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Blazinghand
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Navillus
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On January 26 2012 13:22 bumatlarge wrote: I get the "calling people town" gig, but how would mafia figure out who each other are based on speculation? I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake? Mafia are going to find mafia based on reads rather then hints I would think. And above those, broadcasts are going to give them an edge. Seems kinda pointless. I would be curious as to what GGQ and jackal would know to look out for in the first game, but jackal was LOL, and GGQ for all intent and purpose was a townie. One thing that might be of interest is that last game Ace sent me a cryptic message about which player to vote to kill... unfortunately his hint applied to two different players... so I made a post in the thread asking him to analyse the two, hoping for clarification. So it's definitely possibly that mafia will attempt to directly communicate in the thread. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
I think the key and best part about it is that it leaves out varying degrees of townieness so that we don't have 6 people in the thread calling one person very town and then that person gets killed. It's not great medics since this game has a lot of newer players (or at least players I don't recognize) and if nobody's posting there townreads it's going to be harder for any medics to know who to protect, but this isn't that big of a deal and it will still be fairly to easy to just protect a town read. inb4 I'm scum for realising I was wrong about something. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
So the primary way of finding mafia is just by lynching players who aren't contributing to the town but aren't completely lurking. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Town, on the other hand, shouldnt be afraid of shots so they'll be the towniest towns. | ||
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GGQ
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On January 26 2012 13:53 Navillus wrote: RedFF I really would like to hear an actual reason that Rad's plan is bad, the best you've come up with seems to be "it's convoluted", which well, I honestly don't see a single confusing part of it, scummy = scummy not scum = the opposite, he's not using like new terminology, and that "not scum" is more letters than "town", which I'm going to assume was not a real argument. Insofar as neither of those are particularly convincing and I think that you're smart enough to realize that I'd really like to know why you actually don't want this to happen, it seems to have clear benefits to the town that have been outlined, do you have a problem with that? I don't like this last line. You're suggesting I'm scummy without voting me or explicitly saying I'm scummy. You're scum and you're time is running out baby. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
In my opinion, don't call people town/not scum, unless they're getting lynched or something. There's no point. Instead, just call people you think are scum, scum, and who cares about the others? Also, BH, even though there's a voting thread, we should still write our votes here. It makes things transparent, and let's us know in the context of the thread when someone is voting. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On January 26 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's the difference between calling someone town or not scum? Why call someone either, unless there's a compelling reason to do so? I don't get it. I can see you don't want scum to know that someone's considered town by everyone, but why bother even calling people town or not scum in the first place? In my opinion, don't call people town/not scum, unless they're getting lynched or something. There's no point. Instead, just call people you think are scum, scum, and who cares about the others? Also, BH, even though there's a voting thread, we should still write our votes here. It makes things transparent, and let's us know in the context of the thread when someone is voting. yes you're right if i vote i should do that. my bad oh no wait I already did vote and posted it in the thread how about that | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
And saying inb4 I'm scum for realising I was wrong about something. doesn't actually mean that it's not true, the way this reads to me is Rad came up with an objectively good plan for town, you went oh shit and tried to derail it, everyone said wait this is good for town wtf are you doing, and now you're backtracking because you know it's good and arguing against it will get you lynched. The thing is I don't see what you saw on reread that "changed your mind" you're just saying what you said was bad before is good now... ??? Vote: redFF | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 26 2012 13:24 Blazinghand wrote: ._. ._______. ._______________________________. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 On January 26 2012 13:25 Blazinghand wrote: guys there is a voting thread in case my hilarious smileys or the OP hasn't made clear http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 It looked like you were telling them not to vote here. Maybe I misunderstood. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On January 26 2012 14:05 GGQ wrote: We actually have no confirmation of any medics, and it looks like there's only one KP so there might not be a medic at all. Oh rad mentioned them in his post so I assumed they were in the op or something. On January 26 2012 14:04 GGQ wrote: About finding mafia, we can't rely so much on finding scum by linking players together. Even if scum gets lynched, we can't be sure whether their defenders were scum or misguided town because scum don't know (at least not 100%) who their partners are. So the primary way of finding mafia is just by lynching players who aren't contributing to the town but aren't completely lurking. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Town, on the other hand, shouldnt be afraid of shots so they'll be the towniest towns. I agree with the first part, associative tells will be pretty useless this game, at least not until later on after they've gotten a few messages through. It's going to be a lot like SK hunting, which isn't really very fun... Other than that I think we'll just see normalish scumplay of pushing mislynches and attempting to look town. There might be some hesitance to vote on to wagons for fear of lynching a buddy. Yeah there's a certain element of not getting shot but I don't think it will radically alter any scum's play. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Isn't this discussing scum strategy? OMG GGQ IS MAFIA. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On January 26 2012 14:10 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Then what was the point of this? + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2012 13:24 Blazinghand wrote: ._. ._______. ._______________________________. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 On January 26 2012 13:25 Blazinghand wrote: guys there is a voting thread in case my hilarious smileys or the OP hasn't made clear http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 It looked like you were telling them not to vote here. Maybe I misunderstood. They weren't posting in the voting thread. They didn't know it existed. I was informing them of the existence of a voting thread where they could post their votes and be able to you know actually vote | ||
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Navillus
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On January 26 2012 14:09 Navillus wrote: I am... confused, you say you reread it and changed your mind, but the part that you're saying is good is... the plan, as in the exact part you were arguing against 3 minutes ago. And saying doesn't actually mean that it's not true, the way this reads to me is Rad came up with an objectively good plan for town, you went oh shit and tried to derail it, everyone said wait this is good for town wtf are you doing, and now you're backtracking because you know it's good and arguing against it will get you lynched. The thing is I don't see what you saw on reread that "changed your mind" you're just saying what you said was bad before is good now... ??? Vote: redFF And now a decent wagon has built up you feel safe enough to vote me. Awesome, but wait, WHAT IF IM YOUR BUDDY? I took a step back, calmed down and read Rad's plan without immediately thinking OMG HE'S TELLING US NOT TO BE TRANSPARENT. BADBADBAD On January 26 2012 14:08 Blazinghand wrote: yes you're right if i vote i should do that. my bad oh no wait I already did vote and posted it in the thread how about that I don't like you very much. You're not very funny. On January 26 2012 14:11 Navillus wrote: Why would town be afraid of this? Just saw your post, I didn't want to vote right after you voted/accused me because I thought (and still think) that you would have just called it an OMGUS, now it looks like you've decided to be mad at me for NOT voting for, and I'm sure somehow my voting at this exact moment specifically proves I'm scum too. In other words, you are redirecting. What does that even mean? How am I redirecting? And yes, yes it does. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On another note, I am leaning very scummy on GGQ, he made one post on radfield's plan ostensibly defending it but ignored jackal and red going after it and then the second red backed down he tried to push the attention elsewhere. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
The redirecting would be the insane tunneling on me, the reason I wouldn't want that OMGUS would be because I wouldn't want to give you an easy way to redirect which was admittedly stupid, you're obviously going to make some bs case against me no matter what so I'm just gonna focus on getting you lynched.[quote]I'm not sure you know what redirecting means. So you're going to focus on getting me lynched not because you think I'm scummy, but because I'm voting you? Also I don't think you can call something 3 pages into the game tunneling. [quote]On another note, I am leaning very scummy on GGQ, he made one post on radfield's plan ostensibly defending it but ignored jackal and red going after it and then the second red backed down he tried to push the attention elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Scum don't know who their buddies are. Otherwise I agree, GGQ what do you think of the game's interactions so far? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On January 26 2012 14:32 redFF wrote: I'm not sure you know what redirecting means. So you're going to focus on getting me lynched not because you think I'm scummy, but because I'm voting you? Also I don't think you can call something 3 pages into the game tunneling. Scum don't know who their buddies are. Otherwise I agree, GGQ what do you think of the game's interactions so far? | ||
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