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On January 05 2010 16:52 Vivi57 wrote: I say we kill scamp. He'll post so little that his role won't be too transparent and we'll be forced to kill him for inactivity without gaining new information. This also helps to enforce that mafia must post or they'll be killed for inactivity. Just for the record. Can we wait to see who the fuck is actually inactive before deciding who we are going to kill for inactivity? | ||
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On January 06 2010 10:46 Ace wrote: I agree, except how do you know they are town? :/ Also remember we've seen plenty of times where Townies themselves contributed to the deception and cluster fuck of the game (see RoL in any game he plays). THIS IS LIKE THE FOURTH ANTI-ROL POST I HAVE SEEN. GET THE FUCK OFF IT. Holy shit. I am going to go read the entire thread and just start yelling at everyone I feel like yelling at. Especially you, because I hate you for hating me. See you all in 20 minutes! | ||
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On January 05 2010 15:39 L wrote: Dear morans. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moran Step one. Learn to spell properly before insulting everyone else. You suck. Also you replaced your 4th and 5th bullets with $ %. On January 05 2010 17:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Hmm.. No clues, and no majority lynches make for an awkward D1. However, I have a plan. I AM A MEDIC. + Show Spoiler [Bullshit] + Stop. Read. Let it sink in. I just openly claimed to start this game off. Other medics (if you exist), stay in hiding. Why? 1) I can be more effective this way. First, I can be confirmed rather easily with this done. That will come on Day 2, but I can be. Second, it allows me to work in the open and play with mafia's head. I can make my own list towards the end of each day and force mafia to play a guessing game as to who on the list I will protect, if I will actually protect anyone from that list, or if it is worth it to try and kill me and will I protect myself. 2) As stated above, it will throw a major wrench into the mafias night-actions. They will not know if they are safe to try and kill me, or one of my targets. They don't know if there are other medics either who can protect me and/or my targets. 3) Mafia is now going to push to get me killed, either very boldly or subtly, via a lynch. This will give us a pool to work with of potential suspects. This is such a bullshit post its absurd. You are mafia. There is no fucking way to ever confirm you. You are probably just the godfather whose just going to try to dickover a DT. I would say just kill you tonight and save us the drama. There really is NO reason to keep you alive. You are either going to cause confusion in trying to confirm you as a "medic" because it just can't be done. Killing you will either A. Get rid of a mafia who tried playing some dumb ploy that just shouldn't let you live but no one wants to A. Waste a lynch and B. Kill a blue. I am just going to say it, your move was dumb and is very mafia orientated. We can't prove your mafia or a medic, we can't prove shit. Your just going to cause confusion and probably get a DT killed. Losing the GF isn't a big deal either as long as you can trade it off for a "DT" or some town influence for a couple of days. Lets just kill Judge and save ourselves the god damn heartache and pages of arguments. I am not even waiting, I am voting for him as a I write this. Disagree with me or not, hes playing like a retard or a mafia trying a dumb ploy that in most circumstances I could see paying off. But lets not let this become one of those circumstances. On January 05 2010 20:13 Zato-1 wrote: Hm. Scamp doesn't post much, but what he does post is usually telling, in my experience. Since all we have on day 1 for choosing a Lynch target is behavioral analysis, I'd rather go after the people who are 'immune' to behavioral analysis. And by this, I mean Chezinu. Usually, all he posts are random references to 'Ace' and 'Brown', and his comments are completely unrelated to the game, its players, its roles, suggested courses of action, etc. That is, in fact, a valid mafia strategy- say a lot of shit so people don't peg you down for being inactive, but never commit to saying something relevant so that you won't be called out for something you said. As it is, the only way for the Town to ever determine his role directly will be through a DT, which I'd rather use on some other big-name players instead (L, Ace). Leaning: Lynch Chezinu Then, there's the matter of our other night roles: DTs, Medics, Vigis. DTs should definitely check out the big-name players. For me, these are: Ace, L. They're basically a big boon in terms of post quality, behavioral analysis and Town leadership if they're Townies, so it's a good idea to see whether we should be rallying around them early or not. And if they're mafia... we'll want them lynched ASAP. Oh, and do remember the Godfather won't show up as mafia in a RC; if a RC comes up Red, the DT knows with 100% certainty that player's mafia. If it doesn't come up red, the DT does not know with 100% certainty whether that player's mafia or not. CANT WE WAIT UNTIL CHEZ FUCKING POSTS? I mean if he really posts his Brown shit we kill him. Medics should cover blue roles. How do you find out if someone is a blue role? Good question. Hopefully I'll be able to answer it by nighttime. I also think while we are having our medics protect blue roles we should also only lynch reds. I feel like following this solid plan can win us the game. On January 05 2010 20:22 Zato-1 wrote: What evidence are you talking about? If it's, "He accused me so I'll accuse him", that's not valid in my book- it leads to Town infighting most of the time, which benefits none but the mafia. Learn to read sarcasm. He only posted that because Vivi said kill Scamp for dumb reasons before seeing how hes playing at all. If hes quiet we kill him. On January 05 2010 21:24 Ace wrote:I agree that killing useless players is always a sound strategy when there isn't a better idea. Of course with the what, 15 or so mafia games played so far that list isn't exactly hard to populate at the moment: 1.) vivi57 2.) nemy 3.) RebirthofLegend And if any of you remember last game with the huge fuck ups of 3 players in particular the prime candidate for most detrimental to the town is RoL. He doesn't read and is a sheep. He's easily influenced and lets his emotions get to him and rarely if ever helps the town. Last game he didn't even realize he was being manipulated until the very end. Vivi57 and nemy, well you guys already know how terrible both of them are. It's just that RoL is far worse than either of them. Holy shit Ace, this is ridiculous. You have no idea what happened last game to where you can judge me "manipulated" Yeah, I sided with L that Shikyo was probably the GF because 3 DT's seemed improbable. At the same time Shikyo never communicated with me and stopped posting when L told me he was GF. He went from being really active to not posting shit for no reason at all. I also managed to do 2 succesful protects after making contact with L, which he knew I was protecting. I forgot who they were on but one was Midori. Why would the mafia waste their hits when they KNOW who I am protecting? The only time that it was an "OH SHIT" moment was when I saw a second medic die and was really confused. I didn't realize for the sake of game balance their wouldn't be two medics and a Veteran. I died like a day later. So for you to say I played like absolute shit speaks to your ignorance. I predicted three hits which were also the SAME EXACT FUCKING PROTECTS THE OTHER MEDIC DID. So yeah, maybe a saved a mafia with one of them but if I didn't the other medic would have. Just get off my balls please and move on with the game. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: Day 1 roleclaiming medic is beyond ballsy, and your payoff seems to be little more than making a list and then having a dt check you OR telling the vig to hit a target and protecting it. How exactly is this not godfather play? I mean, I've already thought about the relative pros and cons of you doing this as a green, dt, vig, vet, medic, and godfather, but I want to hear what you've got to say about this. If you're trying to absorb a dt check rather than anyone the DT wanted to check; that's interesting. We'd rather have checks on reds rather than on blues. If you're trying to get the vig to hit someone, that's double interesting. It would be triple interesting depending on how you asked him. You're probably not going to get lynched day 1, but then again it was highly unlikely that you would have been the eventual lynch target on the first day anyways. So objectively it seems like you're trying to call attention to yourself, which is the standard play for vets and godfathers. Dunno, give me your take on it, and don't pretend that the list stupidity is a good idea granted that you could have had a mouth produce the list. The timing and activity in the thread indicates that there are very few people who could have gotten you as a mouth as well. Just seems a bit odd that no one's talking about it. So we have 2 topics of interest now: 1) Medic claim 2) Who y'all wanna kill There are better ways to get attention as a vet while not fucking with the town. Lying is generally a bad thing to do, it is mafia behavior. Be as honest as possible and keep plans simple. That is how you behave town orientated. If hes trying to get the DT to check him its dumb, he would probably just be the godfather with this behavior. I want to kill Judge and just save us this problem further down the line. I already posted how this benefits the mafia for more than it could the town. Mafia is NOT risking KP with a move like this and they can get a DT if the DT is foolish enough to role check and call to Judge. They are also getting the town off topic which doesn't help us either. So yeah, 1. Medic is bullshit GF ploy. 2. Kill Judge. Simple enough. | ||
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On January 06 2010 09:00 L wrote: Given you were the one that noted this 2 games ago, WIFOM is a pretty bad move as justification. AND BE WORSE OFF THAN NOW? HO HO HO. MERRY CHRISTMAS. Your reasoning is pretty bad, bromigo Very simply if you wanted to use a mouth here is all you had to do. Wait a day or a little bit, just PM someone completely fucking random and just say "Hey the way you were posting makes me think your a *TOWN ROLE* tonight I just want to start up town circle seems like a good way to start it. and yeah tonight I am protecting L. Then just protect your fucking self. If there is no hit at all that night, chances are you PMed a mafia who is like "lol ez kill" then hit you thinking you were just sitting there for fun. They probably also would of overlooked that you could protect yourself. But you decided to do some dumbshit move. | ||
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On January 06 2010 10:43 Ace wrote: First of all one thing I need to make clear: I've seen medics openly claim Day 1 before in similar formats and almost every single time they end in disaster and the town loses. Now before I go into specifics of why, Judge I know you've played on Mafiascum. Assuming they are pretty good over there you've probably seen a lot of possibilities for broken cop/medic claims that is doable in this game. That's the ONLY thing that makes me even remotely think you can be a legit medic. If that wasn't possible I'd just call for your lynch. The reasoning that Mafia wouldn't fake claim a medic because it offers little gain is moot - everyone would come to the same reasoning you just did (logically) and agree the medic is obviously real because no mafia would sac himself. Which is wrong. Mafia KP is always 1. If we all come to that logical conclusion we in fact now have a Mafia who gained something for nothing because everyone thinks it's so stupid why would they do it. Now the other reason Medic role claims end in disaster is that if you're lying the real medic doesn't know if you're a Vet false claiming or a Mafia in disguise. Regardless they won't talk to you, the cop can't do anything once he RCs you if you aren't a Medic and you will most certainly be dead soon. I think Scamp said it pretty well earlier: This is a guessing game, but now it's no longer a blind guessing game from the Mafia side but a potential shot of information they shouldn't have this early. If you're gambit fails and you are really the medic and you die tonight, the game is going to be ridiculously hard for the town. You've got experience. You SHOULD know that with you not being able to be confirmed through medic protections we have no incentive to believe you at all. I'm inclined to say you're move is very anti-town at the moment. I also agree with this 100%. See Ace we can agree if we really try! Oh and here's to my inactivity going away. I just didn't have time/patience to read the entire thread at that moment. I will post tons don't worry. | ||
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On January 07 2010 00:45 Zato-1 wrote: Get a hold of yourself, man. Trying to vindicate your actions in a previous game, fighting back at random insults and posting 6 times consecutively while sounding really passionate at the same time just makes it look like you're lashing out. Not conducive to a smart, organized Town at all. So, yeah- less talk-back and discussing other games, more discussing what we should be doing this game please. Read more please, 90% of what I wrote was about this game and Judge's actions. The other 10% was about talking about past games. I just simply said that Ace can't continue being a dick because hes mad I fucked him over when I was a VI like 2 years ago. This grudge shit is annoying and not productive. Ace assumes he knows everything about everything when in reality most people in my situation would of done the same shit most likely including himself. Can we please just focus on Judge? and i was posting as I was reading and knowing that a lot of people just skip text blocks I repeated a few things as I was reading. | ||
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I honestly just think hes being a dumb townie. However that post is also from when I had not really said anything and Scamp hadn't really either. If we believe in lynching inactives to make mafia post or die then he chose two decent candidates, me having not posted anything and scamp having not really posted much. The only thing I posted was kind of in scamp's defense. I am sure Malongo would change his mind now when he rereads the thread. That post is from at least one page ago and kind of just looks like you are trying to save Judge from having made a bad move. | ||
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Who do you want to kill? | ||
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It will go great with my plan to lynch only reds and have our medics protect only blues. | ||
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On January 07 2010 09:52 L wrote: The convincing argument is pretty obvious; He's a poor player as you've already accepted, his 6 consecutive posts are emotive and generally content poor. If you prefer him dying to malongo, then you'll switch. Just to respond to this shit which I have seen mentioned like 8 times. Where the hell does emotion come up in my post at all? I will be as aggressive as I want because I am trying to play devil's advocate in games. Also L, your right. Lynch me I am a bad player. Way worse than Malongo, you or the other 9 people in this game at the moment. | ||
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HOW DO WE CONFIRM JUDGE? Me, Ace and a few others have said how it is literally impossible. You say it is, please. Give me a reason to believe he CAN be confirmed and I will change my vote. | ||
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On January 07 2010 10:18 HeavOnEarth wrote: Now, assuming Judge is blue, i made this little list. Obviously this is just to offer up my thoughts/and summarize the thread, moreso, then actual concrete accusations, because , at least to me, there aren't any. 1. RebirthOfLeGend - obv. against judge , posts a lot of irrelevant info. about previous games. red 2. Ace - likewise, find it funny they agree with each other for once(not like, omg fish funny, just funny in general ) red 3. L green 4. vx70GTOJudgexv blue 5. Scamp - usually quiet when mafia, probably quiet if given a blue role as well. green 6. Zato-1 green 7. Chezinu - i dont see why he wouldn't keep up with his masquerade-ish style of posting if given a blue/red role therefore green 8. nemY - makes a case against judge red [spoiler] 9. HeavOnEarth - seems to be the general consensus- green 10. Vivi57 - points out inactivity and gives some information in past games referring to scamp, also used the term +EV so <3 green 12. Mikeymoo - seems to be genuinely busy green 13. Malongo - reason im making this post, seems green to me green This is just dumb. I referenced last game because I was attacked about it. Literally EVERYTHING else I wrote refers to Judge role claiming. Me and Ace have agreed on previous occasions, it just usually breaks up somewhere down the line. I am sure it will happen again when we disagree on something. Killing Judge is in the best interest of the town because of what I said before. Any claimer hopes the town is just indecisive enough to not kill him because he just might be blue. This is the shit that will just drag us down with the same argument until we eventually kill Judge. I am too lazy to point out most of your list, but I generally disagree with almost the entire thing. At this point I would say L, Zato-1, and Judge look the most likely mafia to me. | ||
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Sorry, I will post like spock from now on. On January 07 2010 09:56 L wrote: The risk/reward for killing you with your activity is pretty favorable compared to killing judge. If judge is telling the truth, he's going to be an active asset to the town. If he isn't, his influence is going to be checked by me and ace at the minimum. This is the exact mentality any role caller goes for. Lets hope they really really worry about killing me IF I am blue. Feeding into that mentality just gets us more confused down the road because we still have that UNCONFIRMED role caller. You still haven't said it though L, How do we confirm Judge? There is no harm in saying it. In fact there is less harm in saying it. Imagine if you die without this confirmation plan being revealed? Everyone else is clearly too dumb to realize he can be confirmed. Killing judge is the best plan so far, and I will stick it through. You guys voting Malongo are most likely about to kill a Townie. | ||
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On January 07 2010 11:33 Malongo wrote: Im inclined to believe L and judge are town. I think theres a gain on lynching RoL because RoL red=> Scamp red (I posted the reasoning clearly). I dont see a bad thing a medic claim because theres gain and no-lose as long as the other blues keep playing smart. Just to add more Milkymoo and Ace can see (or they know) im not really mafia. You can find better candidates to active_lurking boy (and yet again no im not active_lurking i proposed first post to lynch RoL). Given all the post garbage against me im now almost sure all this come from my first post aka lynch RoL. I tried defending you earlier and giving you the benefit of the doubt but this is just retarded. You want to kill me because I simply said we shouldn't kill people based on INACTIVITY in previous games? That is ridiculous. On January 07 2010 11:41 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I'm gonna leave for a bit - if I'm not back by deadline and I get lynched, I'll explain everything in postgame. If I do live, I need a DT to investigate me to further carry out this plan. It WILL continue this as long as you play along with it, got it? Good. Peace. How could a DT checking you do anything we wouldn't expect it to do? I mean the only surprise would be if you actually flip red and make the DT out himself by announcing that you came back red. Also there doesn't have to be a DT. Why do you guys keep assuming there is one? Last game i assumed there must bet a Vet and the only vet in the game was L as godfather. | ||
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