EPTSince we know how much KP Mafia has I very much doubt any of them are going to be able to claim Vig.
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Since we know how much KP Mafia has I very much doubt any of them are going to be able to claim Vig. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:51 Curu wrote: Huh? I don't understand your post. The confirmed Townie tells the player who he is going to shoot or protect, he doesn't tell all Medics what every Medic is doing. Since we know how much KP Mafia has I very much doubt any of them are going to be able to claim Vig. So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb? k here's an example. Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him. now mafia know's to not hit player x. I would be more open to this plan day 2 or 3. But all i see is 2 townies getting lynched and losing a dayvig and that person most likely dying the next night. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:50 heist wrote: Are you opposed to this plan in general? Or its use day 1? I fully support this plan day 2, and tentatively day 1 depending on town's conviction of the victim. After 24 hours if we don't have a strongly suitable candidate, I don't think we should use the day vig just yet. The soldier is the most powerful role for the town: a day vig that can confirm himself. Let's not waste it on someone who is sorta fishy/lurky just to get a confirmed townie. We can wait till day 2. I can't see mafia not double stacking the day vig night 1 if he is revealed. He provides an easy outlet for dt checks and the ability to coordinate all roleblocks and protections. If we wait till day 2, it'll be a lot clearer for the day vig to coordinate who to roleblock/kill/protect etc. Also if we wait till day 2, the night 1 DT checks will provide confirmed townie/scum. So if the day vig is doublestacked, he can pass his entire network to the confirmed townies. That way everything isn't completely destroyed if the day vig dies. Wait, what? No, there wouldn't be confirmed townies aside from the Dayvig unless you're risking letting the info fall into the hands of the godfather. Why would you suggest that? I understand picking townie isn't likely, but it's still a possibility we CANNOT rule out. There are confirmed scum through DT checks, but no confirmed townies. Also, day2 reveals a problem as well. If the DT checks the dayvig, he's essentially wasted a DT check. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:41 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote RedFF Opposing sand's plan with no real reasons while defending himself like a mad man in IRC when he has no real reason to defend himself yet. + Show Spoiler + [00:01] <alanismorisette> love is like a roll of tape [00:01] <alanismorisette> real good for makin 2 things one [00:02] <mig__> red making bad jokes at the start of games is a scum tell [00:03] <alanismorisette> ... [00:03] <alanismorisette> I DO THAT EVERY GAME [00:03] <alanismorisette> WHY DO PPL THINK THAT MAKES ME SCUM [00:03] <mig__> maybe you just always seem scummy [00:05] <alanismorisette> ... [00:11] <Lucidity> as a former scum buddy of red's [00:11] <Lucidity> I can confirm that he is scum this game [00:12] <mig__> what do you think of sandroba's plan lucid? [00:14] <Lucidity> i was going to suggest the same thing [00:15] <Lucidity> but we need to discuss it a bit more to ascertain whether the reward outweighs the risks [00:15] <Lucidity> if the day vig knows what he's doing I think it could be quite effective [00:15] <mig__> yea [00:16] <mig__> I think the positives far out weight the negatives [00:17] <Lucidity> we'll have to assume that some mafia will fake claim [00:18] <Lucidity> not doing so would be detrimental to them [00:18] <mig__> yes I think that is the best part [00:18] <mig__> is the possibility of them fucking up the fake claims [00:18] <Lucidity> But which fake claims have the potential to be hurtful to town? [00:18] <Drazerk> not sure how they can fake claim [00:18] <mig__> if an abnormal amount of roles are claimed it should be obvious to the day vig something is up [00:18] <Lucidity> only medic as far as i can see [00:19] <Lucidity> fake everything else only helps town in the long run [00:19] <mig__> well the mafias plan will likely be fake claim today then shoot day vig tonight [00:19] <mig__> just want to fake long enough that the day vig doesnt have them killed in the night [00:19] <Drazerk> which is why the day vig will need medic protection [00:23] <Lucidity> does dochelvetica ever use punctuation? [00:23] <Lucidity> I find myself out of breath reading his posts [00:32] <alanismorisette> ... [00:32] <alanismorisette> lol [00:34] <Curu> redFF made no jokes at the start of PTP [00:34] <Curu> and he was Town [00:35] <Curu> COINCIDENCE? [00:36] <alanismorisette> ... [00:36] <alanismorisette> didnt i make jokes? [00:36] <alanismorisette> i did [00:36] <alanismorisette> give me the wand imo [00:36] <alanismorisette> that was one [00:36] <alanismorisette> and i kept tlpdizing everything [00:37] <alanismorisette> thats why lanaia [00:37] <mig__> great jokes [00:37] <mig__> red are you actually trying to defend yourself on whether you made jokes or not? The fact that he is defending him so hard for such a simple joke is retarded. He is now fully on board with the Sand plan after he realizes how scummy it makes him look for opposing the idea and now is defending himself even more because of my pressure vote. + Show Spoiler + [00:48] <alanismorisette> hey draz [00:48] <alanismorisette> reasonless votes not good [00:48] <alanismorisette> post the irc chat [00:48] <alanismorisette> s [00:48] <alanismorisette> so people can see ur reasoning [00:48] <alanismorisette> Drazerk: [00:49] <Drazerk> want me to copy the IRC for you then? [00:49] <Drazerk> I will do it lol [00:49] <alanismorisette> yeah [00:49] <alanismorisette> please [00:49] <alanismorisette> if you're gonna vote [00:49] <alanismorisette> show people the evidnece [00:49] <alanismorisette> also [00:49] <alanismorisette> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#147 [00:49] <alanismorisette> that is why this plan on day 1 double lynch is terrible [00:50] <Drazerk> I am not jumping on a bandwagon [00:50] <alanismorisette> the day when we are most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch! [00:50] <alanismorisette> yay! [00:51] <Drazerk> we have actually got a decent track record day 1 at the moment [00:51] <Drazerk> when we kill you [00:51] <Drazerk> we will have a even better one [00:51] <alanismorisette> Drazerk: pleaes tell me why im scum [00:51] <alanismorisette> please [00:51] <alanismorisette> just make one post [00:51] <alanismorisette> on the thread Oh wait never mind now he hates the plan again... such wishy washy play with no real decision making. Red Is scum | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
I see the advantages of the plan, and if we could actually think of a target for day 1 to day vig it would be fine, however. This is a game with 4 mafia, 1 gf and 1 rber in the mix most likely. The next issue is a simple bit of knowledge of qatol and ver helped balance the game. Very few KP will be in this game. Counting on a day vig for all our hopes seems...shortsighted. If we have one, awesome, however we should have 2 kp at most given the setup. 1 med and 1 vet, or 2 vets, would be a likely blue setup for night survival and 1 dt if we are lucky. As this is speculation based on how to not make a game horribly OP for town I would guess no day kp as that would make town confirmable. However, if this plan can be made to work then thats fine and good. My issue now stems from DrH and redFF. DrH has been arguing against it in thread. He has been on the bad side of this sort of situation before, and I can see where he might have learned from that. I have no issues with him doing so primarily because he is doing it here, in thread. Redff however has been arguing this on irc. If he was so sure of his stance he should have taken it here in thread. Massive FoS by excluding info from thread. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:54 redFF wrote: So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb? k here's an example. Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him. now mafia know's to not hit player x. I would be more open to this plan day 2 or 3. But all i see is 2 townies getting lynched and losing a dayvig and that person most likely dying the next night. No, it goes like this: Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-stfu I choose who you protect, you'll be protecting player y Mafia-Okay... | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote: ...lol post the irc chat please, that is not a decent reason. Regardless, have any of you guys a scum saying he's a vig and figuring out who the other shots are at? or a scum saying he's a medic and finding out who's protecting who? I've played games where everyone has claimed to a "confirmed townie" and scum have raped and taken advantage of this, so please don't tell me the plan is faultless. If a vig is willing to use his shot as a lynch then it's ok. But I'm really not sure that day 1 is the best time to have a double lynch. Yeah the day when we have the least information and most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch! There, that's my opinion if you think it's scummy then vote me. Draz post what was scummy in the irc chat please. How will he figure out who the other vig shots are aimed at? How will a fake medic find out who the other medics are protecting? Who said the plan is faultless? I think I'll take your advice and vote for you! ##vote redFF If there isn't a great candidate for day vig I agree with heist's Day 2 proposal. We don't really want to use our vigi's and hatters on Night 1 anyway, do we? Confirmed townie might be more effective on Day 2. The only problem is the risk of losing him on Night 1... | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On August 02 2011 09:00 Curu wrote: No, it goes like this: Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-stfu I choose who you protect, you'll be protecting player y Mafia-Okay... I'm not comfortable with having 1 townie direct all of the blue actions. What if the townie is wrong about things/terrible? then we are screwed... | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
[7:30pm] Lucidity: does dochelvetica ever use punctuation? [7:31pm] Lucidity: I find myself out of breath reading his posts [7:39pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:39pm] alanismorisette: lol [7:42pm] Curu joined the chat room. [7:42pm] Curu: redFF made no jokes at the start of PTP [7:42pm] Curu: and he was Town [7:42pm] Curu: COINCIDENCE? [7:43pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:43pm] alanismorisette: didnt i make jokes? [7:43pm] alanismorisette: i did [7:44pm] alanismorisette: give me the wand imo [7:44pm] alanismorisette: that was one [7:44pm] alanismorisette: and i kept tlpdizing everything [7:44pm] alanismorisette: thats why lanaia [7:44pm] mig__: great jokes [7:45pm] mig__: red are you actually trying to defend yourself on whether you made jokes or not? [7:45pm] Drazerk: Red is so scummy >.< [7:45pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:45pm] alanismorisette: how [7:46pm] alanismorisette: is ptp over yet? [7:46pm] Drazerk: not yet [7:46pm] mig__: its weird that you seem to be actually trying to defend yourself when people are clearly fucking around with you [7:46pm] mig__: concerning the jokes [7:46pm] Drazerk: also the fact that your opposing sand's plan [7:47pm] Lucidity: opposing with no reasons [7:47pm] Lucidity: opposing is fine tbh [7:49pm] alanismorisette: well [7:49pm] alanismorisette: im not opposing [7:49pm] alanismorisette: im just saying that vigs shooting day 1 [7:49pm] alanismorisette: is not necessarily amazing [7:49pm] alanismorisette: u gain a confirmed town [7:49pm] alanismorisette: but u may lose a town too [7:49pm] Drazerk: not if we are doing it how sand proposes [7:50pm] Drazerk: in that case it would just be the same as lynching a townie which is much worse [7:50pm] alanismorisette: yeah [7:50pm] alanismorisette: i guess [7:50pm] Curu: you also had no problem shooting on like page 1 of your other game as day vig  [7:50pm] alanismorisette: i dunno if today is the day i wanna double lynch [7:50pm] alanismorisette: but that time i shot the gf [7:50pm] alanismorisette: he was obv [7:51pm] alanismorisette: its different when there arent obvscum [7:51pm] Curu: this time we might too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [7:51pm] Curu: didnt you shoot him cause he made some pump up town post [7:54pm] alanismorisette: well [7:54pm] alanismorisette: kita random voted [7:54pm] alanismorisette: and he was like [7:54pm] alanismorisette: you shouldn;t do it this early in the game, town has lost games recently and we need to pull ourselves together. etcetc [7:55pm] alanismorisette: then he made another post [7:55pm] alanismorisette: telling everyone to read his vigi guide [7:55pm] alanismorisette: and then he made another post attacking someone for a joke [7:55pm] alanismorisette: plus there was one guy defending him who looked scummy too(and was the rb) [7:55pm] alanismorisette: so i shot him [7:55pm] alanismorisette: hey draz [7:56pm] alanismorisette: reasonless votes not good [7:56pm] alanismorisette: post the irc chat [7:56pm] alanismorisette: s [7:56pm] alanismorisette: so people can see ur reasoning [7:56pm] alanismorisette: Drazerk: [7:56pm] Drazerk: want me to copy the IRC for you then? [7:56pm] Drazerk: I will do it lol [7:57pm] alanismorisette: yeah [7:57pm] alanismorisette: please [7:57pm] alanismorisette: if you're gonna vote [7:57pm] Rinku left the chat room. (Ping timeout) [7:57pm] alanismorisette: show people the evidnece [7:57pm] alanismorisette: also [7:57pm] alanismorisette: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#147 [7:57pm] alanismorisette: that is why this plan on day 1 double lynch is terrible [7:57pm] Drazerk: I am not jumping on a bandwagon [7:57pm] alanismorisette: the day when we are most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch! [7:57pm] alanismorisette: yay! [7:58pm] Drazerk: we have actually got a decent track record day 1 at the moment [7:58pm] Drazerk: when we kill you [7:58pm] Drazerk: we will have a even better one [7:59pm] alanismorisette: Drazerk: pleaes tell me why im scum [7:59pm] alanismorisette: please [7:59pm] alanismorisette: just make one post [7:59pm] alanismorisette: on the thread [7:59pm] alanismorisette: outlining why i am scum [7:59pm] sandroba left the chat room. (Ping timeout) [7:59pm] alanismorisette: you have no reasons apart from opposing a flawed plan with perfectly reasonable reasons [8:00pm] alanismorisette: and from me pointing out that it is in my meta to joke day 1 [8:02pm] alanismorisette: Drazerk: [8:02pm] alanismorisette: why am i scum [8:03pm] Drazerk: wishy washy play - Hating a very good town plan when "Oh noes we may accidencently kill a scummy town player" and the whole fact you are defending yourself this hard over a joke and a pressure vote [8:04pm] alanismorisette: ..... [8:04pm] alanismorisette: k [8:05pm] alanismorisette: it is not a "very good town plan" [8:05pm] alanismorisette: it wasnt defending myself hard over a joke [8:05pm] Drazerk: II'd rather kill a useless towny than lynch a useless towny [8:05pm] alanismorisette: curu made a statement and i responded [8:05pm] alanismorisette: now ur saying im a useless townie? [8:06pm] alanismorisette: chill with the insults and twisting my words dude [8:06pm] Curu: what [8:06pm] Curu: i never asid you were useless townie [8:06pm] alanismorisette: no [8:06pm] alanismorisette: drazerk is [8:06pm] Curu: oh [8:06pm] Drazerk: I never said you was a useless townie - I was refering to the plan [8:06pm] Drazerk: Your a very bad scum membet [8:06pm] Drazerk: member* [8:07pm] alanismorisette: drazerk [8:07pm] alanismorisette: i've played like 10x more games then you [8:07pm] alanismorisette: stop calling me bad [8:07pm] alanismorisette: also [8:07pm] alanismorisette: the plan is bad [8:07pm] alanismorisette: because [8:08pm] alanismorisette: we will most likely lynch 2 townies and then mafia will double stack the dayvig tonight [8:08pm] alanismorisette: how is that a good plan? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 02 2011 09:01 Lucidity wrote: How will he figure out who the other vig shots are aimed at? How will a fake medic find out who the other medics are protecting? Who said the plan is faultless? I think I'll take your advice and vote for you! ##vote redFF If there isn't a great candidate for day vig I agree with heist's Day 2 proposal. We don't really want to use our vigi's and hatters on Night 1 anyway, do we? Confirmed townie might be more effective on Day 2. The only problem is the risk of losing him on Night 1... What about night 2 makes a dayvig safer lol | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On August 02 2011 09:03 redFF wrote: k drazerk left out part of the conversation. read the whole thing and decide if i'm scum+ Show Spoiler + [7:30pm] Lucidity: does dochelvetica ever use punctuation? [7:31pm] Lucidity: I find myself out of breath reading his posts [7:39pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:39pm] alanismorisette: lol [7:42pm] Curu joined the chat room. [7:42pm] Curu: redFF made no jokes at the start of PTP [7:42pm] Curu: and he was Town [7:42pm] Curu: COINCIDENCE? [7:43pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:43pm] alanismorisette: didnt i make jokes? [7:43pm] alanismorisette: i did [7:44pm] alanismorisette: give me the wand imo [7:44pm] alanismorisette: that was one [7:44pm] alanismorisette: and i kept tlpdizing everything [7:44pm] alanismorisette: thats why lanaia [7:44pm] mig__: great jokes [7:45pm] mig__: red are you actually trying to defend yourself on whether you made jokes or not? [7:45pm] Drazerk: Red is so scummy >.< [7:45pm] alanismorisette: ... [7:45pm] alanismorisette: how [7:46pm] alanismorisette: is ptp over yet? [7:46pm] Drazerk: not yet [7:46pm] mig__: its weird that you seem to be actually trying to defend yourself when people are clearly fucking around with you [7:46pm] mig__: concerning the jokes [7:46pm] Drazerk: also the fact that your opposing sand's plan [7:47pm] Lucidity: opposing with no reasons [7:47pm] Lucidity: opposing is fine tbh [7:49pm] alanismorisette: well [7:49pm] alanismorisette: im not opposing [7:49pm] alanismorisette: im just saying that vigs shooting day 1 [7:49pm] alanismorisette: is not necessarily amazing [7:49pm] alanismorisette: u gain a confirmed town [7:49pm] alanismorisette: but u may lose a town too [7:49pm] Drazerk: not if we are doing it how sand proposes [7:50pm] Drazerk: in that case it would just be the same as lynching a townie which is much worse [7:50pm] alanismorisette: yeah [7:50pm] alanismorisette: i guess [7:50pm] Curu: you also had no problem shooting on like page 1 of your other game as day vig [7:50pm] alanismorisette: i dunno if today is the day i wanna double lynch [7:50pm] alanismorisette: but that time i shot the gf [7:50pm] alanismorisette: he was obv [7:51pm] alanismorisette: its different when there arent obvscum [7:51pm] Curu: this time we might too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [7:51pm] Curu: didnt you shoot him cause he made some pump up town post [7:54pm] alanismorisette: well [7:54pm] alanismorisette: kita random voted [7:54pm] alanismorisette: and he was like [7:54pm] alanismorisette: you shouldn;t do it this early in the game, town has lost games recently and we need to pull ourselves together. etcetc [7:55pm] alanismorisette: then he made another post [7:55pm] alanismorisette: telling everyone to read his vigi guide [7:55pm] alanismorisette: and then he made another post attacking someone for a joke [7:55pm] alanismorisette: plus there was one guy defending him who looked scummy too(and was the rb) [7:55pm] alanismorisette: so i shot him [7:55pm] alanismorisette: hey draz [7:56pm] alanismorisette: reasonless votes not good [7:56pm] alanismorisette: post the irc chat [7:56pm] alanismorisette: s [7:56pm] alanismorisette: so people can see ur reasoning [7:56pm] alanismorisette: Drazerk: [7:56pm] Drazerk: want me to copy the IRC for you then? [7:56pm] Drazerk: I will do it lol [7:57pm] alanismorisette: yeah [7:57pm] alanismorisette: please [7:57pm] alanismorisette: if you're gonna vote [7:57pm] Rinku left the chat room. (Ping timeout) [7:57pm] alanismorisette: show people the evidnece [7:57pm] alanismorisette: also [7:57pm] alanismorisette: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#147 [7:57pm] alanismorisette: that is why this plan on day 1 double lynch is terrible [7:57pm] Drazerk: I am not jumping on a bandwagon [7:57pm] alanismorisette: the day when we are most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch! [7:57pm] alanismorisette: yay! [7:58pm] Drazerk: we have actually got a decent track record day 1 at the moment [7:58pm] Drazerk: when we kill you [7:58pm] Drazerk: we will have a even better one [7:59pm] alanismorisette: Drazerk: pleaes tell me why im scum [7:59pm] alanismorisette: please [7:59pm] alanismorisette: just make one post [7:59pm] alanismorisette: on the thread [7:59pm] alanismorisette: outlining why i am scum [7:59pm] sandroba left the chat room. (Ping timeout) [7:59pm] alanismorisette: you have no reasons apart from opposing a flawed plan with perfectly reasonable reasons [8:00pm] alanismorisette: and from me pointing out that it is in my meta to joke day 1 [8:02pm] alanismorisette: Drazerk: [8:02pm] alanismorisette: why am i scum [8:03pm] Drazerk: wishy washy play - Hating a very good town plan when "Oh noes we may accidencently kill a scummy town player" and the whole fact you are defending yourself this hard over a joke and a pressure vote [8:04pm] alanismorisette: ..... [8:04pm] alanismorisette: k [8:05pm] alanismorisette: it is not a "very good town plan" [8:05pm] alanismorisette: it wasnt defending myself hard over a joke [8:05pm] Drazerk: II'd rather kill a useless towny than lynch a useless towny [8:05pm] alanismorisette: curu made a statement and i responded [8:05pm] alanismorisette: now ur saying im a useless townie? [8:06pm] alanismorisette: chill with the insults and twisting my words dude [8:06pm] Curu: what [8:06pm] Curu: i never asid you were useless townie [8:06pm] alanismorisette: no [8:06pm] alanismorisette: drazerk is [8:06pm] Curu: oh [8:06pm] Drazerk: I never said you was a useless townie - I was refering to the plan [8:06pm] Drazerk: Your a very bad scum membet [8:06pm] Drazerk: member* [8:07pm] alanismorisette: drazerk [8:07pm] alanismorisette: i've played like 10x more games then you [8:07pm] alanismorisette: stop calling me bad [8:07pm] alanismorisette: also [8:07pm] alanismorisette: the plan is bad [8:07pm] alanismorisette: because [8:08pm] alanismorisette: we will most likely lynch 2 townies and then mafia will double stack the dayvig tonight [8:08pm] alanismorisette: how is that a good plan? I included the relevant information - Now your just adding the part where you are wishy washy while adding IRC chat that hadn't been posted yet | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:55 ghrur wrote: Wait, what? No, there wouldn't be confirmed townies aside from the Dayvig unless you're risking letting the info fall into the hands of the godfather. Why would you suggest that? I understand picking townie isn't likely, but it's still a possibility we CANNOT rule out. There are confirmed scum through DT checks, but no confirmed townies. Also, day2 reveals a problem as well. If the DT checks the dayvig, he's essentially wasted a DT check. I just don't want the day vig dying night 1 to a double stack and losing such a good role and info coodination. The godfather is a possibility I completely forgot about. I suppose it is a risk you can't take. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On August 02 2011 09:00 Curu wrote: No, it goes like this: Mafia-I will be protecting player x Confirmed townie-stfu I choose who you protect, you'll be protecting player y Mafia-Okay... Yup, and if Mafia shoots player Y, and player Y dies, then clearly the medic isn't a medic but is mafia. :/ So if mafia tries to be medic, it effectively hurts them. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
Vigis, because there are probably a lot of you in here: Do not shoot unless it is at confirmed scum. If you feel you must shoot anyway, take out lurkers and liars. This sort of common sense is all too often ignored, and results in dead town. Even take DT claims with a grain of salt. If analysis points to a player being town when a claimed check has shown red, proceed with caution. It could be a miller or a scum's fake claim in order to waste a vig shot, especially if the claimed DT player has been under suspicion. | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
What is everyone's thoughts on making one sniper claim and do the day vig shot? As far as I know mafia can't day vig. And I'm almost positive there is only 1 soldier, who can confirm himself if need be. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On August 02 2011 09:20 chaos13 wrote: DrH has the right idea here. Yes, confirmed townies are excellent. However, mafia can easily fake claim a role like medic or vig, and then we would need to waste our DT checks in order to confirm those claims. Not only that, but we have no idea who the day vig actually is. If it's in the hands of a weaker player, that could lead to complete and utter disaster. Having one player coordinate all the actions of the blues is never a good thing. There is far too much room for error in such a situation, especially since mafia are able to PM and influence the game as well. Ultimately, however, it is up to the individuals with the roles to decide what to do. Discussion about this is very good, but I would rather not waste all day with it. Just something to keep in mind if we're still arguing about it in 24 hours. Vigis, because there are probably a lot of you in here: Do not shoot unless it is at confirmed scum. If you feel you must shoot anyway, take out lurkers and liars. This sort of common sense is all too often ignored, and results in dead town. Even take DT claims with a grain of salt. If analysis points to a player being town when a claimed check has shown red, proceed with caution. It could be a miller or a scum's fake claim in order to waste a vig shot, especially if the claimed DT player has been under suspicion. Fake claiming Medic acts like real Medic, because then Mafia can never hit the person they are told to protect without risking outing the fake claimer. Fake claiming Vig is terrible when we know Mafia KP, they can be caught ezpz. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
People shouldn't be expecting shitloads of blues though. If we have a medic, which we might not, (21 players, remember) they will be tied up making sure the only confirmed player doesn't kick the bucket. Nothing should be shared in IRC that would not be shared in thread, by the way. If our confirmed town wants to direct blues or if people want to claim to him, do it in PMs, for the love of god, and don't start talking in thread or irc like you're a confirmed blue. The only one who should know is the confirmed townie. Information leaks kills blues in PM games. Should we use the plan, I suggest a very simple system: vote normally. Whoever has the most votes dies. | ||
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