Ok so the casters haven't seen the game beforehand and the observer catches more action than the casters in general, we all agree on that?

So the way to fix it would be to let the casters follow the observer, thus the stream and commentate.
So we get instant reactions to whats happening on OUR screen.
Can this be done Carnac?

And then it's just up to the observer not to miss things such as recalls and dropshipaction etc by watching games prehand and practicing his observerskills.

NiGoL

1868 Posts

February 12 2010 11:41 GMT

#242

On February 12 2010 20:36 StylishVODs wrote:
Ok so the casters haven't seen the game beforehand and the observer catches more action than the casters in general, we all agree on that?

So the way to fix it would be to let the casters follow the observer, thus the stream and commentate.
So we get instant reactions to whats happening on OUR screen.
Can this be done Carnac?

And then it's just up to the observer not to miss things such as recalls and dropshipaction etc by watching games prehand and practicing his observerskills.

i cant do more than agree, letting the casters follow the observers and commentate the games wouldnt be a big of an issue would it? I would at least like that, and it would be easier to follow the game.

zatic

Zurich15353 Posts

February 12 2010 12:00 GMT

#243

Read the thread please.

Nytefish

United Kingdom4282 Posts

February 12 2010 12:35 GMT

#244

Obviously the observer caught a lot more than the casters and tasteless+artosis missed quite a lot more than day+chill. No need to talk too much about previous casts though, if people have suggestions on improving future ones they should say so.

I think a simple solution would just be to have one of the casters focus and talk about the main action, whilst the other one checks the mini-map and smaller scenes more frequently. Of course I don't mean have them talk about completely different things, but if they have slightly separate roles like this they will catch a lot more.

stenole

Norway868 Posts

February 12 2010 13:01 GMT

#245

I think people who complain about the TSL, should remember that this is all done in an online setting. I'm sure it would be 100 times easier if players and staff were all at the same place in the world. Then the observer and commentators would also have access to the first person views of the players and coordination between commentators and observer would also be better. The TSL is also much more vulnerable to technical difficulties of all kinds. So I think everyone just needs to be patient and understanding.

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

February 12 2010 13:09 GMT

#246

Ugh, just wanted to say that most of the bitching and whining in this thread really disgusts me.
The obs caught sooo many things way before the commentators did.
Of course a korean setup would be ideal, but given when they can do TL is doing a great job.

I do,however, wholeheartedly agree with incontrol, I already stated my opinion about this in another thread and I really hope that one day tasteless will be back in top commentating shape again

StylishVODs

Sweden5331 Posts

February 12 2010 13:19 GMT

#247

On February 12 2010 21:00 zatic wrote:
Read the thread please.

Ok so that can't be done in any way? Read some but can't be arsed to read through 12 pages of oppinions to find a single answer. Anyway good luck improving then.

Pyrthas

United States3196 Posts

February 12 2010 14:35 GMT

#248

On February 12 2010 22:19 StylishVODs wrote:

Show nested quote +

Ok so that can't be done in any way? Read some but can't be arsed to read through 12 pages of oppinions to find a single answer. Anyway good luck improving then.

Well you don't need to read all 12 pages, this has come up at least 2 or 3 times so far.

Raneth

England527 Posts

February 12 2010 15:29 GMT

#249

omg, are people really still talking about this? seriously? the casters and commentators are working together to bring us the best and most professional tournament in forigner history (which i personally am enjoying thoroughly) and your picking at tiny little details that to be honest, haven't spoiled this one bit for me, better one recall missed and i actually get a tournament with all the top foreigners that the other way around no?
This is a great tourney and all aspects that you think need improving will naturally improve over time with experience. Stop being petulant children, complaining when your given a free silver spoon becuase it isn't made out of gold.

Aux1

United States780 Posts

February 12 2010 17:19 GMT

#250

The biggest issues to this point in the tsl have definitely not been the observers. Inc said it the best earlier in the thread, the biggest problem thus far has been the casting of artosis and tasteless. Whenever anyone brings this up people are quick to blame the fact that it's 4 am in Korea when they cast. I admire their efforts and the fact that they are so dedicated to the scene that they are willing to cast at this hour. However, they have been doing a poor job. If tl really wants to put out the best possible streams each week they will remove artosis and tasteless from casting and have day and chill cast every match, they have been casting exceptionally well.

P.s. This is not meant to be an attack on artosis and tasteless. I have listened to them both cast excellent games. But something is definitely not right with their casts. Perhaps it's the hour, or perhaps it's that they clash with each other and better casts would result from mixing up the casting duos(though I'm hesitant to suggest this because day and chill have been doing so great).

P.p.s. Anyone complaining about the obs, next time u watch a replay record an fpvod of it and then rewarch it and u will see how hard it is to obs. I can't speak for everyone but I know I would be a horrible observer because I jump around too much when I watch games

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

February 12 2010 17:57 GMT

#251

On February 13 2010 02:19 Aux1 wrote:
The biggest issues to this point in the tsl have definitely not been the observers. Inc said it the best earlier in the thread, the biggest problem thus far has been the casting of artosis and tasteless. Whenever anyone brings this up people are quick to blame the fact that it's 4 am in Korea when they cast. I admire their efforts and the fact that they are so dedicated to the scene that they are willing to cast at this hour. However, they have been doing a poor job. If tl really wants to put out the best possible streams each week they will remove artosis and tasteless from casting and have day and chill cast every match, they have been casting exceptionally well.

P.s. This is not meant to be an attack on artosis and tasteless. I have listened to them both cast excellent games. But something is definitely not right with their casts. Perhaps it's the hour, or perhaps it's that they clash with each other and better casts would result from mixing up the casting duos(though I'm hesitant to suggest this because day and chill have been doing so great).

P.p.s. Anyone complaining about the obs, next time u watch a replay record an fpvod of it and then rewarch it and u will see how hard it is to obs. I can't speak for everyone but I know I would be a horrible observer because I jump around too much when I watch games

While I agree that chill and day9 right now are definitely the superior duo, removing tasteless/artosis is in NO WAY the right answer, it wouldn't be the same without them. Maybe switching the teams up would do the trick, chill and artosis already did a nice job in the nony v idra showmatch.
And come on, everyone wanted to see at least ONE game with the plott brothers dual casting right?

MercerX

United States32 Posts

February 12 2010 18:35 GMT

#252

I only know one thing for sure. If I were the one observing I would do a way better job

No but seriously get someone who is at least B+ in there. Ya clearly it's not a horrible job but I shouldn't be watching it and seeing shit happening on the minimap like at least five times every game where i'm going GO THERE OBSERVER, LOOK AT THAT, DO YOU HAVE FCKING DOWN SYNDROME? OH MY GOD.