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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Well, not if you're scum. | ||
prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:02 wherebugsgo wrote: so there's 3 people trying to lynch me? AFAIK there's only 2, unless you know something that I don't. Which of Toadesstern, VisceraEyes and prplhz isn't people? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
His defense is completely illogical and not only based on WIFOM but not even WIFOM that I can understand or agree with in any case. The "why didn't RoL get vig'd" argument is better than this and that's still totally inconclusive. I understand that Toades will say he is town regardless of his alignment but it's not convincing to anyone, certainly not enough to clear VE. If you think VE is so innocent and good enough to put this much effort into defending him wouldn't you be better off just pushing your own wagon and trying to convince people to vote with you? | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:03 prplhz wrote: Which of Toadesstern, VisceraEyes and prplhz isn't people? Toad isn't trying to lynch me? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:59 prplhz wrote: Meh. I don't really want to lynch into VisceraEyes/wherebugsgo because they're both reasonably active but if I have to then I'll lynch wherebugsgo. I think there's something off about him. Just his "All the three people accusing me of being scum in this thread are scum.". That's fucking insane. I'd much rather lynch into those people who are abusing the activity requirements. I mean, write a fucking post. I don't agree at all with DoctorHelvetica's "lets leave low-activity people for later". Everybody here has a page or two of posts and that should be enough that we can get a read on them. I think we could lynch chaoser and there seems to be consensus about that among all the people present right now. Here's his filter. He hasn't said a thing for two days now and he doesn't seem to care much about the game with the "When's deadline?" and seems to be faking activity with "I'll do votecounts myself.". He was only reasonably active during day1 but since then he doesn't seem to care about the game (that's gone way off track). Enough for a read, but I'd rather lynch an active suspect than an inactive one because they will respond to the pressure and the discussion will move forward. More talking = good for town because it exposes scum. Never said inactive people are totally inconclusive or should never be lynched. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:18 Jitsu wrote: Doc, are you quite certain that if Toades is killed, Dirk isn't mafia? And visa verse? I think it's feasible that both players flipped red this game. Toad has been scummy for the larger part of the game - half the shit he's doing doesn't see town driven to me. I keep going back to the one post he made trying to totally absolve himself of Blazinghand flipping town. That shit is not town driven. At all. And if it is town driven, it's flawed at that. You vote because you think someone is scum. Not because you want to train with the rest of the town and cross you're fingers that he's now telling the truth. I thought he fake-claimed. In fact, I was pretty sure it was a fake-claim. I'll own it. I fucked up on reading him as scum. Toad wants to take no blame for it though. Also, where the shit has Cwave gone. Replaces Risk.nuke. Posts once. Gone. I see no reason to believe that Dirk and Toades can't be together on a scumteam | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:00 VisceraEyes wrote: They're actually totally right Toad - the fact that I'm not voting for you is NOT indicative of my alignment. While I agree that if I were scum, I'd have taken the gift of a town-Toad mislynch lain before me in the case of town-DocH and town-WBG, the fact of the matter is that I think WBG is scum and I think you're town being setup for easy mislynch. it's not you're alignment I'm intrested in, it's mine. It's either you are Mafia + I am mafia OR you are Town + I am mafia for wbg. Yeah calling you confirmed is a little too much but I'd still say it's unlikely you would do that as mafia. Why should he push for someone else if in both of the possible cases I am mafia? Well there is a third case, we're both Town, but that would mean that 2/3 of his "if we lynch into those 3 people we're 100% going to get mafia hanged" list would be wrong. Of course that one sounds pretty reasonable for me because I know I am town and I am pretty sure you are now as well but with WBG's assumption there is literally no reason to think that. That's the big point. You could be a mafia protecting me or you're a confused townie but you sure are no mafia derping yourself to save a townie => I have to be mafia according to what wbg said. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
You're sooooooooooo implicitly guilty | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
everything that happens is because of Toad all hail Toad | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Toadesstern thinks he's the most important player in any game regardless of alignment. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why are you assuming he's pushing WBG to "save" you? You're sooooooooooo implicitly guilty ok let's explain this once again: What would be another explanation? Again, the case we're talking about is: I am mafia, VE is mafia, You are town, WBG is town and 3 or so people are pushing me because I did a scumslip according to you. Why should VE push wbg instead in that scenario? Of course that's what VE is doing if you believe that I am mafia, VE is mafia and you two are town. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He didn't act like this at all in AC I don't recall him ever talking about WIFOM shit or trying to figure out how people would act based on alignment. Palmar claimed Toades' role and acted bonkers and Toades did nothing about it. Right now he's obsessed with totally inconclusive meta/wifom shit and is acting like a paranoid scum who can't stand the 1 vote on him. He's acting like the whole town is bandwagoning on him right now and instead he's defending VE and not pushing anyone as scum? What the fuck is this, lynch Toadesstern I mean, I would be down with a Toadesstern lynch, but I've played scum with Toad before. Toad has more confidence when scum start winning the game - he wouldn't be acting paranoid like this if he were on a winning scum-team. I refuse to believe it. In XLVII he fake-claimed medic and got "confirmed" as town, and he certainly acted the part. I don't see the same kind of play this game. Actually, now that you mention AC, I got this EXACT feeling from Toadesstern regarding the whole Palmar-rgShwortz-Toadesstern WIFOM Circle of Confusion. He was town in AC. So I mean, if you think he's a better lynch than WBG or myself, go for it - I'll be on WBG though, and I'm pretty sure WBG will be on me and we'll just have to deal with this tomorrow assuming we're both still alive. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
He knows that as townie and proceeds saying "well I'm no longer sure about you Toad, could be you're town"? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Why would a scum VE abandon the case he established on Day 2 and push you instead, if you're town? You're assuming that EVERY scum in the game MUST bandwagon you if you're town, why the fuck are you so special? Yes, it's an easy bandwagon. That doesn't lead us to a single thing except worthless speculation. I'm not assuming WBG is town either btw You've done a good job of diverting the conversation into something totally useless. Unless anyone else in the game is dumb enough to think you're making a point I'm going to ignore this line of conversation now. Have any interest in establishing why YOU are innocent or why we should lynch someone other than you or VE and who that is? Your whole play right not will accomplish nothing except maybe: 1. Setting yourself up to get bussed and then buddies push a town-VE lynch Day 3 2. Preventing VE from getting lynched. By the way, VE never "defended" you literally all he did was make a case on somebody other than you. 3. Creates useless confusing conversation in town, distracts from lurkers etc. Hey, by Toades' logic, all you have to do to be 100% proven confirmed town is to push a lynch OTHER than Toadesstern. This proves you are townie, so everyone go ahead and confirm themselves so we can find all the scum! | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I would be down with a Toadesstern lynch, but I've played scum with Toad before. Toad has more confidence when scum start winning the game - he wouldn't be acting paranoid like this if he were on a winning scum-team. I refuse to believe it. In XLVII he fake-claimed medic and got "confirmed" as town, and he certainly acted the part. I don't see the same kind of play this game. Actually, now that you mention AC, I got this EXACT feeling from Toadesstern regarding the whole Palmar-rgShwortz-Toadesstern WIFOM Circle of Confusion. He was town in AC. So I mean, if you think he's a better lynch than WBG or myself, go for it - I'll be on WBG though, and I'm pretty sure WBG will be on me and we'll just have to deal with this tomorrow assuming we're both still alive. do you still remember me in irc asking about claiming mafia? ❤ Maybe my "scumslips" are me being overconfident claiming mafia as mafia again because I think I'm immortal :p | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:26 Toadesstern wrote: Again it's not about VE's alignment. In every single Explanation wbg could come up with I am mafia and VE is either mafia or Town. He knows that as townie and proceeds saying "well I'm no longer sure about you Toad, could be you're town"? THEN WHAT IS IT ABOUT BECAUSE ALL YOU'RE SAYING IS VE IS 100% TOWN BECAUSE IF HE WERE SCUM HE WOULD VOTE FOR YOU WHICH IS FUCKING DUMB | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I would be down with a Toadesstern lynch, but I've played scum with Toad before. Toad has more confidence when scum start winning the game - he wouldn't be acting paranoid like this if he were on a winning scum-team. I refuse to believe it. In XLVII he fake-claimed medic and got "confirmed" as town, and he certainly acted the part. I don't see the same kind of play this game. Actually, now that you mention AC, I got this EXACT feeling from Toadesstern regarding the whole Palmar-rgShwortz-Toadesstern WIFOM Circle of Confusion. He was town in AC. So I mean, if you think he's a better lynch than WBG or myself, go for it - I'll be on WBG though, and I'm pretty sure WBG will be on me and we'll just have to deal with this tomorrow assuming we're both still alive. Yeah but he ignored that. Toades acted really confidently during that section, he made some mistakes but nothing really comparable to what is happening now other than the fact that it is confusing and that was more Palmar's fault than Toades | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 28 2012 12:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why would a scum VE push you if you're also scum? Why would a scum VE abandon the case he established on Day 2 and push you instead, if you're town? You're assuming that EVERY scum in the game MUST bandwagon you if you're town, why the fuck are you so special? Yes, it's an easy bandwagon. That doesn't lead us to a single thing except worthless speculation. I'm not assuming WBG is town either btw You've done a good job of diverting the conversation into something totally useless. Unless anyone else in the game is dumb enough to think you're making a point I'm going to ignore this line of conversation now. Have any interest in establishing why YOU are innocent or why we should lynch someone other than you or VE and who that is? Your whole play right not will accomplish nothing except maybe: 1. Setting yourself up to get bussed and then buddies push a town-VE lynch Day 3 2. Preventing VE from getting lynched. By the way, VE never "defended" you literally all he did was make a case on somebody other than you. 3. Creates useless confusing conversation in town, distracts from lurkers etc. Hey, by Toades' logic, all you have to do to be 100% proven confirmed town is to push a lynch OTHER than Toadesstern. This proves you are townie, so everyone go ahead and confirm themselves so we can find all the scum! On February 28 2012 12:26 Toadesstern wrote: Again it's not about VE's alignment. In every single Explanation wbg could come up with I am mafia and VE is either mafia or Town. He knows that as townie and proceeds saying "well I'm no longer sure about you Toad, could be you're town"? I think VE is town, that's not the point. WBG has to think I am mafia if he really thinks I am town. He does not realize that fact because he's not thinking about it. Stop talking about VE's alignment. That's another neat point I figured out given I know my own alignment and it is to some degree wifom but it's not what I'm talking about. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
what the fuck are you talking about i have no idea when wbg even entered the equation because a few pages ago you were saying VE is confirmed by not voting for you | ||
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