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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 23 2012 10:25 Ace wrote: You guys are boring me :/ Compared to the insults and arrogance you were throwing around in SS mafia, you've been pretty tame this game. Maybe you are boring us. Anyone else getting a weird feeling from ace? People who've played more than one game with him? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
MrZentor's early game was both agressive and annoying. His case on prplhz was pretty bad in my opinion and the self vote thing could mean absolutely anything (and, therefore, only causes confusion at this point). Still, the only game I've played with him he was scum, but his play was (at least initially) more calm and poised, so I am unsure what to make of this. I don't know whether I'd vote for him or not, gotta think more on it. Prplhz, you're being pretty quiet, which is a bit strange considering your early hustle with MrZentor. Forumite made a case on him and wants him lynched; can you comment on it? What do you think of MrZentor? Would you vote for him? | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 11:35 Radfield wrote: That is some weak sauce Zentor. Much of this I agree with, though not the last sentence. Zentor does not scream scum to me, at least not yet, and following this course through likely only nets us a dead townie. As you say yourself, only 1/3 of the players have even posted, so no need to be hasty. And now, you're indirectly accusing prplhz, even though there has been no case on him (besides Zentor's, which you implied was weak) and haven't made one of your own. What's up with that? + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote: I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come. ##vote Visceraeyes Also, you were the first to offer to vote VE (without an actual explanation as to why), and waited until someone else appeared voting for him in order to actually cast your vote. Is this merely a coincidence or were you waiting for someone else to accuse and vote him in order for yourself not to stand out? + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 22:26 Radfield wrote: I'm down with a VE vote at this point. On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote: I agree with Toad, enough about the masons. If in fact they exist, they have enough information and opinions to make their own decision. I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come. ##vote Visceraeyes | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I hope that MrZentor isn't the best we can do right now even though he's on the scummy side. @Radfield Why you want to vote VisceraEyes or me? | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:39 Sbrubbles wrote: Radfield, you are the one looking the most suspicious to me right now. On the Zentor/prplhz exchange, you defend Zentor, but agree with Forumite on Zentor's case on prplhz being weak: ... These are excellent points, sbrubbles. Thank you for pointing them out, my suspicion of Radfield has also risen because of this and I look forward to his response. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
game mechanics stuff: - Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town. - After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation). On to more important stuff in no particular order: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his "really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Therefore, his defense is moot, as Zentor might as well have gone for a new approach in his scum play. Also notice that his first post appears an hour after game start, enough time to discuss tactics in the scum QT. So if he was scum, it might very well be that someone else brought up the idea for this start of the game. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:39 Sbrubbles wrote: Radfield, you are the one looking the most suspicious to me right now. On the Zentor/prplhz exchange, you defend Zentor, but agree with Forumite on Zentor's case on prplhz being weak: Correct. I'm not sure what you find suspicious about that. Someone making a weak case is certainly no indication of them being scum, especially when that case is made in the first half of day 1. I didn't think Zentor's case was strong, yet I also didn't see Zentor as scum. However, both of those things may change with time. And now, you're indirectly accusing prplhz, even though there has been no case on him (besides Zentor's, which you implied was weak) and haven't made one of your own. What's up with that? Something about prplhz is tickling my senses, though I haven't reread the game yet. I started to last night, but was too tired to focus. So now I'm up early with the intention of putting in some time before work. Prplhz is simply a bit too quiet for my liking at any rate. Also, you were the first to offer to vote VE (without an actual explanation as to why), and waited until someone else appeared voting for him in order to actually cast your vote. Is this merely a coincidence or were you waiting for someone else to accuse and vote him in order for yourself not to stand out? My reasons are my own for voting VE, though they will materialize in the thread before the day is out. The short version is that I've played scum with VE lately, and so far this reminds me of that game. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote: ok, catching up. game mechanics stuff: - Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town. - After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation). On to more important stuff in no particular order: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his "really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction. This is the definition of a 'safe' post. Everything in this post is a popular opinion that has already been mentioned by someone else. It hits slightly on all the major points of this game, without going into detail on any of them. Zentor -> parroting Forumite and talking like Zentor is scum, yet not stating that explicitly nor voting for him. Visceraeyes -> following Toads lead(backed by me), and again indirectly talking as if Visceraeyes is scum(or SK), without actually saying it. Ace and Radfield -> again parroting others points and slinging a bit of mud towards two strong players, without actually calling them out. So phagga, what is your actual opinion here? You seem to think both Zentor and VE are scummy, yet are doing nothing about it. Additionally, I have responded to Shrubbles, what do you think of my response? | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
 ), but will do my best to be on both at lunch and after work today. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
 I can't make sense of MrZentor. I know that traditionally I'm biased when it comes to people accusing me. The thing about MrZentor is that I think that his initial aggression against me looks really fake and forced, I could easily write a bigger post on this. Is there anything about his initial aggression that seemed genuine to you? Do you have any reason to think he is on the townie side other than "scum don't usually attract attention to themselves like that"? | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On April 23 2012 19:29 prplhz wrote: @Radfield I was unavailable most of yesterday. You can read my last town game (Space Station) where I also play a more lurky style. You have a really bad habit of wanting to lynch me on meta when I'm town though, I remember you wanted to do this in .. Election Mafia? too. I can't make sense of MrZentor. I know that traditionally I'm biased when it comes to people accusing me. The thing about MrZentor is that I think that his initial aggression against me looks really fake and forced, I could easily write a bigger post on this. Is there anything about his initial aggression that seemed genuine to you? Do you have any reason to think he is on the townie side other than "scum don't usually attract attention to themselves like that"? I don't actually want to lynch you yet prplhz, but there is something about your play that is niggling me. As far as Zentor, he seems classically townie to me. Forumite was talking about how he was nervous and defensive, but I don't really see that at all. If anything, he seemed unconcerned with his defense, and unafraid of the ramifications of his actions. His case on you was a bit premature, but I appreciate the effort. Actually, upon rereading that part of the thread in context, his case does seem a bit forced. I think had forumite not pressured him to continue posting why he thought you were scum, he would not have posted his case against you. Again though, I don't really see it as a sign of scum. It's not a plus, but it's not enough to make me see him as scum. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
In his last (and only?) scum game (Death Factory Mafia 2), he was caught by an analysis exposing his passive non-committal posting. It looks to me like he's over compensating right here and that the attention is just a by product. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
1) His Town-bomb + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 14:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I think everyone who has posted so far is town. + Show Spoiler + Yes, this is me soft-claiming town. I look forward to hearing from Ace - after his untimely demise in SSM I didn't expect him to be back in a game so quickly. ^^ This is an incredible bad post for 2 reasons. Firstly because I already mentioned dropping the town-bomb like that is not helpful at all. Secondly it's totally useless. There's nothing in there. No explanations, it's along the lines "sup guyses, I think everyone is town, that's all". There is no use for that post unless he is mafia trying to get towncred by saying "hey guys, I told you they're all town" after the flip. It is literally nothing but VE trying to end the non-existing discussion. If it would be usual spam or trolling with no content I'd have no problem with that but that is a bunch of nothing with an agenda behind it and imo stopping the discussion like that, especially with so little else going on is a mafia agenda. And I am pretty sure Town-VE would have known that that post is not good making me think it's mafia-VE who screwed up while trying to get town-cred for calling guys town who will end up being town. 2) Whatever you want to call it + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 22:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he did react - by Forumite's estimation he reacted poorly and by my estimation he reacted in the manner I'd expect. In any case, I don't think he's a good vote and won't support it. *shrug* Do I tell you how to play? Oh wait...yeah...I do....... Okay, whatever. I won't do it again. Good enough? As mentioned I don't see a reason why a townie should do such a thing. He said he said he thinks zentor is town because he basicly wanted to stop forumite accusing / tunneling him (yeah he never said that, but that's what it comes down to). Why would a townie want to stop seeing reactiongs after only one "clash" of the two guys? Is his read already so sure that he no longer needs more info / reactions? Let's compare the situation with what I did 30 mins in the game: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:37 SamuelLJackson wrote: Hey forumite, what's your opinion on: Am I the only one that reads this a little bit like he's treating me as a nice townie already (read: a little more "confirmed" than I should be at the start of a game) when he should have no idea about my alignment yet? + Show Spoiler [rnd hilarious stuff] + On April 22 2012 07:27 prplhz wrote: , Toadesstern knows that this game essentially revolves around him. That's a troll, right? I'm going to be around for an hour or something like that, maybe two more hours, it's saturday after all. ---Toad That's me accusing prpl. I knew that the accusation is weak and probably means nothing, I thought about not posting that at all because he probably meant something else. I still ended up posting it because I thought, whatever, it's d1 maybe I'm getting a nice reaction and I did get a reaction from prpl. However I did not end up running around telling people "IT'S FINE, I'VE GOT THIS 1 REACTION, THERE'S NO WAY HE IS MAFIA" because it's just one reaction. Prpls reaction to me looked fine but frankly he's still a null read to me because that could very well be faked, me being wrong or whatever. Why is VE not thinking about those possibilites and why is he fine with stopping the discussion after such a short amount of time without a reason (aka the guy was not about to be lynched). I'd say he doesn't need to try and figure out who's mafia and who's town. 3) His meta He tends to try and lead town. His post count can not be a reason to think of him as mafia or town because of LII. Most people saw that game and most people still remember how disruptive VE and I used to be that game. That being said posting less and trying to be not disruptive at all seems like the way to go for mafia. He could easily point at LII and tell people "see people? That's how I play mafia! This time I am posting way less and I'm not disruptive/hurting town at all!". However, as mentioned that can not be a reason for judging his alignment, because frankly I hope he'd do the same as town as well and try to not be as disruptive :p So all we've got on meta is his style of playing the game and I think he is not playing his usual town style at all. As town he is trying to lead town lately. He has a lot of confidence due to his last dozen of games and people told him he's very good nowadays. I came into this game thinking "well VE will probably use this game as another platform, another piece in the puzzle to finally show everyone that he's not just one of the big names but also able to be one of the really big names. He's probably going to try and lead town hardcore to show people that he's that kind of player no matter of players who singed up". That's what I anticipated VE doing. I don't see that happening and even worse, I don't see him caring at all, not even slightly trying to show that he's an important player in this game. Imo that's not Town-VE but instead a mafia-VE trying to put on a farce, trying to look like he's modest or whatever. Therefore I voted VE and I am going to university right now. So I'll be back in something like 2 or 2,5 hours to answer questions I guess. --- Toad | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Right now i'm looking at Radfield, even if he stated that he 'wanted' to vote VE, this doesnt feel right to me, as an example in Im A Cop You Idiot Mafia, when Radfield was suspicious of BH he made a huge analysis of him. As someone other then me has mentioned, Ace is fairly suspicious as well, he has posted no scum hunting and just did role speculation through and through. Oh, prp too, he keeps on speculating on "HYDRAS HAS TO SIGN THEIR POST'S HURR DURR". I'm fairly confident there are town in these 3 people, this is just my suspicions on some people. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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