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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 28 2012 13:09 kitaman27 wrote: Weird seeing you guys list 4 person scum teams considering red's flip was hidden. A no-flip is inconclusive, it would be bad to operate under the assumption that there are only 3 mafia left, are you saying that's the case??? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I got into what I can only assume is a mason QT but nobody responded in it and I have no idea who invited me or how it works | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On February 26 2012 07:06 syllogism wrote: Should have gone with RoL. I'm going to have complaints about the setup if the vote counts can't be trusted. Did you receive a potion last night RoL? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On February 28 2012 13:21 wherebugsgo wrote: he gave me a healing potion n2. An alchemist with multiple healing potions? Did he only have healing potions or could he kill as well? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 28 2012 13:24 kitaman27 wrote: An alchemist with multiple healing potions? Did he only have healing potions or could he kill as well? he could kill as well but I don;t know the specifics of his role. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On February 28 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote: ##Vote wherebugsgo Funny thing is, I don't even need to make a case. Burden of proof and all that shit. What the fuck is this shit? Guilty until proven innocent? Get the fuck out. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. This is one of the single most scummy things I have read this game. On August 06 2011 20:35 Ace wrote: Even dumber than 2 years ago. Player A: Prove you're Town. Player B: What? That absurdly ridi- Player A: He can't do it! Lynch him! Jubjubs (chanting): It makes so much sense! Lynch him! or the equally stupid because it's the same thing: Player A: Prove you aren't Mafia. Player B: .... Player A: He's defending himself! Lynch him! Defending yourself is a scumtell! Jubjubs: My god! Why didn't we see this before! *smacks collective forehead* There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Try to be on the ignorant side, ok? ![[image loading]](http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/150/f/2010/061/2/2/ZP___Pants_on_head_by_SasukeXIII.jpg) I am not sure you are mafia, or just horrendous town. However, based on your filter and lack of any reasonable content (i see lots of sheeping) you seem mafia. I don't know how much else to say about you aside from go die. On February 28 2012 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I have a feeling we're screwed. I think BC is scum and RoL doesn't care enough to clear his name. /facepalm I'm about to go on a posting spree about a few people, and I'd appreciate some leeway to finish my posts before we just start calling everything I'm saying scummy. I'm going to be examining the following people - previous scumreads BloodyC0bbler, wherebugsgo and RoL and new interestings Toadesstern and layabout. I'm not sure who I'll support a lynch of, but if it's not one of these people, I'll cerrtainly provide reasoning explaining why. I'm still waiting on your posting. I see a lot of posts from you saying you think RoL and I are scum and have seen these posts since day 1. What I find interesting however is that of your top scum reads the ones who have sat there the longest you are fine with keeping alive but are opting to push someone else entirely. What I find even more interesting is that you promised to analyze 5 players and you have only analyzed 1. I also find it amusing that of those 5 people not only have you not looked at the person who was jumping at wbg (who was on your scum reads) but I don't even see the comments in regards to said scum read also tunneling the player you were pushing for. I also don't understand why you have yet to comment about that same player hopping off wbg and jumping back onto a player that you have said is the bottom of your lynch list. You have promised alot, and are guilty of similar levels of inactivity as at least two of the players you have pushed for inactivity (obviously myself and RoL have been far more inactive overall than you have, but you have also vanished for decent periods of time). You have not pushed the target you feel is most likely to be mafia to sufficient levels either day 1 or 2. In day 1 you pushed heavily on Redff then flip flopped your vote between him and me until you ultimately settled on me. Day 2 you pushed wbg almost solely as your only option as a red player yet you VOTED FOR BLAZING HAND. He wasn't on a list you provided publically. You didn't give any piece of information of why you swapped your vote, you just swapped. Why would anyone as town move away from their #1 scum target for the day to a player you have not discussed as red at all nor provided a reason and instead appears to be joining a bandwagon. This screams scum jumping ship from 1 player to a misslynch target. On February 24 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Let me just attack the points of note, because they're easier to digest and they pretty clearly outline his entire gripe with me. - "said BC was "null" but aslo somehow scummy enough to vote" First of all, here is the post I assume WBG is referring to. I never EVER said that BC himself was "null". I said that the action of him angrily and hastily throwing together posts was null as fuck. I then go on to say that with the rest of BC's behavior outside the anger and hasty annoyed posts, referring to his nudge of redFF, lack of commitment to a read of red, failure to address the concerns I brought forward after his first appearance in thread, etc., seems incriminating to me. This post is me asking Jackal why the fuck BC lived and redFF died after claiming Tracker. I never at any point say that I have a 'null' read on BC, I'm not in the business of pushing my 'null' reads' wagons to the very last minute. -"has written fluff posts similar to BCAC" This is cute, especially coming from WBG. Mafia is a social game. If all I've been doing had been making fluff posts with no content, this would be a valid point. However, I've put forward more content in D1 than WBG has all game. Easily. EASILY WBG FUCKING HANDS DOWN. -"calls me wishy washy but deliberately avoids calling me scum or even scummy because of it" This is....hilarious. WBG is latching onto DocH's case without doing a thing himself. He's not even interested in my side, he hasn't asked questions, he's just throwing shit to see what sticks. Nothing is going to fucking stick. Because it's all bullshit. It's a bullshit case built on someone else's legwork who (no offense Doc) is probably just pissed that I had them fooled last game with my scum play. He's bouncing around, hoping someone somewhere will take what he's doing as effort, but I think most everyone here is smarter than that. ##Vote: wherebugsgo Bang. Die scum. Man I love this post. Why? Because it shows that you are basing the fact wbg is scum based on latching onto a case without doing a thing himself (i would disagree but hey to each their own). However, he does not actually follow through by analyzing other players of similar behaviour. Take prplhz for example. Lets take a gander at these fun quotes from On February 28 2012 07:33 kitaman27 wrote: Here are my scum power rankings! (anything past 5 may be completely arbitrary) 1.) prplhz: On day one, prpl hard defends redff from the lynch, without providing an alternate candidate. He claims to have pushed the BC lynch. Lets take a closer look: Is this honestly what prpl considers pushing? A bunch of wishy-washy statements without providing any actual reasoning? He constantly brings up how bad he is as if he is trying to downplay his abilities. Now lets move on to day two: He starts off by voting RoL. Towards the end of the day he changes to blazing. His reasoning: The entire game, the strongest reason prpl has believed someone to be scum is because of a Floridian claim. Not once does he even reference his actual posts or behavior. Looking back to day one, prpl was willing to defend red because the claim made sense to him. The next day, a similar claim is provided and he has no reason to believe it. The entire game prpl has responded poorly to pressure and would be a fine lynch candidate. Take a gander at some of these posts where day 1 prplhz sheeps VE and syllogism, and day 3 we see prplhz sheeping VE yet again (posting his gem about burden of proof being on the accused) yet somehow VE has not looked at this player at all in a negative light? He called out someone originally based on that behaviour but it is only scummy on one player? Given the amount of times prpl has been called out / the times he has sheeped VE he would deff be someone VE should have been analyzing to at least some degree yet no public scum leaning? No discussion of his scummy behaviour? Very interesting and convenient don't you think? Then we look at the entire premise of VE's posting on wbg today and it can be pretty well summed up with On February 28 2012 10:46 VisceraEyes wrote: It's cool Doc - join the VE wagon of failure then. If you can't see a marked difference in the vaguery that WBG asked Syllo and my questions to others in the game then I can't help you. He's scummily trying to skate by doing jack shit, and he deserves the rope today. If you think I fit that bill better, then you should vote for me. In fact, fuck it. Everyone should just vote for me and get it over with. I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong about WBG, but I'm certainly not wrong about myself - I'm town. If me dying clears up any confusion regarding WBG, then lynch the fuck out of me and then lynch the fuck out of WBG. I'm not defending myself when I'm doing everything I can to get scum lynched right now. No time. Wow, we have a gem of you martyring and saying that you COULD BE WRONG OF WBG. WHY WOULD YOU EVER PUSH SOMEONE WHO IS NOT YOUR 100% RED TARGET. THIS IS BAD PLAY. If you think someone is anti town you call them out for it, but pushing someone who you have just admitted you could be wrong on yet you have posts like On February 28 2012 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I would be down with a Toadesstern lynch, but I've played scum with Toad before. Toad has more confidence when scum start winning the game - he wouldn't be acting paranoid like this if he were on a winning scum-team. I refuse to believe it. In XLVII he fake-claimed medic and got "confirmed" as town, and he certainly acted the part. I don't see the same kind of play this game. Actually, now that you mention AC, I got this EXACT feeling from Toadesstern regarding the whole Palmar-rgShwortz-Toadesstern WIFOM Circle of Confusion. He was town in AC. So I mean, if you think he's a better lynch than WBG or myself, go for it - I'll be on WBG though, and I'm pretty sure WBG will be on me and we'll just have to deal with this tomorrow assuming we're both still alive. This is also awesome for the bolded part. Why you ask? Because I have just shown that he is not confident in his opinion of wbg yet he refuses to move his vote elsewhere. He martyrs himself in one post then says I won't let up until he dies. VE's alignment says nothing about wbg goes alignment. Why? because arguments can be staged, people can be wrong, etc... VE had admitted to having other scum reads, yet he refuses to move onto them. He martyrs himself as if it will actually prove a point about someone elses alignment which he knows it will not. He ignores obviously scumlike behaviour by other players who are guilty of the same behaviour he has called out other people for. He has sheep voted for no reason at all, and he has now out and out said he won't vote for anyone aside from bugs until we do what he says. This essentially means he won't help town unless we do what he says. Why would any townie do this? You can actively push a player and if town doesn't want to lynch him you can move onto another scum read while still pushing your original suspect. This is blatantly anti town. Lynch VE or prpl, both are scum. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On February 25 2012 01:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Your play is erratic only in terms of quality of your posts. Now and then you have things like work keeping you distracted or the like, but the level of posts you make are normally decent as town and lazyish as scum. If your telling me I am wrong on this, prove it to me. Til then your on my radar. Is RoL still on your radar BC? What do you think about his ragequit? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On February 28 2012 14:14 kitaman27 wrote: Is RoL still on your radar BC? What do you think about his ragequit? I believe he is still scum. I could see someone who had been playing super hard this game getting pissed off at people derping hard and rage quit after putting in tons of effort. However, RoL has done fucking nothing pro town. His ragequit seems more like "redff almost didn't get lynched for it, might as well try it myself" approach. Why you ask? Look at the posts since his ragequit. Near all of them were arguing between drh, toad, ve, and wbg about other people. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
He's defending VE further by claiming WBG is scum because WBG doesn't believe that both Toades and VE are town or something retarded like that. His play is so so so far away from what he was like in AC that I can't imagine he is town here too. Prplhz is a player I have a hard time reading because when he goes on to make complicated posts I think a lot of meaning is lost in translation. Regardless, he's been on the opposite side of pretty much every conclusion I've come to. Toades is #1 for me today, I have a small amount of doubt considering VE, none of which I have with Toad. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On February 28 2012 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Don't you find it suspicious that he's basing his votes based on how it will affect peoples perceptions of his guilt and not who he thinks is scum? I've yet to see a bigger scumtell in this game then that post and the fact that he's using his time as a lynch candidate to defend VE instead is ridiculous. He's defending VE further by claiming WBG is scum because WBG doesn't believe that both Toades and VE are town or something retarded like that. His play is so so so far away from what he was like in AC that I can't imagine he is town here too. Prplhz is a player I have a hard time reading because when he goes on to make complicated posts I think a lot of meaning is lost in translation. Regardless, he's been on the opposite side of pretty much every conclusion I've come to. Toades is #1 for me today, I have a small amount of doubt considering VE, none of which I have with Toad. I find him guilty, however as the host of AC and someone who read every post that game I can clearly state that toad was like the #8 mafia for their team. He has played incredibly badly and appears to be scummy as fuck and I could easily find posts that would display this (his recent behaviour excluded as its wtf as hell), but he did near exactly the same behaviour as town. As such my read on him is not as strong as my read on prpl and VE. My only doubts on toad are meta related which can be a terrrrrible reason, but VE and prpl both know not to do what they are doing and still are doing it. Both are actively not encouraging pro town atmospheres and in the case of prpl skirting by with sheep votes and buddying up to players agreeing with them to justify said votes. I feel far more strongly about both of these than I do toad. Toad could very well flip mafia, but I think he could also flip town. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 28 2012 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Don't you find it suspicious that he's basing his votes based on how it will affect peoples perceptions of his guilt and not who he thinks is scum? I've yet to see a bigger scumtell in this game then that post and the fact that he's using his time as a lynch candidate to defend VE instead is ridiculous. He's defending VE further by claiming WBG is scum because WBG doesn't believe that both Toades and VE are town or something retarded like that. His play is so so so far away from what he was like in AC that I can't imagine he is town here too. Prplhz is a player I have a hard time reading because when he goes on to make complicated posts I think a lot of meaning is lost in translation. Regardless, he's been on the opposite side of pretty much every conclusion I've come to. Toades is #1 for me today, I have a small amount of doubt considering VE, none of which I have with Toad. so you didn't understand it after all  And I never based my vote on how it will affect peoples perception of me. You're making that up and I already responded to that one. The post you're quoted had nothing to do with my vote but was a mere sidecomment. I unvoted BH a lot earlier because I thought he's could be confused townie or a mafia who does that on purpose. I revoted BH later again because I thought it's still a coinflip and to get rid of someone who would have been an issue the next day. Not to begin with the fact that noone was in here d2 and a switch was not possible because 1) noone was here 2) I was one of the fewer people saying BH could be a townie. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On February 23 2012 10:51 chaoser wrote: sorry, i've been out all day, still at the er but will be back at 9:30 to be able to read. On February 26 2012 06:22 chaoser wrote: Yah, sorry, my activity is going to get way stepped up from now on. On February 27 2012 22:11 chaoser wrote: Going to sleep, will wake at 12pm to post my thoughts | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 28 2012 14:41 Toadesstern wrote: so you didn't understand it after all And I never based my vote on how it will affect peoples perception of me. You're making that up and I already responded to that one. The post you're quoted had nothing to do with my vote but was a mere sidecomment. I unvoted BH a lot earlier because I thought he's could be confused townie or a mafia who does that on purpose. I revoted BH later again because I thought it's still a coinflip and to get rid of someone who would have been an issue the next day. Not to begin with the fact that noone was in here d2 and a switch was not possible because 1) noone was here 2) I was one of the fewer people saying BH could be a townie. You explicitly stated you were reluctant to vote for BH because no matter what he flipped people will somehow think you're scum paranoid scum behavior | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 28 2012 14:48 kitaman27 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLBA0A0C1CB9F24BD6 LOL | ||
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Followed up with calling redFF bad ad nauseum. Very clear to not say scum - only very bad. Suddenly this all changes after red sheeps after Jackal? Sheeping is something scum and town do in equal parts - verily, many a veteran townies count on a few sheep to push their agendas. Claims that most of what red has done can be explained 'with scum motivations'. Fails to elaborate or support this idea. Just throws it out there.![[image loading]](http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/all_c69ac5_46945.jpg)
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