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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 21 2012 07:33 layabout wrote: If you do not have a good case behind your vote today i expect you to go with a policy lynch. I don't care about your expectations, but if ANYONE doesn't have a good case behind their vote (either for a policy lynch of a scum lynch) then they should be lynched posthaste. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 21 2012 07:03 Dirkzor wrote: If the rest of the game is as stupid as the first 3 post this is going to get ugly... The positive part is that I already have something to critisize... Good job on starting discussion. Scumbag Dirkzor Says he has something to criticize Doesn't follow through with criticism about first three posts What's up Drik? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On February 21 2012 07:33 kitaman27 wrote: These quotes come from couples therapy and ptp2. You were town both games. So why the change in play-style red? They're also from months ago. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 21 2012 07:31 redFF wrote: Give me one example of a policy lynch occuring on tl mafia ever. I don't think that word means what you think it means. I thought a policy lynch was when you lynch someone for a reason unrelated to "I think this person is scum" such as "I lynch anyone who lies" "I lynch anyone who makes fewer than 3 posts per in-game day" or "I think this guy is a moron so I lynch him every game I play with him" | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 21 2012 07:36 redFF wrote: To elaborate, i've been playing a lot of mafia recently and my mind has been changed. I had something of a mafia epiphany. Spam the mafia subforum with one liners? I've seen one liners from you everywhere -_- | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On February 21 2012 07:36 redFF wrote: To elaborate, i've been playing a lot of mafia recently and my mind has been changed. I had something of a mafia epiphany. Is this the standard mafia "opps I got caught in a discrepancy". Time to claim change in playstyle! | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On February 21 2012 07:38 chaoser wrote: Spam the mafia subforum with one liners? I've seen one liners from you everywhere -_- I hope the irony of this post is not lost on you. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On February 21 2012 07:38 kitaman27 wrote: Is this the standard mafia "opps I got caught in a discrepancy". Time to claim change in playstyle! I explained why I like a policy lynch, not much more I can do i guess. I don't see the problem with posting a lot if they say something, if i put it all in the same post its still the same amount of reading. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 21 2012 07:38 kitaman27 wrote: Is this the standard mafia "opps I got caught in a discrepancy". Time to claim change in playstyle! I hate these meta arguments. People are not automatons that play every single game as a particular alignment in the exact same fashion. Stupid question too, doesn't pressure him even if he is mafia. I've never seen a policy lynch work on TL, not even LAL because town players here lie so often and my perspective is that TL towns are fairly gullible in general. On February 21 2012 07:24 redFF wrote: I disagree, I think a policy lynch day 1 does a number of useful things. I will lay them out. Day 1 is the hardest day to get a scumlynch, as town has the least information available to it. A policy lynch means not possibly mislynching a strong town player. Policy lynches and the reactions to them are very useful. They get lots of juicy reactions. We get rid of a bad. Honestly the chance of a policy lynch hitting scum is about as good as hitting scum from a flimsy day 1 case. We also don't lynch radfield the blue day 1, but thats similar to my only point regarding getting rid of a bad. Day 1 is usually somewhat of a crapshoot in 48/24 games. Policy lynches are good, embrace them. There have been good Day 1 cases on multiple occasions. On Day 1 in the ongoing Arkham City game both VisceraEyes/Sheth got pretty close to the chopping block. "Bad" is a subjective term as well, who decides whether a player is good or bad? The "town"? You might as well pick a random amount of "bad" inactives and just RNG the lynch, what a waste of a Day 1 discussion. Putting votes on inactive townies/policy lynches generates almost no real pressure on a player over whether or not they are scum but only creates arguments over whether or not a policy lynch is justified. Mafia is designed so that the town can still win fairly easily even if they mislynch on the first day. It is not designed to make it impossible to lynch scum on first day or so that people will not try. You get better discussion out of people making, or being forced to make, real cases on people. When mafia have to make bad analysis, they get exposed. You don't have to policy lynch to avoid lynching "blue radfield" or anything like that either. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I'm in favor of a Policy Lynch if and only if we're unable to reasonably come up with a scum lynch candidate by the middle of D1. This is very unlikely, as everyone has their opinion of what constitutes scummy behavior and there will likely be several candidates put forth in the effort to lynch actual scum. Re: VI Tyran I'm a proponent of "innocent until proven guilty". If Tyran becomes a problem, and no clear scum candidate emerges, I can feasibly get down on a Tyran lynch...in the meantime, I won't support a lynch of Tyran for the reason of "you know, it's Tyran."...I have deep-seeded problems with Palmar for this very thing. All it does is introduce negative feelings into the game and drive away players. It's dumb. Like, you can play to win without doing it at the expense of others. Re: Spammy RedFF Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone. Re: RoL HI ROL!! | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On February 21 2012 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I know, its just blazinghand seemed to expressing familiarity with them.I hate these meta arguments. People are not automatons that play every single game as a particular alignment in the exact same fashion. Stupid question too, doesn't pressure him even if he is mafia. I've never seen a policy lynch work on TL, not even LAL because town players here lie so often and my perspective is that TL towns are fairly gullible in general. There have been good Day 1 cases on multiple occasions. On Day 1 in the ongoing Arkham City game both VisceraEyes/Sheth got pretty close to the chopping block. "Bad" is a subjective term as well, who decides whether a player is good or bad? The "town"? You might as well pick a random amount of "bad" inactives and just RNG the lynch, what a waste of a Day 1 discussion. I disagree. There are points where a player is so useless and terrible that they are objectively bad.Putting votes on inactive townies/policy lynches generates almost no real pressure on a player over whether or not they are scum but only creates arguments over whether or not a policy lynch is justified. It creates early day 1 discussion, something I think it has done this game, so that's one good thing. It also forces the person to post and post constructively, something they may not do otherwise. It doesn't only create arguments about whether a policy lynch is justified, it creates discussion about different things, as we have already seen. Mafia is designed so that the town can still win fairly easily even if they mislynch on the first day. Yes it is, so why not get rid of dead weight. It is not designed to make it impossible to lynch scum on first day or so that people will not try. I don't disagree, a policy lynch is simply a suggestion. You get better discussion out of people making, or being forced to make, real cases on people. When mafia have to make bad analysis, they get exposed. No shit, policy lynching doesn't FORCE EVERYONE TO STOP ANALYSING. You don't have to policy lynch to avoid lynching "blue radfield" or anything like that either. yes but it helps.Re: Spammy RedFF Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone. I'm a proponent of "innocent until proven guilty". derp | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
The fact that you're so vocal about this Policy Lynch discussion tells me that you're trying to hollowly contribute to the thread, because a VI Policy Lynch, no matter how you slice it, isn't designed to lynch scum. And no matter how much you say "it generates discussion", when that's all you're discussing, it doesn't add anything constructive to the thread either. Therefor, I'm upgrading you from a Spam Policy Lynch to a full-fledged Scum Lynch. Congratulations RedFF. Now die. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Policy lynching because of a single bad game is complete and utter bullshit. If we start doing that we're not done policy-lynching for the next couple weeks. Heck, I shot 3 townies, want to policy lynch me as well because of that and ignore the other 6 games I did? If this guy shows up and changes his attitude he is fine imo. If he 's not he's getting lynched if there's noone else screaming mafia. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
PEOPLE PEOPLE The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has. VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On February 21 2012 08:14 Toadesstern wrote: If this guy shows up and changes his attitude he is fine imo. If he 's not he's getting lynched if there's noone else screaming mafia. GET OUT OF THIS THREDA WITH YOUR SENSE. | ||
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