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Kerl
Profile Joined October 2009
Germany74 Posts
February 06 2010 21:22 GMT
#1
I really love the Pokerstrategy TSL and all the Broadcasting, but I become really really angry because of the bad control from the Broadcast. I have to guess every action in the Game from the minimap, because u cant see anything interessting.

Please get this done by someone who has better control of his monitor and his minimap. This really decreases the quality of the broadcast by far!

LegendaryDreams
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada1350 Posts
February 06 2010 21:24 GMT
#2
I agree. The observer seems to miss many critical moments. There was an instance where a recall was in place and it wasn't located until the attack was over. I think it would be better if the casters were controlling the observer in sync with their casts.
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StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
February 06 2010 21:40 GMT
#3
I'm not one to be disgruntled because this is such a well run tournament. But this truly is my only complaint, it's hard to understand some of the commentary when we are not seeing the same thing. Either the commentators should watch what the observer sees (although i guess this might be probably difficult with some of the time lag issues) or the commentators should control the observer spot. But this is probably much easier said than done :[
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15361 Posts
February 06 2010 21:43 GMT
#4
The casters can't control the observer for technical reasons. Yes there were slip ups in this cast but please don't exaggerate those few mistakes.

We have the same observers as for all the other TSL games and over all they are doing a good job.
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Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
February 06 2010 21:51 GMT
#5
obviously you wrote this after game 1, where i would agree with you, but game 2 was totally fine ...
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
February 06 2010 21:57 GMT
#6
It's not too bad overall, but yeah the observer was terrible in jf vs terran game 1.

For example he took like 20 seconds to react on terran's drop on jf's 7oclock expo. And terran was yellow, it was so obvious on the minimap, and was thinking "wtf the only thing he has to do is watching the minimap, how can't he see this?"
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Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
February 06 2010 22:04 GMT
#7
I think the exact opposite. Tastosis missed a couple of important things, whereas Carnac captured them perfectly. I am quite happy with the obs. :o)
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NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
February 06 2010 22:23 GMT
#8
the third game was PRETTY amazing, god damn rly good micro by terran/juan there. Sweet, those games is what we want in here.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
February 06 2010 22:35 GMT
#9
i think obs was decent.
Artosis and Tasteless missed some things too
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
pioneer8
Profile Joined January 2010
United States143 Posts
February 06 2010 22:38 GMT
#10
I agree with this thread. I've been watching the entire TSL2 and the observer has been poor in every game. It would be great if they replaced the current observer with someone who has deep game knowledge, and actually listens to what the commentators are saying while they observe the map.


Please TSL... This would be my only real complaint.
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
February 06 2010 22:40 GMT
#11
On February 07 2010 07:04 Schnake wrote:
I think the exact opposite. Tastosis missed a couple of important things, whereas Carnac captured them perfectly. I am quite happy with the obs. :o)

im of this view because i only saw carnac miss one or two things HOWEVER tastosis missed a lot and was behind on a lot of things game 1...the other games were fine and i didnt see any trouble with those....i think the problem game 1 was the fact that there was so much going on at the time it was truly amazing multitasking from both players
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
February 06 2010 22:43 GMT
#12
On February 07 2010 07:04 Schnake wrote:
I think the exact opposite. Tastosis missed a couple of important things, whereas Carnac captured them perfectly. I am quite happy with the obs. :o)

Yeah this is actually how I feel, the obs would see tonnes of things that tastosis didn't see at the time. The only thing they missed was the recall in game 1, but that wasn't that big since everything died instantly.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-06 22:48:14
February 06 2010 22:45 GMT
#13
On February 07 2010 07:38 pioneer8 wrote:
I agree with this thread. I've been watching the entire TSL2 and the observer has been poor in every game. It would be great if they replaced the current observer with someone who has deep game knowledge, and actually listens to what the commentators are saying while they observe the map.

Please TSL... This would be my only real complaint.

Yes, there were moments the observer missed (mainly in Game 1) of the Terran vs IefNaij series. However, when you make hyperbolic, exaggerated statements like "the observer has been poor in every game" when it was really just one or two incidents in a single game, it just makes it impossible to take you seriously.

If you are actually complaining that the observer was poor in every game, then you are simply wrong. Many of the games (the vast majority actually) have been well observed.
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pioneer8
Profile Joined January 2010
United States143 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-06 22:49:12
February 06 2010 22:48 GMT
#14
I'll compare with the Korean observers. They observe the map in a calm, steady way, clicking certain buildings and units, and moving to certain areas that are important as the game progresses. They highlight certain areas, and work as a team with the commentators to help the people better watch and understand the game.


For the TSL in general, not just this set, I cannot list the number of times the observer has been looking somewhere completely different for 30 seconds, while the commentators are talking and philosophizing about something else.


Thanks guys, please get someone else or make improvements on the one now... as i said, my only real complaint with this awesome tourney.
Neroin
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany173 Posts
February 06 2010 22:50 GMT
#15
I definitely think Carnac is doing a very good job (and Intrigue too) as he most of the time spots every action going on sometimes even things the casters don't even notice. Also he reacts very nicely to what the casters are saying.
Big thank you to the observers for doing a great job!!

(and of course everybody in TSL)
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
February 06 2010 22:51 GMT
#16
On February 07 2010 07:04 Schnake wrote:
I think the exact opposite. Tastosis missed a couple of important things, whereas Carnac captured them perfectly. I am quite happy with the obs. :o)

Nah, I missed a few things or realized some stuff too late and I'm not really happy with it overall. In my defense though, I wasn't supposed to do it today in the first place. Intrigue was in the process of getting set up in preparation of the broadcast, when his power went out because of a snow storm and what no, so I had to jump in at the last minute. I didn't get a chance to look at the games beforehand like I should have and couldn't concentrate as well as I would have liked.

And for Artosis & Tasteless it's hard because it's damn fucking late when they do it (the cast starts at 4 AM their time!).
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
February 06 2010 22:52 GMT
#17
On February 07 2010 07:48 pioneer8 wrote:
I'll compare with the Korean observers. They observe the map in a calm, steady way, clicking certain buildings and units, and moving to certain areas that are important as the game progresses. They highlight certain areas, and work as a team with the commentators to help the people better watch and understand the game.


For the TSL in general, not just this set, I cannot list the number of times the observer has been looking somewhere completely different for 30 seconds, while the commentators are talking and philosophizing about something else.


Thanks guys, please get someone else or make improvements on the one now... as i said, my only real complaint with this awesome tourney.

Why dont you provide us with a TV studio and pay for everyone (players & casters) to do it from there?
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OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
February 06 2010 22:52 GMT
#18
I like this format. I don't need to be told whats happening on screen, and when tasteless and artosis talk about stuff not on scree, I know about everything thats going on during the game.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
February 06 2010 22:54 GMT
#19
On February 07 2010 07:51 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2010 07:04 Schnake wrote:
I think the exact opposite. Tastosis missed a couple of important things, whereas Carnac captured them perfectly. I am quite happy with the obs. :o)

Nah, I missed a few things or realized some stuff too late and I'm not really happy with it overall. In my defense though, I wasn't supposed to do it today in the first place. Intrigue was in the process of getting set up in preparation of the broadcast, when his power went out because of a snow storm and what no, so I had to jump in at the last minute. I didn't get a chance to look at the games beforehand like I should have and couldn't concentrate as well as I would have liked.

And for Artosis & Tasteless it's hard because it's damn fucking late when they do it (the cast starts at 4 AM their time!).

To expand on this, for the Ro16 our observer watches the replays beforehand. The casters don't watch the games but the observer does so he knows not to miss things. However, intrigue (our obs for today) had a power outage 1 hour before the broadcast time. Thus, Carnac had to obs without pre-watching any of the JF-GosiTerran games, hence missing a few things in Game 1.
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thisiscc
Profile Joined April 2003
United States33 Posts
February 06 2010 22:54 GMT
#20
I think everything is just ok.
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