On July 22 2011 16:10 NeSE wrote: This guy is blowing my mind, I can't believe how heavily he is challenging our contract... Do I appear as if I would draft such a document illegally? Does that seem as though it can be profitable? Would I attempt to promote an organization that was THIS fraudulent? Why would I have wasted my time posting on a forum like Team Liquid?
The craziest part is, the NeSE as an organization was excited to present our first formal announcement of our own on Team Liquid this afternoon. "Oh the irony"
Oh I'm dense, then explained how you avoided this clause in a REAL license agreement:
5. Term. This Agreement shall commence on the date that the license is sent to you at your email address and thereafter shall remain in effect (unless and until earlier terminated as set forth in this Section) for one (1) year (the “Term”). Blizzard may terminate this Agreement immediately in the event that You: (a) commit a material breach any of representation, warranty or obligation made by You hereunder; (b) make or attempt any unauthorized assignment for the benefit of creditors, file any petition for reorganization, readjustment or rearrangement of Your business or affairs under the laws of any jurisdiction relating to relief of debtors, bankruptcy or insolvency; (c) suffer a receiver or trustee to be appointed for its business or property, or (c) discontinue Your business, or be adjudicated bankrupt or insolvent. In such an event, all rights granted under this Agreement to You shall immediately and automatically expire, and You shall cease all exercise of any rights granted under this Agreement, including without limitation the Tournaments and use of materials that use Blizzard’s trademarks or copyrighted content.
What I first said was rude and I apologize, I was out of line. As for the agreement, our contract is set up in the manner it is because of Blizzard's personal understanding of our organization. The details of that matter, quite frankly, are none of your business. The bottom line is, it is not there and its not there for good reason.
On July 22 2011 15:56 NeSE wrote: G2Wolf, I said you DID link other items, please try to read more carefully. Also, as I said before that is not something I was even aware of but I guarantee if you attempt to register at the link you provided your registration process absolutely will not complete. I can 100% assure you of this as this is much more involved with a merchant terminal than just a "Pay Now" button.
I linked to posts online saying they got scammed out of money. I linked to the working registration and the paypal account (which goes all the way up to the paypal login and page, so it definitely works [I'm not personally testing it]
Not to mention, the screenshot that pharside posted of sections1 and 2 of your license, do not allow you the right to broadcast your tournament (strictly states no internet streams, and yet you promise hq streams), and it doesn't allow for an online tournament (which yours is, except for the finals)
You both are 100% correct. Its hard to explain why this guy is still fighting the current, if I come up with anything, I'll PM you tomorrow as I've already reached my allowed cap today dealing with this guy.
On July 22 2011 15:56 NeSE wrote: G2Wolf, I said you DID link other items, please try to read more carefully. Also, as I said before that is not something I was even aware of but I guarantee if you attempt to register at the link you provided your registration process absolutely will not complete. I can 100% assure you of this as this is much more involved with a merchant terminal than just a "Pay Now" button.
I linked to posts online saying they got scammed out of money. I linked to the working registration and the paypal account (which goes all the way up to the paypal login and page, so it definitely works [I'm not personally testing it]
I absolutely did not see any link of someone posting saying they were scammed out of money by our event. That is one you will certainly have to re-link, if you don't mind. As I said before, if you were to fully complete that payment it would not go through to anyone. The PayPal account on OUR end attached to that merchant terminal is NO LONGER active.
Again, regarding the previous web site, I do appreciate you shedding light on the fact that this web site is still available. As I said earlier, we will be tearing this web site down As Soon As Possible and I can absolutely assure you of that. Aside from that, what else can I do to show you this is a legitimate event?
Assuming this isn't a scam, going by the 4 player groups, you still net gain half the entry fee based on the tournament model even in 1024 player brackets. So if it was true, the company would be profiting large amounts without sponsors, ad revenue and such. The math shown by multiple people show that the payout model would need to be changed even if this was a legitimate tournament to begin with. Unless they didn't explain it clearly because 6 rounds = 4096 people or $81,920. That makes an earning of $1,260 payout for the winner look like pocket change even if they did pay out every cent they promised.
A WHOIS search on the website returns some info: Created on: 15-Jun-11 Expires on: 15-Jun-12 Last Updated on: 19-Jun-11
Administrative Contact: Arre, Dannie arredannie@yahoo.com Silentium Enterprises 848 N. Rainbow Blvd Las Vegas, Nevada 89109 United States 702-998-8360 Fax --
A quick google maps search on the address returns nothing. There is no building for "Silentium Enterprises", I would expect a major tournament organizer to have some form of well established business or atleast a freakin building!
Dannie Arre's Experience VIP Host Drai's After Hours Privately Held; Entertainment industry
September 2009 – Present (1 year 11 months)
Drai's After Hours is the #1 After Hours club in Vegas. We have two separate rooms in a club, one half is the house side where we have some of the top DJs on the west coast spinning from 1:30am until a minimum of 7am but as long as the party is going the club stays open. We also have a VIP room featuring DJ Direct well-known and widely requested Hip Hop DJ, this room is private to bottle service clients and ladies only. Drai's has been bringing in the morning light on the Las Vegas strip for over a decade and it is no small wonder why it is the longest running club in Las Vegas. For reservations or guest listing or just to ask a few questions about the club or anything concerning the Vegas Night Life feel free to contact us.
so you are some random club owner in vegas? Sorry I don't feel you have the credentials to run such a tournament with shady math and no prior credibility. This is a fucking scam. Unless you can provide some real credentials, then I suggest that everyone stay away.
On July 22 2011 15:56 NeSE wrote: G2Wolf, I said you DID link other items, please try to read more carefully. Also, as I said before that is not something I was even aware of but I guarantee if you attempt to register at the link you provided your registration process absolutely will not complete. I can 100% assure you of this as this is much more involved with a merchant terminal than just a "Pay Now" button.
I linked to posts online saying they got scammed out of money. I linked to the working registration and the paypal account (which goes all the way up to the paypal login and page, so it definitely works [I'm not personally testing it]
I absolutely did not see any link of someone posting saying they were scammed out of money by our event. That is one you will certainly have to re-link, if you don't mind. As I said before, if you were to fully complete that payment it would not go through to anyone. The PayPal account on OUR end attached to that merchant terminal is NO LONGER active.
Again, regarding the previous web site, I do appreciate you shedding light on the fact that this web site is still available. As I said earlier, we will be tearing this web site down As Soon As Possible and I can absolutely assure you of that. Aside from that, what else can I do to show you this is a legitimate event?
You can try proving it's a legitmate event by disproving everything I and others have stated in this thread, and providing a valid tournament agreement. Until then.......
On July 22 2011 15:56 NeSE wrote: G2Wolf, I said you DID link other items, please try to read more carefully. Also, as I said before that is not something I was even aware of but I guarantee if you attempt to register at the link you provided your registration process absolutely will not complete. I can 100% assure you of this as this is much more involved with a merchant terminal than just a "Pay Now" button.
I linked to posts online saying they got scammed out of money. I linked to the working registration and the paypal account (which goes all the way up to the paypal login and page, so it definitely works [I'm not personally testing it]
Not to mention, the screenshot that pharside posted of sections1 and 2 of your license, do not allow you the right to broadcast your tournament (strictly states no internet streams, and yet you promise hq streams), and it doesn't allow for an online tournament (which yours is, except for the finals)
The part in the screenshot says that if Blizz was going to let them stream it, there would be a second document.
For some reason everyone seems to be taking a backwards approach at the way this system works. To be honest, I am trying to figure out why everyone is spending so much time attempting to figure out exactly how the system works.
Each round requires two wins in order to win that round. Based on feedback we are currently leaning towards making each round BO3, but we are currently dealing with this form of feedback instead. There is also a $1.25 million event that is being put together for the NeSE Finals in June 2012 and the NeSE is sponsoring other events. For example, the details were just finalized on an invitational event with ItsGoSu eSports where the NeSE will be providing a prize pool totaling at $1,750. It seems as though the opinion being displayed is that the NeSE is out for money or something along those lines. Then I have to ask, why would the NeSE be currently working towards making the registrations free? Doesn't really make sense...
On July 22 2011 16:27 NeSE wrote: There is also a $1.25 million event that is being put together for the NeSE Finals in June 2012 and the NeSE is sponsoring other events. .
On July 22 2011 16:22 jobebob wrote: Ok so after some digging here are some results.
A WHOIS search on the website returns some info: Created on: 15-Jun-11 Expires on: 15-Jun-12 Last Updated on: 19-Jun-11
Administrative Contact: Arre, Dannie arredannie@yahoo.com Silentium Enterprises 848 N. Rainbow Blvd Las Vegas, Nevada 89109 United States 702-998-8360 Fax --
A quick google maps search on the address returns nothing. There is no building for "Silentium Enterprises", I would expect a major tournament organizer to have some form of well established business or atleast a freakin building!
Dannie Arre's Experience VIP Host Drai's After Hours Privately Held; Entertainment industry
September 2009 – Present (1 year 11 months)
Drai's After Hours is the #1 After Hours club in Vegas. We have two separate rooms in a club, one half is the house side where we have some of the top DJs on the west coast spinning from 1:30am until a minimum of 7am but as long as the party is going the club stays open. We also have a VIP room featuring DJ Direct well-known and widely requested Hip Hop DJ, this room is private to bottle service clients and ladies only. Drai's has been bringing in the morning light on the Las Vegas strip for over a decade and it is no small wonder why it is the longest running club in Las Vegas. For reservations or guest listing or just to ask a few questions about the club or anything concerning the Vegas Night Life feel free to contact us.
so you are some random club owner in vegas? Sorry I don't feel you have the credentials to run such a tournament with shady math and no prior credibility. This is a fucking scam. Unless you can provide some real credentials, then I suggest that everyone stay away.
You are literally just a negative person. So because an individual doesn't have the credentials by YOUR standard they are not qualified to organize an eSports tournament? The linkedin you showed me is of a 25 year old individual who was a night club owner in Las Vegas? That is a pretty upstanding credential in my book. What were you doing at 25?
On July 22 2011 16:27 NeSE wrote: For some reason everyone seems to be taking a backwards approach at the way this system works. To be honest, I am trying to figure out why everyone is spending so much time attempting to figure out exactly how the system works.
Each round requires two wins in order to win that round. Based on feedback we are currently leaning towards making each round BO3, but we are currently dealing with this form of feedback instead. There is also a $1.25 million event that is being put together for the NeSE Finals in June 2012 and the NeSE is sponsoring other events. For example, the details were just finalized on an invitational event with ItsGoSu eSports where the NeSE will be providing a prize pool totaling at $1,750. It seems as though the opinion being displayed is that the NeSE is out for money or something along those lines. Then I have to ask, why would the NeSE be currently working towards making the registrations free? Doesn't really make sense...
I think the community would love to believe you're legit, however scams exists on the internet and we have learn to be critical of what we read. You are not known to the community, not backed by a big company and you're asking for money to register in your tournament. In order to work YOU have to give us reasons to trust you. ( how can we be sure that you will pay prizes etc?) A step on the right direction would be to post a youtube video where you present yourself, your team (i guess you're not working alone) , your office etc. You have all the time to make yourself legitimate, but it's goign to need more than a wall of text on TL and a website.
On July 22 2011 16:27 NeSE wrote: There is also a $1.25 million event that is being put together for the NeSE Finals in June 2012 and the NeSE is sponsoring other events. .
Sup CXG
Is this not direct proof that you're sole purpose is to be negative and attack our event? Here is what advice I have received from friends at other major organizers and I bid you farewell. Those who have any LEGITIMATE questions, comments or concerns about the NeSE PLEASE feel free to post here or on our forums. You can also email us at any time at esports@ne-se.com.
I will not be responding to any more negativity from this point forward you will simply have to wait for the announcements as everyone has suggested.
On July 22 2011 16:27 NeSE wrote: For some reason everyone seems to be taking a backwards approach at the way this system works. To be honest, I am trying to figure out why everyone is spending so much time attempting to figure out exactly how the system works.
Each round requires two wins in order to win that round. Based on feedback we are currently leaning towards making each round BO3, but we are currently dealing with this form of feedback instead. There is also a $1.25 million event that is being put together for the NeSE Finals in June 2012 and the NeSE is sponsoring other events. For example, the details were just finalized on an invitational event with ItsGoSu eSports where the NeSE will be providing a prize pool totaling at $1,750. It seems as though the opinion being displayed is that the NeSE is out for money or something along those lines. Then I have to ask, why would the NeSE be currently working towards making the registrations free? Doesn't really make sense...
I think the community would love to believe you're legit, however scams exists on the internet and we have learn to be critical of what we read. You are not known to the community, not backed by a big company and you're asking for money to register in your tournament. In order to work YOU have to give us reasons to trust you. ( how can we be sure that you will pay prizes etc?) A step on the right direction would be to post a youtube video where you present yourself, your team (i guess you're not working alone) , your office etc. You have all the time to make yourself legitimate, but it's goign to need more than a wall of text on TL and a website.
That is actually a phenomenal idea. Our YouTube Channel is www.youtube.com/USeSports. I am going to put together a video that introduces members of our staff that people can view on that YouTube channel. This is exactly why feedback like your's is valued and feedback like their's is a waste of time and energy.
On July 22 2011 16:22 jobebob wrote: Ok so after some digging here are some results.
A WHOIS search on the website returns some info: Created on: 15-Jun-11 Expires on: 15-Jun-12 Last Updated on: 19-Jun-11
Administrative Contact: Arre, Dannie arredannie@yahoo.com Silentium Enterprises 848 N. Rainbow Blvd Las Vegas, Nevada 89109 United States 702-998-8360 Fax --
A quick google maps search on the address returns nothing. There is no building for "Silentium Enterprises", I would expect a major tournament organizer to have some form of well established business or atleast a freakin building!
Dannie Arre's Experience VIP Host Drai's After Hours Privately Held; Entertainment industry
September 2009 – Present (1 year 11 months)
Drai's After Hours is the #1 After Hours club in Vegas. We have two separate rooms in a club, one half is the house side where we have some of the top DJs on the west coast spinning from 1:30am until a minimum of 7am but as long as the party is going the club stays open. We also have a VIP room featuring DJ Direct well-known and widely requested Hip Hop DJ, this room is private to bottle service clients and ladies only. Drai's has been bringing in the morning light on the Las Vegas strip for over a decade and it is no small wonder why it is the longest running club in Las Vegas. For reservations or guest listing or just to ask a few questions about the club or anything concerning the Vegas Night Life feel free to contact us.
so you are some random club owner in vegas? Sorry I don't feel you have the credentials to run such a tournament with shady math and no prior credibility. This is a fucking scam. Unless you can provide some real credentials, then I suggest that everyone stay away.
You are literally just a negative person. So because an individual doesn't have the credentials by YOUR standard they are not qualified to organize an eSports tournament? The linkedin you showed me is of a 25 year old individual who was a night club owner in Las Vegas? That is a pretty upstanding credential in my book. What were you doing at 25?
Yea but making people pay $20 upfront with payout given after the tourney ends IS something you need to have credibility for. Even IGN, who started out with a small $5,000 tourney, to test the waters, and that IGN they have money. What you are doing is asking us to take what you say on FAITH alone because you have nothing to back you up. Now you say that you are planning a $1.25 mil tournament LOL. The reason mlg is able to get away with entry fees is because they are fucking MLG, who are you and where are you getting this money from? Seriously dude
On July 22 2011 16:27 NeSE wrote: There is also a $1.25 million event that is being put together for the NeSE Finals in June 2012 and the NeSE is sponsoring other events. .
Sup CXG
Is this not direct proof that you're sole purpose is to be negative and attack our event? Here is what advice I have received from friends at other major organizers and I bid you farewell. Those who have any LEGITIMATE questions, comments or concerns about the NeSE PLEASE feel free to post here or on our forums. You can also email us at any time at esports@ne-se.com.
I will not be responding to any more negativity from this point forward you will simply have to wait for the announcements as everyone has suggested.
My sole purpose isn't to be negative and attack your event. My sole purpose is to prove you are a scam and I've provided plenty of proof that you never bothered to address and correct.
If you need explaining of my latest post, CXG was a huge event in 2004, promised hundreds of thousands of dollars, live finals in Las Vegas, ended up being a huge scam and the owner vanished with the money. Now if you seriously think we're not going to completely doubt your event when you appear out of nowhere, with no backing, promising tons of money with a live finals in Las Vegas, you're absolutely crazy. And so far, you've provided ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF to your legitimacy.
That post was half good feedback but then you started to just become hostile again, please just be more civil. I will sit here and answer questions all night long, all I am asking for is just a little common courtesy.
First and foremost, if I say we're going to put on that event, and we don't, do you stand to lose from the reputation? No. We do. So whats your point of even sharing your two cents? Regarding where we get this money from and what not? Its 2011, $1.25 million isn't what it used to be and frankly its none of your business or your concern where our current capital came from.
We also do not ask for faith, we show you our web site, you register and you get full access to that site. We also provide you with the scheduled dates so you know what you are paying for and when you are getting it. If you win a round and are eliminated in the future, it clearly states on the web site you will receive your prize amount with 7 to 10 days from the time you are eliminated. That is not waiting until the end of the tournament.
Why are there wow and halo scenes in your promotional video?
Great point actually, its a chopped video that we are still working on for final cuts, but there is good reason you see other games. The NeSE has plans to incorporate up to four more games next year into our exact tournament system if our first year is a success. Our commitment is to eSports in the US as I have previously stated, that does not mean ONLY StarCraft 2, as there are definitely other video games in eSports.
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