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[Interview] Ep 3 Nal_rA + Kingdom

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Continuted from Ep 2. Please read the first two parts before reading this one.
Episode 1
Episode 2

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DES= We met (P)Nal_rA and (P)Kingdom in Yongsan after the PMT Day 2. Nal_rA came after finishing Star Infinity Challenge and Kingdom came after a live program. We met at the place where Kingdom was interviewed when he first became a commentator.

Nal_rA didn't eat dinner, so he ate fried chicken, other fried foods, and sausage. In the pictures you can see 500CC beer cup, but Kingdom and Nal_rA didn't even drink half of it. They talked endlessly even without having to drink beer.

The two commentators talked a lot besides what's written in this interview. About modern e-sports and the controversy on requiring teams to send out one of each race, the two talked on. What wasn't on the other two parts are revealed in this part.




◆The icons of modern StarCraft (P)Bisu-(Z)Jaedong
DES= If we look at the history of StarCraft, there was always a rivalry. (T)BoxeR's rival was (Z)YellOw. Now (P)Bisu and (Z)Jaedong are thought to be as rivals. What do you think?

Nal_rA= I think so too. When I played against (T)NaDa it was 'Gwang Dal Rok' and when I played against (Z)sAviOr it was called 'Holy Wars', but I don't think it was considered a rivalry. Fans were interested in those matchups, but they didn't happen while we were at the top. However, Jaedong and Bisu are currently at the top, so it's similar to Boxer-Yellow rivalry.

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Kingdom= I thought of something while I was commentating WCG Korea. I wanted Jaedona and Bisu to meet in the 3rd place match. If it was in the finals, they would relax. I wanted them to meet in a match that matters, where they would have to play their best. It was a poisonous thought. Hahaha.

Nal_rA= Who would have won if that happened? There's the 4th place curse for WCG. If that had happened I would have been disappointed that one of them couldn't make it.

Kingdom= Those two has never met in a finals. Except event matches. If I had to commentate Bisu vs Jaedong for 3rd place match, I think I would have exploded from high blood pressure. Hahaha. I think it would have been fun.

Nal_rA= They could have met in proleague finals. Had Jaedong defeated (T)fantasy, I heard Bisu would have been sent out to play against Jaedong.

Kingdom= I think that would have been the match of the year. They both hate to lose, and they're currently the best players.

DES= What do you think the strengths and the weaknesses of Bisu and Jaedong are?

Nal_rA= They have quick hands, make good decisions, and understand the maps well. Bisu was only sent out once in the finals but if you see his game in Heartbreak Ridge, his play was amazing. He built a pylon outside of the main and built a gateway inside. He harassed heavily after that. A player can only do such sim city through a lot of experimentation.

Kingdom= Bisu came to SK Telecom soon after I became a coach. His hands were so fast and accurate. Especially in PvZ, he would continuously harass the Zerg for the first twenty minutes. It was amazing.

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Nal_rA= Jaedong's strength is his desire to win. I never was in the same team as him so it's a bit awkward, but when I talked to him in the waiting room he smiled. However, whenever he sits on the booth, his eyes change to those of a lion seeking prey.

Kingdom= You stressed his eye but I want to pick his physical as his strength. Even though Bisu's hands are fast, but Jaedong has an amazing physical. When Coach Park Yong Oon told the Zerg players to research the uses of queen in ZvT in preparation for fantasy vs Jaedong match. The players told us that the queen was too difficult to use queens and defilers at the same time. Not too long after that, Jaedong used Dark Swarm and Ensnare together to defeat fantasy. I learned that Jaedong is a scary player from that.

DES= Let's talk about the possibilities of those two becoming the icons of e-sports. (T)BoxeR, (Z)YellOw, (T)NaDa, (T)iloveoov, and (Z)sAviOr are star players that represent their teams, but some people say that the teams aren't being able to make stars with fame at the level of (T)BoxeR.

Nal_rA= I don't think they're wrong. There were players who were named to be the best after Boxer but they didn't have much of an impact on e-sports. It's time to start worrying about who will carry e-sports' icon after Boxer. (Z)Jaedong, (P)Bisu, and (T)Flash are rising stars, but they also need to be issue makers that rise above their teams and e-sports.

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Kingdom= After large companies began to sponsor teams, the teams have more social activities, but I think they appear less in advertisements now. The cycle change between players changed too. Players nowadays can't keep their top spot for 3 years and their progaming lives end earlier. I hope Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash realize they have the responsibility to continue their pace. I hope the companies begin to use their players as Ad models too.

◆Required race appearance for Proleague
DES= Daily e-Sports is having a survey about the race requirements. I think Kingdom had to worry about this a lot as a coach, and Nal_rA probably worried about it in a different way as a commentator.

Kingdom= I think we need to remember why it started. After 2008 season, 2v2 disappeared. Team play is only possible if the teams have enough players to participate, but since it disappeared, teams could work with only a few players, often the same race. I think they need to keep it.

For example, SK Telecom Zergs lost every match in 08-09 Round 1. We brought (Z)Thezerg from MBC and we began to do better. I think there's a solution to the race requirements problem.

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Nal_rA= Instead of agreeing or disagreeing, I think I'll look for a solution. The race requirements didn't affect the Winner's League. That gave the teams time to find players for 4th and the 5th round. SK Telecom Zergs became stronger, and KT found (P)Violet. Woongjin raised (T)PianO. I think another solution is to have Bo7 in proleague and requiring at least one player for each race. Instead of being negative about the race requirements, I think it's better to look for a solution.

Kingdom= Nal_rA has a good suggestion. Raising the number of sets will help the teams. Although there is no reason to raise all three races, we should try to prevent teams from carrying on the season on the back of only one or two races.

Nal_rA= There's also another solution. The Map Test Pre-Matches are very important. We have to stop maps like Battle Royal that favors one race from coming out. This doesn't have a direct relation to the race requirements, but balanced maps discourage same race matches. If the map balance is good, viewers can enjoy the match, whether it's same or different races.

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DES= Thank you for your time. I think we had a fun debate. Thanks for the ideas and I hope your messages will be carried on to the readers.




Nal_rA and Kingdom finished the interview at 12:30 AM. Kingdom went back to his house in Yongsan, and Nal_rA said he had a meeting with people from MBCGame. I thank the two players who were able to come at such a late time.

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강민과 박용욱 두 해설 위원을 만난 것은 프로리그 맵테스트 2회차가 열린 9월8일 용산이었다. 강민이 스타무한도전을 마치고 나서 용산으로 왔고 박용욱의 생방송이 끝나고 나서 한 맥주집을 찾았다. 이 곳은 박용욱이 해설위원으로 데뷔한 뒤 이소라 기자가 인터뷰한 장소였다.

저녁을 먹지 않았다는 강민은 모듬 안주를 시킨 뒤 기름진 음식-튀김과 소시지-만 쏙 빼먹은 뒤 양념 치킨을 하나 더 시키는 '먹성'을 드러내기도 했다. 사진을 자세히 보면 맥주 500CC 잔이 보이지만 두 해설 위원은 절반도 마시지 않았다. 술 마시면서 이야기하지 않아도 한 번 터진 말문은 기자가 막을 수 없을 정도였다.

기자가 강민, 박용욱 해설 위원과 친분을 쌓은 과정에서 술은 꽤나 큰 의미를 갖는다. 전에 일하던 직장인 파이터포럼에서 만든 'esFORCE'라는 잡지를 기억하는 팬들이 많을 것이다. 기자는 '취중진담'이라는 인터뷰를 100회 가까이 진행했고 첫 번째 인터뷰 대상으로 강민을 선택했다. 이후 추천제로 돌아가던 중 특집 형식으로 박정석과 박용욱을 한 자리에 모아 '취중진담'을 꾸린 적도 있다.

각설하고. 강민, 박용욱 해설위원은 인터뷰 내용 이외의 내용에 대해서도 많은 이야기를 나눴다. 차세대 e스포츠 아이콘과 종족 의무 출전제 등 e스포츠의 현안에 대한 고민도 많았다. '더블 인터뷰' 외전에서 이 내용에 대해 밝힌다.

◆차세대 아이콘 김택용-이제동
데일리e스포츠(이하 DES)=스타크래프트 역사를 살펴보면 역대 최강의 라이벌 구도가 존재했습니다. 임요환의 뗄 수 없는 라이벌은 홍진호죠. 이후에는 딱히 라이벌이라고 불리울 만한 선수들이 없었습니다. 최근 들어 이제동과 김택용이 라이벌과 같은 양상으로 떠오르고 있습니다만 두 분의 생각은 어떤가요.

강민=저도 그렇게 생각합니다. 현역 시절 이윤열 선수와 제가 경기를 하면 '광달록'이었고 마재윤 선수와 경기하면 '성전'이라고 불리긴 했지만 완벽한 라이벌 구도는 아니었던 것 같아요. 팬들의 주의를 환기할 수 있는 경기라고 생각되기는 했지만 완벽한 상승 곡선에서 충돌했다고는 볼 수 없죠. 그렇지만 이제동과 김택용은 상승세를 타고 있는 선수들이고 최고의 자리를 지키고 있기 때문에 임요환-홍진호의 대결 구도와 흡사합니다.



박용욱=WCG 한국 대표 선발전을 중계하면서 못된 생각을 한 적이 있어요. 이제동과 김택용이 결승전이 아니라 3-4위전에서 붙길 원했던 거죠. 두 선수가 1, 2위 쟁탈전에서 만나면 이미 태극마크를 획득한 상태이기 때문에 안정감을 갖고 경기를 하잖아요. 그런 양상도 물론 좋은데, 더 좋은, 최상의 경기력을 선보이려면 탈락의 고비가 존재하는, 배수진을 칠 수밖에 없는 상황에서 붙었으면 하는 바람을 가졌습니다. 독한 생각이었죠. 하하하.

강민=만약 그랬다면 누가 이겼을까요. WCG 4위의 저주도 있던데. 그렇게 한 명을 묻기에는 두 명이 갖고 있는 잠재력이 대단하기 때문에 아깝다는 생각이 드네요.

박용욱=옛날에 '부커진'이 있다는 이야기를 많이 했잖아요. 그런데 부커진은 없더라고요. 두 선수가 결승에서 맞붙은 적이 없으니까요. 이벤트전을 제외하고요. 사실 김택용과 이제동의 3-4위전을 제가 중계했다면 혈압이 높아져서 터졌을 거에요. 하하하. 정말 즐거웠을 것 같은데 아쉬워요.

강민=프로리그 결승전에서 붙을 수 있었다고 하더라고요. 이번 광안리 결승전에서 정명훈이 이제동에게 졌다면 최종 에이스 매치에서 화승은 또 이제동이 나서고, SK텔레콤은 김택용을 출전시킬 생각이었다고 인터뷰에 나온 적이 있죠.

박용욱=그렇게 됐다면 희대의 명경기가 나오지 않았을까 해요. 둘 다 지기 싫어하기로는 현역 최강이니까요.

DES=김택용과 이제동의 강점에 대해 해설자의 입장에서 분석해주시죠.

강민=일단 손 빠르고, 상황 판단 좋고, 맵에 대한 이해도가 높죠. 이번 프로리그 결승전에서 김택용이 한 경기밖에 출전하지 않았지만 '단장의능선'에서 펼친 경기를 보면 환상적이었죠. 본진 밖에 파일런을 건설하고 안에다가 게이트웨이를 지은 뒤 흔드는 플레이는 어지간히 연구를 많이 하지 않은 선수들은 모르는 심시티죠.

박용욱=코치가 되고 난 뒤에 얼마 되지 않아 김택용이 이적해서 SK텔레콤 유니폼을 입었어요. 상견례가 끝나고 본격적으로 연습하는데 손놀림이 정확하고 깔끔하더라고요. 특히 저그전에서는 시작부터 20분이 넘는 시간까지 거의 비슷한 패턴으로 흔들기에 들어가는데 경악이었죠.



강민=이제동의 장점은 승부욕입니다. 같은 팀으로 활동한 적이 없어서 서먹하지만 가끔 경기 전에 대기실에서 말을 걸어 보면 해맑은 웃음을 짓고 있어요. 그런데 경기 부스에만 앉으면 눈빛이 먹이를 사냥하는 사자처럼 변합니다. 요즘 말로 '짐승돌'이 되죠.

박용욱=이제동의 눈빛을 강조하셨는데 저는 피지컬을 강점으로 꼽고 싶어요. 김택용의 손놀림도 최상급이지만 이제동은 정말 대단한 피지컬을 갖고 있다고 평가합니다. 전에 박용운 감독이 정명훈과 이제동의 경기를 앞두고 '퀸의 활용법에 대해 고민해보자'고 저그 선수들에게 말씀하신 적이 있어요. 내부적으로는 디파일러는 유행이지만 퀸에 대해서는 전략적인 활용도가 떨어질 것이라는 답을 냈거든요. 그런데 딱 그 타이밍에 프로리그에서 이제동이 정명훈을 상대로 디파일러의 다크 스웜과 퀸의 인스네어를 동시에 쓰는 거에요. 허를 찔렸죠. 이제동의 무서움이 한 번에 드러난 경기였죠.

DES=두 선수가 앞으로 e스포츠의 아이콘으로 성장할 가능성에 대해 고민을 해보죠. 임요환과 홍진호 이후 이윤열, 최연성, 마재윤 등이 각 팀을 대표하는 스타 플레이어로 자리 잡았지만 대중적인 인기는 임요환만한 선수를 만들어내지 못하고 있다는 지적이 있습니다.

강민=틀린 이야기는 아닌 것 같아요. 임요환과 홍진호 이후 팀을 대표하고 e스포츠계의 최고 선수로 인정을 받은 스타들은 있지만 큰 영향력을 미치지 못했죠. 임요환으로 대두되는 e스포츠의 아이콘 자리를 누가 이어받을지 모두가 고민해야 할 시점이에요. 이제동과 김택용, 이영호 정도가 차세대 주자로 떠오르고 있지만 팀과 e스포츠계를 넘어야 서야 하는 이슈 메이커가 되어야죠.



박용욱=기업팀으로 바뀐 뒤 사회 활동은 늘었지만 광고 출연이나 대외 인지도 측면이 축소된 것 같아요. 대외 활동도 하면서 성적을 꾸준히 내야 한다는 조건이 생겼죠. 또 선수들의 사이클 변화도 매우 컸고요. 3년 이상 톱의 자리를 지키는 선수들이 줄어들면서 생명이 다시 짧아진다는 생각이 들어요. 이제동이나 김택용, 이영호 모두 현재와 같은 페이스를 더 이끌어야 한다는 책임감을 가졌으면 좋겠네요. 기업팀들도 광고 모델이나 대외 활동에 이 선수들을 적극적으로 활용하고요.

◆종족 의무 출전제
DES=최근 데일리e스포츠에서는 종족 의무 출전제와 관련한 투표를 진행하고 있습니다. 박용욱 해설 위원은 아직 프로리그 중계를 맡은 적이 없지만 코칭 스태프로 활동하면서 누구보다도 고민이 깊었을 것 같고 강민 해설 위원은 중계하면서 팀과는 다른 입장의 고민을 했을 것 같은데요.

박용욱=종족 의무 출전제가 생긴 배경을 생각해야 할 것 같아요. 2008시즌을 마치면서 팀플레이가 사라졌잖아요. 일단 팀플레이는 더 많은 선수를 출전시키고 팀도 많은 선수를 보유해야만 운영이 가능한 시스템이에요. 그런데 폐지되면서 많은 선수를 보유할 의무가 없어졌어요. 즉 몇 명에 의존해서, 한두 종족에 의존해서 팀을 꾸려도 되는 상황에서 발의됐습니다. 일단 저는 유지되어야 한다고 생각해요.

SK텔레콤의 예를 들어보면 명확해집니다. 08-09시즌 1라운드에서 저그가 전패를 했어요. 당장 답을 내기 어려워서 MBC게임 히어로에서 정영철을 영입했죠. 그 이후 서서히 살아나기 시작했고 4, 5라운드에서는 5할을 넘겼어요. 이 과정에 답이 있다고 생각해요.



강민=찬성과 반대의 의견을 내기 보다는 다른 쪽으로 답을 찾을까 합니다. 종족 의무 출전제는 승자연전방식으로 치러진 위너스리그에서는 적용되지 않았죠. 그 기간 동안 각 팀들은 4, 5라운드를 대비해 보강할 수 있는 기간을 벌었어요. SK텔레콤 저그도 강화됐고 KT 프로토스도 우정호를 발굴하면서 나아졌죠. 웅진도 임진묵이 선전하면서 그럭저럭 밸런스를 맞췄습니다. 만약 프로리그 방식도 7세트로 증가되고 종족 의무 출전을 1명씩만 배치한다면 또 다른 해법을 찾을 수 있겠죠. 종족 의무 출전제에 대한 부정적인 측면을 강조하기 보다는 해법을 찾으려는 노력이 필요하다고 봅니다.

박용욱=강민 선배가 좋은 의견을 주셨네요. 세트를 늘려서 종족 의무 출전제를 적용하면 종족별 밸런스도 맞출 수 있고 특징도 살릴 수 있겠네요. 사실 스타크래프트가 세 종족으로 이뤄져 있다고 해서 모두 살릴 필요는 없습니다. 그렇지만 게임단 규모의 급격한 감소로 인해 대거 은퇴하거나 한두 종족만으로 시즌을 끌어가는, 어찌 보면 편법 운영은 막아야 한다고 봅니다.

강민=또 하나의 해법이 있습니다. 용욱이가 오늘 중계했던 맵테스트 프리매치도 매우 중요한 의미를 갖습니다. '배틀로얄'이라는 맵처럼 저그전만 죽어라 나오도록 맵이 만들어지는 것은 막아야죠. 종족 의무 출전제와 같은 종족전은 직접적인 상관 관계는 없습니다. 그렇지만 맵이라는 변수가 포함되면 동족전 증가에 기여(?)를 하게 되죠. 세 종족 모두 밸런스가 맞는 맵이라면 동족전이 나오든 다른 종족간의 경기가 나오든 시청자나 팬들은 즐겁게 볼 수 있죠.



DES=두 해설 위원께서 좋은 말씀을 해주셔서 즐겁게 한판 토론을 벌였습니다. 좋은 아이디어를 내주셔서 감사하고 이 인터뷰를 보는 관계자들에게 전달되기를 바랍니다.

강민과 박용욱의 더블 인터뷰를 마친 시간은 밤 12시30분. 해설자 일을 시작하면서 박용욱은 용산에 새로 방을 얻어 자취를 시작했고 강민은 MBC게임 사람들과 약속이 있다며 다시 여의도로 향했다. 늦은 밤까지 자리를 빛내준 두 해설 위원에게 외전을 빌어 감사의 뜻을 다시 한 번 전한다.

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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
September 12 2009 20:57 GMT
#2
I really love this series, thanks again.

They talked endlessly even without having to drink beer.


Amazing! Gamers being social without alcohol!
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
September 12 2009 21:17 GMT
#3
personally i think its nice to see them praise (P)Bisu so much. it was expected from (P)Kingdom since he coached KTY, but now that i think about it (P)Nal_rA has written a couple of articles where he praises (P)Bisu's decision-making, i think one of the articles was (P)Bisu vs (Z)Nal_keke, where (P)Bisu survived a 5 pool. the other one was (P)Bisu vs (T)Light i believe? fairly sure.

i mean, i would have initially thought that the old schoolers would feel like the newer generations owe them a bit, as far as creativity, basics, and execution are concerned. but no...(P)GARIMTO also lauded (P)Kal for his creativity. thats really cool...i mean its almost like they admit that KTY is far better than them at their prime...thats really really humble and modest. i wish they had asked him who their favorite protoss players of today are hehe
#1 Movie fan~ he's got so much skill it oozes out of his skin in the form of acne. ~family comes first~
faseman
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia215 Posts
September 12 2009 21:39 GMT
#4
Thanks for these 3 interviews. A good read indeed!
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
September 12 2009 21:42 GMT
#5
Nice series.
Thanks for the translation!
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
saikeraku
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada2933 Posts
September 12 2009 21:46 GMT
#6
Thanks for the translation.
Great interviews.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
September 12 2009 21:47 GMT
#7
Thanks very much for the translation. With two of my all time favourite players, it's been a great read. Cheers.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
September 12 2009 22:37 GMT
#8
Between the drinking and the fried food, I never knew Kang Min lived such an unhealthy lifestyle! XD

These are great interviews, though. Thanks a ton!
Oh, my eSports
ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
September 12 2009 22:39 GMT
#9
This was nice to read and hear from their perspectives, thanks so much for the translation and the effort you put into it.
♣ Jaedong. Stork. Bisu. Calm. NaDa. SC2: Sen, MKP, DRG, MMA, Grubby, NonY, Ret, Jinro, TLO, Sheth, HayprO, Zenio,Taeja,Snute, Sea, Rain, MC,Squirtle,Stephano,Parting ,Life, and HEROOOOO <3
Triple7
Profile Joined April 2009
United States656 Posts
September 12 2009 22:51 GMT
#10
Great articles! Thanks for spending so much effort translating them.
지지이이이이이이이이이이이
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
September 12 2009 23:03 GMT
#11
Personally I'd like to see Bo7 Proleague with less matches per week, that way the players aren't dead when they walk into the booth. The top players all mention how they have to balance their health and their careers; that's kind of unfortunate, less games means they'll have more time to rest, take classes, w/e. Of course, that'd actually make sense and Kespa makes the rules.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
September 12 2009 23:49 GMT
#12
rA, you're such a cool cat

but your jeans are such a fail.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
September 13 2009 02:11 GMT
#13
Kingdom= Those two has never met in a finals. Except event matches. If I had to commentate Bisu vs Jaedong for 3rd place match, I think I would have exploded from high blood pressure


lol!

dedicated translating

thankyou =]
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
September 16 2009 15:20 GMT
#14
typo in last line: think -> thank =p other than that, great translation
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
September 16 2009 15:50 GMT
#15
thanks for translating again dude !! :D:D:D

some spelling errors but whatever
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
zeppelin
Profile Joined December 2007
United States565 Posts
September 16 2009 16:12 GMT
#16
"I think another solution is to have Bo7 in proleague and requiring at least one player for each race. Instead of being negative about the race requirements, I think it's better to look for a solution."

omg omg omg nal_ra and I think alike :D
Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
September 16 2009 16:33 GMT
#17
On September 13 2009 08:49 Last Romantic wrote:
rA, you're such a cool cat

but your jeans are such a fail.


I like his outfit, looks very dreamerish :D
This is real life, where nerds must battle!
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 16 2009 16:40 GMT
#18
THANK YOU <3
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
September 16 2009 17:01 GMT
#19
goddamn I love these articles

Kingdom + rA = OMGIMGONNADIEFROMORGASM

Not to mention their honest insight is really great :D
dats racist
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
September 16 2009 17:03 GMT
#20
Holy crap congrats on Star l10f!
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