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Do not discuss gun control, or the right to own/use guns in this thread. Please take any such discussion to this thread or you will be banned.
Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 12:14:45
December 25 2012 12:12 GMT
#141
On December 25 2012 16:15 Flaccid wrote:
Honest question:

How can there be a thread with any real discussion involving a felon shooting a bunch of firefighters and not allow folks to talk about guns? I understand that people get pissy about it one way or another, but otherwise it's just 'well gosh that sucks' without really talking about anything useful.

I don't read General as often as I'd like, but do these threads just go full retard each an every time without accomplishing anything? I guess that'd make sense.


They just want to keep everything organized. This isn't the thread for gun control debate. This is the thread for people to discuss which psychotic method should have been used to dispose of this psychopath if he hadn't been such a "pussy" and killed himself.

Because we all know what the real tragedy is here...
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
December 25 2012 12:19 GMT
#142
I guess an arbitrary amount of time spent in a little box doesn't make a killer into a normal person.
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Sweetfrost
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden213 Posts
December 25 2012 12:37 GMT
#143
A volunteer firefighter and a police officer on christmas eve..
There are so many tragedies in the United States, I don't know what to say. My thougts with the families of course.
Before practice, we ate Kimchi soup made my MMA. His cooking has made me so depressed that I think we may lose GSTL." -Miya
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4460 Posts
December 25 2012 12:41 GMT
#144
On December 25 2012 20:51 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 19:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.

No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.

Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine.
50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.
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Alex1Sun
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 12:51:09
December 25 2012 12:44 GMT
#145
On December 25 2012 11:06 Xpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 11:02 KwarK wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

Because the majority of convicted killers don't murder firefighters on Christmas eve. It's an anomaly.


But they do have a tendency to repeat their crimes. Am I wrong in saying that? One could say that this particular criminal picked unusual targets and committed the crime at an unusual time..

It depends on what happens in prisons. Look up scandinavic countries. They release people from prisons, and most of the time the crime is never repeated and they become law-abiding citizens.
This is not Warcraft in space!
Diminisherqc
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada220 Posts
December 25 2012 12:46 GMT
#146
On December 25 2012 21:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 20:51 kwizach wrote:
On December 25 2012 19:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.

No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.

Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine.
50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.


... do you really think things are gonna pan out that way ? .Anyway your signature show me how much of fallatious argument you can come up with
Alex1Sun
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
494 Posts
December 25 2012 12:49 GMT
#147
On December 25 2012 21:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 20:51 kwizach wrote:
On December 25 2012 19:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.

No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.

Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine.
50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.

I think people in prisons should work hard and earn their living at least partially (or fully if they are skilled). Combined with proper counselling it actually may help them become law-abiding citizens faster (and it would be much cheaper for tax payers).
This is not Warcraft in space!
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
December 25 2012 12:52 GMT
#148
wtf
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Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 13:04:55
December 25 2012 13:03 GMT
#149
On December 25 2012 21:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 20:51 kwizach wrote:
On December 25 2012 19:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.

No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.

Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine.
50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.


Your argument would have validity. If, and only if the death penatly wasn't 10x more expensive than putting someone behind bars for life. It's such a common myth that the death penalty is cheaper than sentencing for life.
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
December 25 2012 13:13 GMT
#150
Seems disturbing. Why am I surprised this happend in USA?
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Hertzy
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland355 Posts
December 25 2012 13:22 GMT
#151
On December 25 2012 21:44 Alex1Sun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 11:06 Xpace wrote:
On December 25 2012 11:02 KwarK wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

Because the majority of convicted killers don't murder firefighters on Christmas eve. It's an anomaly.


But they do have a tendency to repeat their crimes. Am I wrong in saying that? One could say that this particular criminal picked unusual targets and committed the crime at an unusual time..

It depends on what happens in prisons. Look up scandinavic countries. They release people from prisons, and most of the time the crime is never repeated and they become law-abiding citizens.


I suppose it's a matter of how you approach the prison system. From what I have seen, Americans regard prison as an institution to punish people, where Scandinavians try to rehabilitate their criminals.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4460 Posts
December 25 2012 13:27 GMT
#152
On December 25 2012 22:03 Recognizable wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 21:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 25 2012 20:51 kwizach wrote:
On December 25 2012 19:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On December 25 2012 10:17 Gunther wrote:
I think the better question is why a convicted killer is released from prison.

It makes a good case for more death penalty enforcements thats for sure.

No it doesn't. No need for the death penalty if you can simply keep him in jail longer.

Taxpayers shouldn't have to fork out 50,000 a year for the rest of his life when a bullet costing a buck would do the job just fine.
50,000 a year will feed a good number of homeless people and maybe feeding those homeless will mean they also commit less petty crime.


Your argument would have validity. If, and only if the death penatly wasn't 10x more expensive than putting someone behind bars for life. It's such a common myth that the death penalty is cheaper than sentencing for life.

What is expensive about one bullet to the head?
The system needs to be streamlined.

I think people in prisons should work hard and earn their living at least partially (or fully if they are skilled). Combined with proper counselling it actually may help them become law-abiding citizens faster (and it would be much cheaper for tax payers).
Then they just undercut wages in the private sector.Growing all their own food is fine but actually manufacturing stuff that is then onsold in the private sector? well i am against it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 13:37:13
December 25 2012 13:30 GMT
#153
Probably got the gun from a legal owner. The same way kids (and other mass shooters) get their drugs and guns from the easiest source available, their parents.

A sad thing to happen at this time of year. Thoughts and prayers with everyone suffering some hardship at this time.
Skype: divito7
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
December 25 2012 13:37 GMT
#154
sigh..

another psychopath tearing other innocent peoples lives and families apart.

so fucking pathetic.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
December 25 2012 13:58 GMT
#155
On December 25 2012 13:13 jdseemoreglass wrote:
^^ Yeah, this is a country of 300,000,000+ people. Someone gets shot every day. Big shock.

By the way, I am still waiting on the OP to provide a source for his claim that the man had an assault rifle. I haven't been able to find any yet.


Funny how China which has a significantly larger population has 20x less gun related homicides. Literally.

Guess we can just blame population huh?

User was temp banned for this post.
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
December 25 2012 14:40 GMT
#156
On December 25 2012 21:19 TheSwamp wrote:
I guess an arbitrary amount of time spent in a little box doesn't make a killer into a normal person.

It is really like sitting a two year old in the corner and expecting them to come out the other end never to draw on walls again. I love the way you put this though.
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
December 25 2012 14:40 GMT
#157
On December 25 2012 22:37 Champi wrote:
sigh..

another psychopath tearing other innocent peoples lives and families apart.

so fucking pathetic.


another tragedy which could have been prevented if only we had more good guys with guns.

User was temp banned for this post.
I wrote a song once.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 14:59:35
December 25 2012 14:58 GMT
#158
On December 25 2012 23:40 AdamBanks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 22:37 Champi wrote:
sigh..

another psychopath tearing other innocent peoples lives and families apart.

so fucking pathetic.


another tragedy which could have been prevented if only we had more good guys with guns.

Yes, I hope we all learned a lesson here. Firefighters need assault rifles or better yet RPGs as standard equipment to protect themselves against psychos so scenes like this dont happen anymore.

Since you're from canada, i have reason to believe your post was sarcasm, but im not sure. Or maybe you meant more police officers. In any case, more guns is never the solution.

User was warned for this post
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 25 2012 15:04 GMT
#159

'Every time we have intense saturation coverage of a mass murder, we expect to see another one or two more within a week'

Hmmmm.
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
December 25 2012 16:16 GMT
#160
My hearts goes out to the families of the victims.
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