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This isn't really helpful early in the game however it can be helpful once you get to late game it can help make the LYLO more in favor of town such as taking a 3v1 to a 2v1
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Sevryn
698 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + This isn't really helpful early in the game however it can be helpful once you get to late game it can help make the LYLO more in favor of town such as taking a 3v1 to a 2v1 | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On August 02 2011 10:42 Incognito wrote: Hmm I happen to always avoid being killed off in day 1 posts now days. This is a good trend. Keep it up! note to self, kill incog every day post of a game, while making sure qatol is always blue. | ||
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Munk-E
United States672 Posts
On August 02 2011 10:25 Sevryn wrote: But mafia knows that player x probably isn't protected.... But player x is protected in this case, and they wouldn't shoot player Y! They'd shoot player Z because shooting Y would give away the role and if x was the obvious one to protect, they'd assume he was protected. That being said I highly doubt there are 2 medics anyways so if this situation does arise, I would be VERY suspicious of both of them. As for the plan, I'm quite worried about it. We would have a confirmed townie, which could be nice IF he could manage to efficiently manage the entire game. It seems a bit risky if they're not very good, they might screw it up and reveal roles. Also, the medic would be tied to defending this one person the entire time no matter what. If someone shows they are DT or vigi, then the mafia will just shoot both if we haven't killed 2 by then. In the mean time, the mafia could just kill him outright, or pick 2 people they KNOW won't be protected, and it's entirely up to them. If they do kill him, then we have (likely) 2 dead townies, and be back to square 1! No confirmed townie, just a dead guy, and the guy he killed.I kind of think that people are hoping he does hit a Mafia, but I really don't see the logic in this plan. It's more likely he'll hit someone important on our team than a mafia. In the end, i suppose it's entirely up to the dayvigi if the plan goes through, but it just seems highly illogical to me. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On August 02 2011 09:42 sandroba wrote: The point of mass claim to a confirmed townie is to force mafia to fake claim and the dayvig can sort the actions of the blues in a reduced pool of players, confirming the blues and eliminating suspicious people from the right pool. If mafia roleclaims medic even better, the day vig asks for a prot on himself and the mafia can't shoot him, profit. Things can go wrong either way, having an organized plan is better than no plan at all. The entirety of this is almost based purely on blue roles. This needs to get in your head Sand, there is only 4 mafia. There is no way were going to have 1-2 vigilantes and a medic. Its straight up imbalanced. In the past few games we've been less reliant on blue roles and won, you want to abuse PMs and the assumption we have such roles to win, this is just going backwards. The fact that you came up with a plan is fine, but you need to come to the realization it is in most cases unrealistic. Day-vigs should shoot whenever they are certain they have caught onto scum, they should mention it subtly in thread with decent evidence before they shoot but they should not shoot unless: -It is increadably scummy player who just will not be lynched. (THIS IS YOUR JOB. THIS IS THE OBVIOUSLY SCUMMY PLAYER THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS FAIRLY SURE IS TOWN BUT IS OBVIOUSLY MISLEADING US) -Lurker. -People start to say "Yeah hes scummy but this person is more scummy" Its fine for Day-vigis to do a cleaning role like a night vigilante would. Dont be a hero, you might town and turn out exactly the way you do not want to be. If you wish to claim before you shoot fine, but remember MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS BECAUSE SCUM MIGHT BE TRYING TO MAKE THEM FOR YOU. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:57 Drazerk wrote: + Show Spoiler + [00:01] <alanismorisette> love is like a roll of tape [00:01] <alanismorisette> real good for makin 2 things one [00:02] <mig__> red making bad jokes at the start of games is a scum tell [00:03] <alanismorisette> ... [00:03] <alanismorisette> I DO THAT EVERY GAME [00:03] <alanismorisette> WHY DO PPL THINK THAT MAKES ME SCUM [00:03] <mig__> maybe you just always seem scummy [00:05] <alanismorisette> ... [00:11] <Lucidity> as a former scum buddy of red's [00:11] <Lucidity> I can confirm that he is scum this game [00:12] <mig__> what do you think of sandroba's plan lucid? [00:14] <Lucidity> i was going to suggest the same thing [00:15] <Lucidity> but we need to discuss it a bit more to ascertain whether the reward outweighs the risks [00:15] <Lucidity> if the day vig knows what he's doing I think it could be quite effective [00:15] <mig__> yea [00:16] <mig__> I think the positives far out weight the negatives [00:17] <Lucidity> we'll have to assume that some mafia will fake claim [00:18] <Lucidity> not doing so would be detrimental to them [00:18] <mig__> yes I think that is the best part [00:18] <mig__> is the possibility of them fucking up the fake claims [00:18] <Lucidity> But which fake claims have the potential to be hurtful to town? [00:18] <Drazerk> not sure how they can fake claim [00:18] <mig__> if an abnormal amount of roles are claimed it should be obvious to the day vig something is up [00:18] <Lucidity> only medic as far as i can see [00:19] <Lucidity> fake everything else only helps town in the long run [00:19] <mig__> well the mafias plan will likely be fake claim today then shoot day vig tonight [00:19] <mig__> just want to fake long enough that the day vig doesnt have them killed in the night [00:19] <Drazerk> which is why the day vig will need medic protection [00:23] <Lucidity> does dochelvetica ever use punctuation? [00:23] <Lucidity> I find myself out of breath reading his posts [00:32] <alanismorisette> ... [00:32] <alanismorisette> lol [00:34] <Curu> redFF made no jokes at the start of PTP [00:34] <Curu> and he was Town [00:35] <Curu> COINCIDENCE? [00:36] <alanismorisette> ... [00:36] <alanismorisette> didnt i make jokes? [00:36] <alanismorisette> i did [00:36] <alanismorisette> give me the wand imo [00:36] <alanismorisette> that was one [00:36] <alanismorisette> and i kept tlpdizing everything [00:37] <alanismorisette> thats why lanaia [00:37] <mig__> great jokes [00:37] <mig__> red are you actually trying to defend yourself on whether you made jokes or not? The fact that he is defending him so hard for such a simple joke is retarded. He is now fully on board with the Sand plan after he realizes how scummy it makes him look for opposing the idea and now is defending himself even more because of my pressure vote. + Show Spoiler + [00:48] <alanismorisette> hey draz [00:48] <alanismorisette> reasonless votes not good [00:48] <alanismorisette> post the irc chat [00:48] <alanismorisette> s [00:48] <alanismorisette> so people can see ur reasoning [00:48] <alanismorisette> Drazerk: [00:49] <Drazerk> want me to copy the IRC for you then? [00:49] <Drazerk> I will do it lol [00:49] <alanismorisette> yeah [00:49] <alanismorisette> please [00:49] <alanismorisette> if you're gonna vote [00:49] <alanismorisette> show people the evidnece [00:49] <alanismorisette> also [00:49] <alanismorisette> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#147 [00:49] <alanismorisette> that is why this plan on day 1 double lynch is terrible [00:50] <Drazerk> I am not jumping on a bandwagon [00:50] <alanismorisette> the day when we are most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch! [00:50] <alanismorisette> yay! [00:51] <Drazerk> we have actually got a decent track record day 1 at the moment [00:51] <Drazerk> when we kill you [00:51] <Drazerk> we will have a even better one [00:51] <alanismorisette> Drazerk: pleaes tell me why im scum [00:51] <alanismorisette> please [00:51] <alanismorisette> just make one post [00:51] <alanismorisette> on the thread Oh wait never mind now he hates the plan again... such wishy washy play with no real decision making. Red Is scum So your evidence on Red is: -Hes sort of wishy-washy (I SORT of see it, i really dont see where he starts thinking the plan is a good idea before going back on it) -Jokes (wtf who uses this as evidence?) - Hes defending himself much more than he should (Which is probably the only valid point here.) I fail to see how this has made you determine he is without a doubt scum. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On August 02 2011 11:41 Sevryn wrote: whats the irc we are using tlmafia? #Loonybin | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On August 02 2011 11:50 snotboogie wrote: /in if I can! way late dude. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
In the past few games we've been less reliant on blue roles and won, you want to abuse PMs and the assumption we have such roles to win, this is just going backwards. The fact that you came up with a plan is fine, but you need to come to the realization it is in most cases unrealistic. Are you against it because you are against relying on blue roles, or because of the setup? | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
Are you against the plan because it is relying on blue roles, or because of the setup? | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
he's playing exactly like that other game where i was scum with him i'm sorry red but your scum play is so obvious | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On August 02 2011 10:35 Sevryn wrote: Can we vote for a no lynch? + Show Spoiler + This isn't really helpful early in the game however it can be helpful once you get to late game it can help make the LYLO more in favor of town such as taking a 3v1 to a 2v1 This game follows normal voting rules. You may not abstain. The person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. So no, No Lynching is not an option. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
I like syllogism's post above me though, a shot tomorrow is more likely to hit mafia. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
I think the only time that we should be claiming is if Mafia only have 1 KP left or if a Day Vig hits a Vet, leaving us with 2 confirmed townies. One of them will survive the night and be able to pass on info~ redFF, forever RED? | ||
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