EPTA confirmed townie coordinating blues is brilliant. The only problem I can see is if scum impersonates medics. That could give away blue roles/leave our soldier vulnerable. Solution? Just have all medics protect the soldier for night 1. 1 Night of coordinated abilities is quite powerful and we'll have more info on Day 2.
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
A confirmed townie coordinating blues is brilliant. The only problem I can see is if scum impersonates medics. That could give away blue roles/leave our soldier vulnerable. Solution? Just have all medics protect the soldier for night 1. 1 Night of coordinated abilities is quite powerful and we'll have more info on Day 2. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
1. we dont know if there are more than 1 doctor which is kinda important 2. mafia can stack hits to kill the vig 3. vig could shoot doctor ruining everything 4. vig will probably hit town its rare you get a mafia on day 1 much less a successful day 1 vig here ar emore reasons i havent provided yet 5. mafia can use this to keep town focused on the blue network/suspicious of other peoples claims and put attention on the vig and off of post analysis which is what wins games for town what do you consider a real reason it would be nice if instead of unconditional instant support for someone elses plan which is mildly suspicious you read my posts and if my reasons aren't good enough at least say why instead of just saying "youre scum" lol "we've already found 2 scum" its day 1 dont be ridiculous | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if you read my posts i provided reasons 1. we dont know if there are more than 1 doctor which is kinda important 2. mafia can stack hits to kill the vig 3. vig could shoot doctor ruining everything 4. vig will probably hit town its rare you get a mafia on day 1 much less a successful day 1 vig here ar emore reasons i havent provided yet 5. mafia can use this to keep town focused on the blue network/suspicious of other peoples claims and put attention on the vig and off of post analysis which is what wins games for town what do you consider a real reason it would be nice if instead of unconditional instant support for someone elses plan which is mildly suspicious you read my posts and if my reasons aren't good enough at least say why instead of just saying "youre scum" lol "we've already found 2 scum" its day 1 dont be ridiculous 1. Why is that important? And how does that have any effect on the plan? 2. Well good, they stack hits and kill less people then. There's no net loss from confirming a Townie. 3. Vig is shooting who we were going to lynch anyways, so if that person was a Doctor then they were dead either way. 4. See point 3. 5. This forces Mafia to fake their claims, and every role in the OP is easily confirmable, giving more chances to find scum slipping. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:22 Curu wrote: 1. Why is that important? And how does that have any effect on the plan? 2. Well good, they stack hits and kill less people then. There's no net loss from confirming a Townie. 3. Vig is shooting who we were going to lynch anyways, so if that person was a Doctor then they were dead either way. 4. See point 3. 5. This forces Mafia to fake their claims, and every role in the OP is easily confirmable, giving more chances to find scum slipping. huge net loss lol 1. because 1 doctor protection is surpassable by 1 mafia stack 2. no its not good because now we have likely two townies dead at the town hands on day 1 for no reason as the "confirmed townie" is killed after wasting a town KP it's actually a pretty horrible first day and night for town 3. ok does that mean we're passing on the first day lynch is that even possible 5. vets and doctors are easy to fake imo because you cant confirm a doctor by town means without wasting a town kp which isnt worth it | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:25 sandroba wrote: How is that going to keep discussion focused on blues? We'll have 2 lynches to discuss and basically skip night 1. If you say it's rare to hit mafia that way day1 it's exactly the same way as a day1 lynch and we go straight into the next lynch with info from the flip/wagons. so we should kill more townies to get more information? the best thing to do imo is save the town kp for the end when it becomes safer to use, that's how games get won lol' it isnt a skip night 1 simple mafia stack hits on vig ruining everything no wthere are probably 3 dead townies and a wasted town kill power thats a great plan i support it 100%..... | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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South Africa603 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if you read my posts i provided reasons 1. we dont know if there are more than 1 doctor which is kinda important 2. mafia can stack hits to kill the vig 3. vig could shoot doctor ruining everything 4. vig will probably hit town its rare you get a mafia on day 1 much less a successful day 1 vig here ar emore reasons i havent provided yet 5. mafia can use this to keep town focused on the blue network/suspicious of other peoples claims and put attention on the vig and off of post analysis which is what wins games for town what do you consider a real reason it would be nice if instead of unconditional instant support for someone elses plan which is mildly suspicious you read my posts and if my reasons aren't good enough at least say why instead of just saying "youre scum" lol "we've already found 2 scum" its day 1 dont be ridiculous 1. Medics are basically the only problem I see at the moment. I don't think that qualifies as a reason to instantly discard the plan. 2. Having Mafia stack hits reduces their KP, which isn't a bad thing. We'll still have no overlaps on Night 1 from blues. 3. What? 4. That's the case on Day 2 as well. On August 02 2011 07:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if this happens which i hope it doesnt i really hope you're not suggesting he openly tells the blues what to do in irc/thread Another terrible attempt to stop the plan. Why would he be suggesting that? | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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South Africa603 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:44 Trotske wrote: why not pm...? This involves claiming. PM claiming = bad. | ||
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South Africa603 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so we should kill more townies to get more information? the best thing to do imo is save the town kp for the end when it becomes safer to use, that's how games get won lol' it isnt a skip night 1 simple mafia stack hits on vig ruining everything no wthere are probably 3 dead townies and a wasted town kill power thats a great plan i support it 100%..... If we consider that scum will have to stack the Day Vig, we're trading 1 confirmed town kill for 1 possibly scum kill. It's not a straight up loss and it will be a pseudo lynch effectively. I don't see how this plan will kill analysis either. | ||
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South Africa603 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:36 OriginalName wrote: This involves claiming. PM claiming = bad. How is it bad to claim to a confirmed townie? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Opposing sand's plan with no real reasons while defending himself like a mad man in IRC when he has no real reason to defend himself yet. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
There, that's my opinion if you think it's scummy then vote me. Draz post what was scummy in the irc chat please. | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so we should kill more townies to get more information? the best thing to do imo is save the town kp for the end when it becomes safer to use, that's how games get won lol' it isnt a skip night 1 simple mafia stack hits on vig ruining everything no wthere are probably 3 dead townies and a wasted town kill power thats a great plan i support it 100%..... Are you opposed to this plan in general? Or its use day 1? I fully support this plan day 2, and tentatively day 1 depending on town's conviction of the victim. After 24 hours if we don't have a strongly suitable candidate, I don't think we should use the day vig just yet. The soldier is the most powerful role for the town: a day vig that can confirm himself. Let's not waste it on someone who is sorta fishy/lurky just to get a confirmed townie. We can wait till day 2. I can't see mafia not double stacking the day vig night 1 if he is revealed. He provides an easy outlet for dt checks and the ability to coordinate all roleblocks and protections. If we wait till day 2, it'll be a lot clearer for the day vig to coordinate who to roleblock/kill/protect etc. Also if we wait till day 2, the night 1 DT checks will provide confirmed townie/scum. So if the day vig is doublestacked, he can pass his entire network to the confirmed townies. That way everything isn't completely destroyed if the day vig dies. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
Confirmed townie is definitely better. Have you heard how Ace talked about Masons in that Mafias #1 targets thread? It's because they're confirmed so easily. A confirmed townie is valuable, and that's just 1 person less to shoot at. Furthermore, even hitting a townie can give us a lot of information for our first official lynch. It also gives us new information to re-evaluate our thoughts. If he dies because mafia stacks, all the better. This means, if we miss, we killed 1 extra townie day 1, but also saved 1 extra townie night 1. Pretty even. If the Day Vig doesn't shoot, there is a chance that he gets sniped night 1, especially with all the talk about him. I think it's beneficial to have him shoot. The problem is... is there a Day Vig? o.O | ||
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