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am I misrepresenting?
On September 18 2012 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.
Your guys thoughts? Policy lynching one of the best town players day 1 =/= good idea. Like I'm all for policy lynching marv if he's alive past Night 3 (he's basically an auto N1/N2 NK for mafia if he's town), but that's about it. I propose a less-randomly decided lynch against iamperfection. Thoughts?
You did propose his lynch. A town player is supposed to lynch scum, so why would you propose his lynch? If you are proposing someone's lynch, it certainly is because you think he is scum. Or is it?
Hint hint there are several ways to react to that post in a townie manner. They were done just before you did.
Also, it's funny that Mementoss is supposed to be your strongest scum read when you talked so much about IMP. In fact, it's funny that you post this:
On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange.
but mementoss is still your scum read here:
On September 18 2012 10:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P
But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange. Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself. First post as in the rando lynch thing? Well that's not indicative of his alignment as far as I'm concerned, considering he mentioned it was pre-planned. What I find strange is his opinion on BH's case. Flips out very suddenly, and I'm currently reading it as scummy in context of the lack of contributions he's had so far. I'll need much more to vote him though. Top scumread's still U btw.
Your whole case on IMP is that he reacted to marv's case by cursing. You called that over the top scummy.
Your whole case on Mementoss is simply terrible to warrant a vote.
Hell, even your pressure-vote on austin wasn't the brightest of them. I mean, what can we get from that? That you are being useful by making others do their work?
And then you top it off with a pretty OMGUS.
:D
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am I misrepresenting?
YES
You did propose his lynch. A town player is supposed to lynch scum, so why would you propose his lynch? If you are proposing someone's lynch, it certainly is because you think he is scum. Or is it?
Hint hint there are several ways to react to that post in a townie manner. They were done just before you did.
Apparently my humor befuddles you. Shall I explain it or will you re-read it with the correct intent?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=3#59
On September 18 2012 12:52 Zephirdd wrote:Also, it's funny that Mementoss is supposed to be your strongest scum read when you talked so much about IMP. In fact, it's funny that you post this: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange. but mementoss is still your scum read here: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 10:00 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P
But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange. Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself. First post as in the rando lynch thing? Well that's not indicative of his alignment as far as I'm concerned, considering he mentioned it was pre-planned. What I find strange is his opinion on BH's case. Flips out very suddenly, and I'm currently reading it as scummy in context of the lack of contributions he's had so far. I'll need much more to vote him though. Top scumread's still U btw.
Yes and? I explained very clear my stances here. I am "leaning scummy" on iamperfection. MMtoss is my top scumread.
So are you suggesting that the second I declared MMtoss my top scumread, I must immediately tunnel the shit out of him when he's not posting and refuse to peruse other reads? Cause it sounds like it.
Your whole case on IMP is that he reacted to marv's case by cursing. You called that over the top scummy.
Your whole case on Mementoss is simply terrible to warrant a vote.
Hell, even your pressure-vote on austin wasn't the brightest of them. I mean, what can we get from that? That you are being useful by making others do their work?
And then you top it off with a pretty OMGUS.
:D
Yes that is my whole case on IMP. Me and BH find it scummy. For some reason, you do not.
You have not yet explained why my "case" on mmtoss is bad.
My "pressure" vote on austinmcc served it's purpose - got him to post his rationale for his sheeping on the BH case.
You sound like you want me to write a multi-paged meta-dissertation on all my early D1 scumreads.
Call it an OMGUS, but you're my top scumread now. This is a terrible case, and you've been misrepresenting me for the last three posts.
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tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you.
How do you go from over-the-top scummy into 'leaning scum'?
I am suggesting that you should push your scum read when you have a freaking scum read.
Your case on him is that you think he is wishy-washy. that's it. Apparently, being wishy-washy day1 is scummier than the over-the-top scum. Before you say it, I'm not misrepresenting anything here.
On September 18 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote:@ mmtoss - Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote:Alas! Austinmcc is at work so we won't be hearing from him for a while. One other post did catch my eye though: On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. 1 It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. 2 If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. 3 But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic: 1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier! 2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?) 3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him) 4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc. 1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy? 2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day. 3) Nothing to do with one another. 4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy. I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol. Point 1) is fine alone. It's the rest of your post that starts spiraling. Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it. Point 4 is a red flag for me in that you are soft-pushing suspicion on him. For reference: Show nested quote +But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Dayyyyum son. ##Vote mementoss
On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game. On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Geebus why are you flipping out? what? " you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on." Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo.
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On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote:
tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you.
How do you go from over-the-top scummy into 'leaning scum'?
Ok now you're just dense.
My posts on iamperfection this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=3#59
Sarcastic proposal mimicing the language IAMP's proposition.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=7#137
"over the top AND scummy" , NOT "over-the-top scummy"
****you're misreading the shit outta this****
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=8#143
"doesn't strike me as particularly townie"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=8#149
"leaning scummy"
Any contradictions here? May I borrow your beer goggles?
I am suggesting that you should push your scum read when you have a freaking scum read.
Hmmm... so I'll push MMtoss when he's not in the thread. That's so productive! Why didn't I think of that?! I'll get PLENTLY of stuff done on day 1 by attacking a player who isn't here! OMG you're so good! =D
(/scarcasm since you missed my last bit of humor)
I pushed MMtoss as much as I could while he was in the thread. He is not in the thread, therefore I'll pursue other reads.
Your case on him is that you think he is wishy-washy. that's it. Apparently, being wishy-washy day1 is scummier than the over-the-top scum. Before you say it, I'm not misrepresenting anything here.
And again, you misread the shit out of my posts. I said a post by IamP "over the top AND scummy" , not "over-the-top scummy."
Secondly, my "case" is based more than on just him being wishy-washy. He soft-pushed suspicion on austinmcc, made excuses for his early vote even though it was not suspicious, and on top of all that was overall very wishy-washy. This, in my mind, is a perfectly legitimate reason to pressure someone on Day 1, given that all those actions are considered scumtells.
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On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote:
tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you.
But this is my cue to ignore you for the rest of the game. It looks like you're misreading the shit out of my posts and that doesn't necessarily make you scummy. It's equally likely that you're bad town.
Null for now, and back to mementoss. Looking forward to hearing from Ange777 and bluelightz who have not yet posted.
##Unvote
##Vote mementoss
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Oh lastly, can someone who is familiar with Zeph's meta tell me if he's capable of making horribad cases as town? The confirmation-bias in his posts makes me think so, but I'd rather hear it straight from a vet or two.
G'nite folks.
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Speaking of which, I want everyone's opinions on hapahauli. You dont have to tell me he is scum, Ijust want to see more people talking.
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Why is the case on prplhz good, Zeph?
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Good morning guys!  Catching up now ...
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Ok, after reading the thread there are a few matters which strike me.
prplhz
On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, you literally stopped posting when I posted the case on you, so there's that. Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down. I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy. As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in. Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.
austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now. Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him. marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game. We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more.
Actually I am not that sold on the effort in scum hunting he has done. I was equally suspicious of his first post as the last game I played with him had the exact same kind of starting post. After having defended himself against Blazinghand's case he proceeded to give us 3 town reads and stated that he is suspicious of marv due to the lack of posts. The case generated so much discussion that I find it unlikely that all he gained from it was town reads. Where are your scum reads?
@Blazinghand: I liked his explanation for the starting post as well but your case was not just based on the starting post but on his lack of activity/scum hunting as well. So why switch off of him? It seems like an easy way to change your vote even though he has not delivered what you were asking from him: scum hunting.
iamperfection
On September 18 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P
But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange. Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself. people that defend me frighten me.
So are you saying Mementoss is scum for defending you?
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Blazinghand
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On September 18 2012 17:26 Ange777 wrote:
@Blazinghand: I liked his explanation for the starting post as well but your case was not just based on the starting post but on his lack of activity/scum hunting as well. So why switch off of him? It seems like an easy way to change your vote even though he has not delivered what you were asking from him: scum hunting.
A fair point: but the day is young. My vote is a limited resource, and I felt it more valuable at the time to be used on iamperfection (and it certainly did get him moving). If I don't hear anything useful from prplhz by the morning, he'll probably get my vote back. His profoundly unhelpful replies to my vote and comments so far put him on par with prplhz in terms of "not contributing to scumhunting efforts", especially given the activity of both players in the thread.
So, currently I consider iamperfection a scummier and more important lynch target, but by no means have I absolved prplhz. He's taken some steps in the right direction but currently only doesn't have my vote by the grace of iamperfection's astounding play so far. I'm not trying to hedge here, but at the time I moved my vote over to iamperfection it was necessary due to his low post count to get him to start playing, and I stand by that action and the subsequent results.
In any case, Hapa has been stirring up a few vats since I've been gone, so I'm gonna go over the exchange between him and Zephirdd. I do recall Hapa playing actively as scum so don't let that fool you, one way or the other.
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Blazinghand
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Zephirdd you need to read both sections of this
Zeph
Zeph, I get why you're all up in Hapa's ass regarding his reaction to iamperfection. You'll note, however, that I also reacted similarly to iamperfection's BS (though not right away). I recently put a vote on him, just quoting his sole post. What's your reasoning for not applying the Zephirdd rule to me as well?
On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote:
tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you.
Far be it from me to tell a guy not to tunnel but on its face this is a bad statement. Sticking dogmatically to it will only hinder us. Here's how you can tell you're getting tunnel vision:
On September 18 2012 13:52 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +Your case on him is that you think he is wishy-washy. that's it. Apparently, being wishy-washy day1 is scummier than the over-the-top scum. Before you say it, I'm not misrepresenting anything here. And again, you misread the shit out of my posts. I said a post by IamP "over the top AND scummy" , not "over-the-top scummy."
Whatever scumminess Hapa may or may not have, you're clearly misrepresenting what he said, either willingly or willfully. Let's take a look at Hapa's original post that we're addressing:
On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:
"you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on."
Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo.
It's immediately obvious that Hapa is saying "this is scummy because it is over the top", not "the scumminess level of this is over the top" to anyone who reads it objectively. Either you're grasping at straws for your case or your willfully trying to deceive us. I actually don't believe you're trying to deceive us, Zephir, because a deception of this level is utterly retarded and although you have your shortcomings as a player, being differently abled mentally is not one of them. The misinterpretation is an honest mistake/misreading, making this a null-tell, not a scum-tell as Hapa makes it. No player in his right mind, scum OR town, would straight-up lie TO Hapa about what he wrote.
Zephirdd, if you want to be useful to town, take a step back and write a DECENT case on your top scumread (I guess Hapa). There *is* stuff to write about, but don't just assume literally everything he does is scummy and proceed from there. It makes your cases asinine and as likely to hit town as scum.
Hapa
Currently, Hapa is not on my scum radar. Let me explain this. Most of Zephirdd's case against him is fluff and slander, and for whatever reason, Zeph you've pissed him off enough to vote you (Hapa should be smarter than that) as a result.
On September 18 2012 12:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Ya know what I will pursue it. Why are you lying? Why are you blatantly misrepresenting my actions from my filter?
##Unvote
##Vote Zephirdd
This to me is unsettling, but not scummy. I think Hapa should be smarter than this as town, and it turns out, yes, he is:
On September 18 2012 13:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote:
tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you. But this is my cue to ignore you for the rest of the game. It looks like you're misreading the shit out of my posts and that doesn't necessarily make you scummy. It's equally likely that you're bad town. Null for now, and back to mementoss. Looking forward to hearing from Ange777 and bluelightz who have not yet posted. ##Unvote##Vote mementoss
The misreading of the posts and the misrepresentation don't necessarily make more sense from a scum perspective than from a town perspective. Hapa backing off here and switching onto mementoss is something a town player would do, because a town player recognizes the possibility of townies make mistakes. I'm not a fan of the mementoss wagon, but this move by Hapa is why I suspect the two of you are probably townies butting heads for no real reason. I'm not gonna start handing out townie hall passes, I'm just saying that two people disagreeing doesn't mean 1 town 1 scum situation.
Zeph, harken back to GSL Open and think about your interaction with Marv that game, and see if there are some similarities here. And you know what? Maybe it's not like that, maybe Hapa is scum, but if that's the case, don't make shitty case, make a real one. You've failed to convince me.
In any case, I see a town with a small number of highly active players who are naturally interacting and butting heads, and a couple more quiet players who either haven't started posting yet (bluelightz) or have started and are underposting (HiroPro, GK, Austin, Ange) either due to just getting into the thread or being quiet. And then there's prplhz and iamperf, who are my two scumreads.
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Blazinghand
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I'll be around for about a half hour before crashing.
Note: I swear to god Bluelightz if you try to lurk through a game that I'm playing in I will bring down the wrath of Athena upon you. The fact that your utter and total silence isn't a scumtell due to your crappy town meta should be an impetus to change, not an excuse to never post.
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On September 18 2012 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:
I'll be around for about a half hour before crashing.
Note: I swear to god Bluelightz if you try to lurk through a game that I'm playing in I will bring down the wrath of Athena upon you. The fact that your utter and total silence isn't a scumtell due to your crappy town meta should be an impetus to change, not an excuse to never post.
I'm not lurking, It's school and Sleep before now  .
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Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.
Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.
@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?
List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity.
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goodkarma will be replacing out.
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On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.
Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.
@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?
List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity.
Agreed, I've not done anything yet. Something decent to come when I get a decent chunk of time today.
Ange listed her entire history last game in GSL Open. Do your own research you lazy sod, especially when it was given to you just one bloody game ago. Funny how you forget so quickly.
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On September 18 2012 13:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh lastly, can someone who is familiar with Zeph's meta tell me if he's capable of making horribad cases as town? The confirmation-bias in his posts makes me think so, but I'd rather hear it straight from a vet or two.
G'nite folks.
Yes, he made the worst case in the universe on me last game.
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First, I think I should outline my main scum suspicions for now: Mementoss
So, basically, I don't think he's contributing.
On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874You hosted a game he was in. More MKFUBA games if you want + Show Spoiler +
Hey, here's some games on X, cheers! I think you obviously couldn't search em up yourself! (Scummy because he's just pointing out the obvious things: Filters of past games).
On September 18 2012 06:07 Mementoss wrote:
I think day one should be discussing what da bands name is gunna be
Clearly trolling is a fine way to start the game! (Read: Nope, it's bad because it's not helping to find scum and win)
On September 18 2012 06:34 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:28 prplhz wrote:
their*
So I am lying or what? I mean, I am not lying unless you think I am perfectly aware who mkfuba07 is yet claims not to be, is that the case?
Maybe you can actually explain to me who he is instead of coming up with a silly list that's readily available to me as well if I just go into his profile. I can do that on my own thank you very much. Thanks for the grammar lesson. Yes, I think if you hosted a game with the player was in it you would have an idea who he was. You asked about him clearly stating `there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is` in reference to MKfuba. Well, you sure made it seem like you were too lazy to find anything about him since you asked the thread about him. The only game I played with him was deathnote, he was active enough, but just seemed to sheep and not lead his own cases. Mostly a commentator.
Comments on meta of people are clearly helping us to win the game by killing scum! (Nope.)
On September 18 2012 06:36 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.
Your guys thoughts? Well you have no basis right now to think he``s scum, so how does this idea make any sense. Town wins by killing all the scum.
Well, this post is somewhat helping, by pressurign iamP for post's, but the other half is what? pointing out the wincons, cheers guys! I totally didn't know that. (Haha, no.)
On September 18 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote:
I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity.
Your guys thoughts? Policy lynching one of the best town players day 1 =/= good idea. Like I'm all for policy lynching marv if he's alive past Night 3 (he's basically an auto N1/N2 NK for mafia if he's town), but that's about it. I propose a less-randomly decided lynch against iamperfection. Thoughts? These are the kinda thoughts you keep in your head. Mafia purposely keeps marv alive, for a totally WIFOM, end game cause of what you said. Explain why you think iamperfection is mafia because of that post. No random lynches.
-First line: What the hell?
-Second Line: Somewhat helpful by pointing out what mafia does with the WIFOM around marv, doesn't help much in finding scum though till late in the game.
-Last line: This line is fine, pressures Hapa to post, the other statement is clear enough as well.
On September 18 2012 06:56 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I read it. It seems like you played with him alot and can really differentiate between his scum and town. It's not the most for sure case of all time, but the post felt scummy to me as soon as I read it and even moreso when I realized he hosted a game with MKfuba in it. He's the scummiest player so far. Iamperfection seems like noobie, why would mafia out themselves like that, also I think he is bitter because of his history with marv. ##vote: prplhzBlazinghand what do you think of hapa immediately coming to prplhz defence? + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:Hai gais! Good to be back in a mini so I can actually keep track of people more closely =) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874You hosted a game he was in. More MKFUBA games if you want + Show Spoiler + Prplhz isn't exactly the most attentive host... I was in that game, and he basically forgot to make the last nightpost for a couple of hours. I wouldn't expect him to remember half the players in that game tbh =P Also what do you think of this clear contradiction from prplhz: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? On September 18 2012 06:08 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 Mementoss wrote:
I think day one should be discussing what da bands name is gunna be name my band ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8f6HH.png)
*Agrees with someone*
*Tries to make connections with someone*
*Points out contradiction which he doesn't explain though it is clear*
Okay, this post mementoss is trying to find scum, but what is his objective by making a connection to Hapa?! (He's trying to possibly direct pressure off prplhz to Hapa, and confusing the lynch target for today)
On September 18 2012 07:01 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:55 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 06:50 Hapahauli wrote:
If mafia would like to keep hypothetical townie-marv alive to the endgame because of my "policy lynch," then awesome! Mission accomplished! Though in all seriousness, I've read through quite a few of his recent games. He never lives as town past N3 (barring Mad Men Mafia where he was a replacement) in his recent games. If he's alive a long time, there's a very high chance (IMO basically guaranteed chance) of him flipping red.
<3 everyone at all, but you need to look further. He's generally not being killed off for supersexy scumhunting, but because he comes off as very townie and is generating a lot of discussion/activity from others. His early reads, although I haven't read recent games, are not generally a big threat to mafia.
On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I don't know how anyone can munch on pudding. I DO kind of like that observation. It feels almost TOO obvious but...man it's kind of damning. TOO obvious, as in more obvious than Mattchew in LVII? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=14#261Nothing, can be TOO obvious. Thats like saying you don't think someone is scum, because there TOO scummy. Stop waffling, either you think its scummy or you think its not. Don't say things like "kind of like" and "TOO obvious but damning", your all over the place bro.
Denies the possibility of someone being town.
On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them.
Talks about someone while inserting a subtle finger onto austinmcc (Hey I think X is scum, but why not lynch Y instead?)
On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote:Alas! Austinmcc is at work so we won't be hearing from him for a while. One other post did catch my eye though: On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote:
... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize?
If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. 1 It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. 2 If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. 3 But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. 4 Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic: 1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier! 2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?) 3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him) 4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc. 1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy? 2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day. 3) Nothing to do with one another. 4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy. I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol.
Defend's himself, this is fine, as he is trying to prove he is town and indeed, not scum.
On September 18 2012 09:36 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Well, that means it isn't random because it was pre-meditated and thought out. Sooo, yeah.
Point's out something on iamP's reason's on marv (subtlely defending him?)
On September 18 2012 09:39 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:37 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:36 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game.On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Well, that means it isn't random because it was pre-meditated and thought out. Sooo, yeah. Believe it or not it did randomly come out as marv. oh I thought your meant you told marv you would be voting for him specifically in the next game.
acknowledges failure in understand iamP's reason's on marv, doesn't help find scum any how!
On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P
But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange. Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself.
Direct's more pressure on Hapa, So, now with this last quote I leave you with this question, Who is your main scum target memen? You voted prplhz, inserted subtle fingers on austinmcc, and is pressuring Hapa, who do you think is scum actually?
Oh, and ##Vote: Mementoss
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On September 18 2012 20:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.
Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.
@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?
List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity. Agreed, I've not done anything yet. Something decent to come when I get a decent chunk of time today. Ange listed her entire history last game in GSL Open. Do your own research you lazy sod, especially when it was given to you just one bloody game ago. Funny how you forget so quickly.
funny how you think i read that game
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