much substanceless and his defence was to accuse the two people immediately of being scum simply for voting for him, quite frankly he seems like the best person to go with. As you can read from above, he did not agree with LaL being pushed too much and wanted to lynch the most inactive person (I'm pretty sure there were plenty of candidates at this point) + Show Spoiler + I was going to vote straight after I saw Abenson immediately accuse cresentia and Korynne of being mafia, I found their voting rather abrupt but there is no way you can immediately jump to the conclusion they are scum because of that as there was reasoning behind it, I decided not to and then on seeing that my vote would be a decider thought I would cut to the chase, I would rather have voted an inactive or voted randomly, even though Abenson had presented some unuseful ideas and defended himself poorly but 4 people had voted him already. Bar someone accidently posting their PM confirming them as mafia it didn't seem likely that we would end up with anything other than No Lynch or Abenson being lynched and I am impatient. Contradicts himself yet again? (Oh, so if you were mafia, you would know that Abenson was innocent, so an innocent person who accuses two other people of being mafia is a pretty good lynch right?) **Seeing that your vote would be a decider should make you PAUSE and THINK and NOT PRESS THE TRIGGER so to speak!!! Now we're one townie down because you were too impatient... Have some faith in people, (other than me being power outaged) if you have a good reason to lynch someone else and it's valid, trust that people will listen and follow you over before 8 hours is up. Or at least try and then switch to Abenson at the last minute if you don't see it happening. Or at least discuss whether we should lynch someone else first, ex. guys I really don't think it's a good idea to lynch Abenson when we have all these inactives, however I don't want to risk having a no lynch at the end of the day, so can I have a "show of hands" to know if I should just vote for Abenson or can we work to lynch a better candidate.** To everyone else, please don't do this, it is rather frowned upon. Accuses JohnnySpazz of being suspicious after Johnny keeps questioning his logic Openly says that he does not want to start off the analysis (not even pulling the newb card here?) I would like to add that in addition to your note about being roleblocked, if you have been roleblocked, then clearly we are in setup 1 and if you were the detective, then OMG FIND THE MEDIC xD Conclusion: First couple posts seem pro-town then woah, everything went waaaay downhill from there. xD Accusing Johnny doesn't help your case, neither does the I'll let someone else start (or what, you're afraid that given free rein of how the day 2 conversation starts you would accidentally reveal yourself?) You sir, have a lot to explain. [NyC]Hobbes Tells Abenson that: "I'm currently personally trying to decide if your play suggests scum or is just misguided" 3rd person to vote for Abenson (in Hobbes' 2nd real post) and considers him "best-case an exceptionally useless townie" Conclusion: Not very active, slightly suspicious for just kind of cutting in, laying some suspicion on Abenson (his first real post was kind of like a prep for his second post which voted for Abenson) before hammering in the vote. Will be off my scummy list if he just posts more (his posts are not scummy in nature, just the fact that his only 2 posts are basically to consolidate the Abenson lynch) JohnnySpazz Comments on LaL. Radfield asks him about giving an example of when blue role would need to lie, gives a pretty normal answer Comments that the last 2 votes on Abenson are scummy, FoS'd the two people Points out XeliN's inconsistency Basically has the same arguments as I did regarding why Xelin looks scummy Conclusion: Seems pretty pro-town, but that's kind of based on the fact that Xelin is quite scummy looking. Magically pops up 5 min after Xelin puts in his vote to accuse the two of them being the most suspicious thing he's done so far. BrownBear Notes that hopefully inactivity won't be a problem Agrees with LaL (omgwtf xP), no reasoning provided (pretty sure other people by this point have already went LaL = wtf) + Show Spoiler + Hmmm... it's really difficult to say who is who on day 1. I mean, why is this Absenson bandwagon going, because we think Absenson is a liar or because we don't like his track record in games? I mean, I guess I understand what Hobbes is saying - Absenson has a history of going AWOL in Mafia games, which makes him useless as a townie, and given that we have nothing better to go on, I guess lynching the useless works. I still find it kinda silly, but whatever, I'll bite: VOTE: ABSENSON Sorry bro. Finds something kind of silly and then goes ahead and puts Abenson at L-1... Conclusion: Not very contributive... agrees with LaL and then goes ahead with Abenson. Needs to be more active. Radfield Aww he's dead. Not going to bother detail analysis, but clearly pretty pro town and very active. A sad loss to town. =( *moment of silence* RebirthofLegend Some fluffy post of sorts. Uhhh, so you don't post afterwards... hypocrite much? >.> Conclusion: Same as Hobbes, scummy for lack of posting, but not actually scummy post (wasn't involved in lynching Abenson in any way). Please be active. >.> | ||
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Korynne
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You might as well accuse me of being mafia as well then XeliN, seeing as how in my analysis I pretty much have the exact same arguments as JohnnySpazz. In fact, I know I would've been freaking out at you right after you voted (or actually I would've retracted my post at L-1 if I was't power outaged). Given that I came to the same conclusion as Johnny after reading your posts, I am inclined to believe that you are mafia moreso than Johnny, given the current circumstances. Uh, you wanted to lynch the most inactive players on day 1 (when people could have not noticed the game started yet, or went out, had other plans, etc etc.) and now on day 2, when everyone has had enough time to acknowledge that they know mafia is happening, you don't think inactivity can be emphasized?? We lost Radfield, one of the more active posters, if we don't put pressure on everyone to post we're done for. Inactivity is terribly for town! | ||
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But if I was around and able to make sure a stupid mistake like yesterday didn't happen again, then my vote is for XeliN right now. So for all intents of analysis, consider me as the first person to vote for XeliN today. However due to the accident last night, I will not be putting up an actual vote in case some impatient bandwagon develops again. Talk to you folks tomorrow evening, BE ACTIVE!! | ||
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Anyway. There does seem to be an abrupt change of conversation to the night action thing. Last thing XeliN mentions before being "cut off" is: On brownbear, to me there just simply seems too little info to go on, he has posted sparcely but done nothing overtly mafialike to me and I am far more concerned with others, RoL for one thing as he has had no input whatsoever so far this game. Whats your plan to get more info on Johnny or is it one your keeping close to the chest? I don't really know what to make of that... I mean d3 already voted for RoL so we know his opinion of that. I guess his Johnny plan won't really work very well now that XeliN exposed the intent... Uh d3, what are you doing... | ||
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Say we do catch the active mafia, and one of those 3 is the other mafia, then we have no way of making a decision. Likewise, if 2 of those 3 are mafia, then it's very hard for whoever's left alive by the end of the day to judge which of the 3 are mafia because they've posted so little. However if we lynch one of the inactives the chances of us catching the mafia is like 0~2/3 at best. Clearly the solution is for you people not to be inactive. Help your town out!! | ||
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*goes to actually read your post* | ||
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You realize 2 votes puts us at L-[# of mafia alive]. Notice how our options are: cop, medic, detective. All of these have a night action. Yet d3 says he has none. Whoops. If you were green, you would have just claimed "townie" and that would have been it. So you're either blue or red, but you have no night action? Uh, isn't cop and detective the same thing? -.- I'm confused about what you meant at all in that quote... | ||
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Her post? d3's a girl now? xD I'm more for the XeliN lynch, in terms of who I think is more scummy. I also feel bad lynching BrownBear in two games on the same night... xD I stated before I would prefer to lynch the more inactive suspect, since the active one would leave more clues. So BrownBear looks to be less active. However since my vote would lead to L-1, I am refraining from doing so in case mafia jumps the last vote. I would like to hear from Hobbes and RoL first before we proceed. | ||
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I mean seriously, it's in no one's interest to vote for themselves.\ Johnny, as I said before, consider my vote as the first one for XeliN. If you haven't noticed if we mislynch someone tonight tomorrow it's going to be 3T/2M. Forgive me if I want to be careful about not getting to that. Seeing as how impatient some of our town is, can you blame me for being careful here? I vote freely "in spirit," I just don't cast my official vote because I don't want us to end the day way early like last time and mislynch someone (I started work on Monday, so I won't be online 24/7 to babysit my vote). We have another day, and we haven't heard back from two out of seven people still alive. That's rather significant. Like I said, you can consider my vote for XeliN as his first vote. Which I have not modified yet. It's ridiculous of you to accuse me of being scum just for trying to be careful and making sure we don't have a mislynch. What now? If I vote for one of them you're going to accuse me of being scum because I'll be the 3rd or 4th person to vote for them? Seems like I can't win here with you (and I don't intend to, it's a pretty poor accusation). Would you have preferred I voted randomly for one of the two and hope that I hit mafia so the actual mafia won't hammer him? It only takes two misguided townies agreeing on another townie to lynch with mafia support. Now please, stop trying to rush people into voting before we hear back from everyone (RoL and Hobbes), unless it's late in the day (like 1~4 hours before deadline depending on votes and activity). Compared to XeliN and BrownBear I don't think you look scummy but please don't make things worse for yourself. Also RoL stated that we should be active, and then disappeared. You think we should lynch the hypocrite or the liar? (Either way I have no intention of doing either until hearing from them, and after hearing back from them I doubt I will be changing from XeliN/BB to one of them.) | ||
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Like I said, no reason to be PMing, please pose your question in the thread. If you have already done so then I'm sorry I didn't notice it, a reference to that will suffice. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Your long ass post is old and doesn't address anything beyond it. (not having the enviable ability to timetravel) ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Did you not read my long ass post analyzing everyone? This conversation has no reason to be in PM. Feel free to question me in the thread. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Why do you think I'm scummy, what about my posting, points I've made e.t.c makes you suspect I'm red? Never mind that I am suspicious of why you wanted to carry out this conversation in PM (when I clearly stated we should proceed to the thread instead). Here's your analysis. I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum. If you're playing a 30 people game sure let's just lynch someone random the first day. But we can only afford 2 consecutive mislynches before we're in peril 3T/2M on day 3. I don't think first day is something to be taken lightly from this perspective. I don't agree with voting someone off because they're not very useful in a 9 people game. (In fact even in the other mafia, I mostly propose we should look for better targets to vote for than Scara and nai.Protoss because even if they were mafia they're not going to contribute that much anyway) Also there is no such thing as "save some time," only robbing the town of valuable time they could use to analyze (more like, give them more time to possibly be online and read the thread and respond). By just hammering in the vote, you robbed us of the potential opinion of other people who could've been mafia. This is valuable information we could use later to find them. Therefore this is very scummy behaviour overall. Don't brush off rushing the first day's lynch, giving town less information is never good. So we're all done with your whole shenanigan, and now comes the big reveal. PM conversation with d3. Well let's see, you think d3 is mafia. Have you thought about this from a town's perspective?? If d3 is not mafia, you just ratted out his "big plan" to get Johnny, congratulations. Were you perhaps scared because Johnny is your partner and you were afraid d3 was going to catch him? You can accuse him of being scum for trying to gauge whether you are blue as much as he could have an argument for suspecting both you and Johnny for you insisting on asking about his plan. Of course, you were "just curious" and wanted to know the plan. Well he was "just curious" and wanted to know if you were blue. Glad to see you're finally understanding how important it is not to vote too quickly, but you still put out a vote for d3, and rather than doing something you can control (unvoting for d3) you ask other people to not vote for d3... So what? If someone votes for d3 and he turns out town you can say but see guys, I told you guys not to vote so soon! d3 clearly stated that he was just getting the vote out of the way. And he did follow up with analysis. So if you're going to re-vote for d3 later please provide new analysis on the relevance of that. So there you have it XeliN, my new post just for you. | ||
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