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Toadesstern
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:51 Toadesstern wrote: am doing a big post about wbg right now to explain what he's doing :p HAHA | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh wait it was scara who got modkilled in Salem right? I got him confused with RoL. @Toades It isn't a scumslip to say he's pretty sure these 3 guys are scum. You're grasping at straws defensively, it's really obvious to me now. It's not about what he says but what he clearly leaves out. He says those 3 guys are mafia. He votes me. He says we should keep our votes between those 3 people. He DOES NOT SAY that we need to focus on one guy to not give mafia a chance to manipulate this vote. He simpyl votes me, leaving you with the choice of what to do now. There is no way Town-WBG would do such a thing. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 21 2012 09:59 wherebugsgo wrote: VE stfu you suck Everyone else sucks marginally less ATM. Mostly chaoser is doing the least sucking. Blazinghand learn to play I have to program for a few hours so I'll bbl. Till then I suggest you all brush up on Ver's guide since the last page has made my eyes bleed. That is essentually the wbg we all now. Yes he's a bit rough but he usually does that to get some reactions and see what people think about each other. He loves to do posts like that as town because a lot of people get offended and therefore repeat to a post like that. Keep that in mind. That's his very first post and that is Town-WBG, but we got several posts that are nothing like his usual town style. Also keep in mind impersonating that kind of style is pretty easy because you only need to know how to be a dick, you don't actually have to say something of use. Ok here's an impression from Chaoser: On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote: yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM). Here's a thing about wbg's Mafia style: He tries to impersonate the dick he is when playing town but from time to time buddies people or is brownnosing. Chaoser had that feeling, I had that feeling about him as well. WBG really isn't the kind of guy that tells people they're good within a game because of his immense ego. Never ever. + Show Spoiler [proof for ego] + On February 21 2012 10:54 wherebugsgo wrote: redFF=bad=I have no idea what his alignment is atm. If you want a general idea of how I deal with redFF, look at Resurrection (in which I call him bad repeatedly and then actually defend him from the onslaught of Ace) or at XLVII where I completely ignore him. He was opposite alignment in those two games and honestly I could barely tell the difference. I guess part of that stems from not wanting to read/decipher his posts. Since I believe redFF is going to be comparatively unreadable to some of the other players here (read: syllo, kita, chaoser, you, RoL, Jackal, Toad, risk) I think it's more fruitful for us to be pushing players who will react in ways we expect them to react depending on their alignments. As of now, yes, that means I think chaoser is scummy because he called it strange for me to buddy him and then turned around and buddied you in the next sentence. Remember: need to know basis. Why does anyone need to know chaoser's town reads? I mean come on. Yeah fine I get why you list myself and risk, but the rest? But that's not the point, he really thinks he's that awesome :p + Show Spoiler [next bigger post] + On February 21 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote: 1) 1a) I have no fucking clue what he really thinks, since I'm not him, but solely based on how dumb his play is, yes. I think he believes everything he says is good play because he views himself so highly. Example from Resurrection that I'll never forget: 2)] He strongly believes this, and Ace said something I couldn't say better myself: people get lynched for all sorts of reasons, and a lot of the time it isn't even their own fault. Look at Hammer Mini: I get lynched for not showing up for like 4 hours. It wasn't a long time (and basically I got lynched because my keyboard broke, more or less. I hadn't done anything alignment-indicative at that point and everyone just bandwagoned) Same thing happened in resurrection : two townies got lynched because they were unable to defend themselves from the town derpwagon spearheaded by redFF, who at the time 100% believed they were scum. 1b) Standard retarded redFF play 2) Loaded question: short answer, yes. Scum do it all the time IMO. But the problem is, so do bads. For reference, here's more of redFF playing the victim: (look at the irony in that last post: he complains about being called stupid but the first thing he said called everyone else retarded LOL) 3) redFF plays victim all the time as town. I pointed it out because I instinctively point out things that I find to be scummy. However, since everything redFF ever does is scummy, I don't see how that is helpful. 2a) answered; yes; instinctive to point out scumtells 2b) answered; because redFF is possibly the worst player I've played with and because I disagree that it's actually even a scumtell with his posting history 1) = he thinks redFF is probably town 2) = Excuse for lynching townies 3) = he really thinks redFF is a townie Why did you vote redFF early on to switch to BC again wbg? Answer in spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2012 06:37 wherebugsgo wrote: That's the reasonsyllo can you give me your opinion on redFF? I think I was completely wrong about him. + Show Spoiler [ next big post] + On February 21 2012 11:49 wherebugsgo wrote: 1) at no point have I said I ever think I am good. In fact I realize I am not. However, that doesn't stop me from calling out bad play, cause damn it's so fun to do so. Since you know redFF better than I ever will, mind telling us what he is? At the moment I still don't see anything other than normal redFF, which isn't worth wasting a vote on. Voting him just makes the thread explode with more useless one liners. Since you love Ace so much, that's all I have to say on the matter. 1) Yeah, that's not town-WBG. I already said something about his ego didn't I? That's him kind of brownnosing. WBG thinks he' awesome, one of the best players around and he's saying that to look modest. Why should he do that as a townie? Why would he want to appear modest when everyone knows he's not? + Show Spoiler [ next big post] + On February 21 2012 12:43 wherebugsgo wrote: 1) I care about your opinion, same as I care about the opinion of the majority of the players in this game. As town shouldn't it be your priority to get people to care about your opinion? You just said you think people don't care much for your thoughts. Even if it's only a few hours into the game you think that's a good thing for a townie? I think it's great for scum to not listened to, and in fact that makes you look a lot scummier. You're perceptive about how others view you and yet you don't seem to care all that much. It might be early in the day but that doesn't prevent bandwagons from starting. The one lesson I learned from all the games in which I watched a townie die day 1 is that you have to stop the bandwagon's momentum as soon as you believe that it is picking up steam for the wrong reasons. In fact, at times it matters less what you think about the subject and more so what you think of the players who are pushing. A great example would be Some Mafia Game or Steamship. In Steamship, for one, I screamed for hours about how Kenpachi and sinani could not possibly be scum and completely missed the people on their wagons who pushed them with no scrutiny. I could tell even at only 3 or 4 votes that those bandwagons were going badly but I did not do the correct things to stop them. Perhaps this game will be different. I don't know what redFF is simply based on reading his posts, but based on how he's been voted I don't feel confident about that lynch. (and ofc his meta) 2) Finally, you probably know this, but as it's early morning in Europe I doubt Toad will be posting any time soon. 1) Same as above. wbg kind of brownnosing and everyone knows he's not that kind of player. Remember L? He said after the game he knew I was Town all along and kept pushing me for the lulz and to see me raging. Some people actually listened to him and like 3 or 4 people thought I was mafia in that game and started to tunnel me although there was nothing that looked like a mafia. In fact someone at some point snapped and said something along the lines "OK I'VE GOT ENOUGH OF YOU. I'LL WATCH REREAD YOUR FILTER AND MAKE THE BEST FUCKING CASE EVER". You know what happened? 2 hours later the guy got back in the thread telling me he found nothing that made me look like a mafia. THAT IS WBG. He is not a nice guy as townie. He does that on purpose to get reactions. 2) I already quoted that earlier and said that looks like mafia-wbg. No way wbg would post such a thing. He loves seeing people defend themselves. Sure I was asleep but town-wbg would not have posted a shit about it. Town wbg would have loved me to wake up the next morning and post something to defend MYSELF because wbg can judge me based on my defense. However, wbg does not need to judge people, he already knows my alignment. Also I got the opinion he's buddying me. He saw me in AC and thought I'm not capable to find mafia and I'll agree my town play really i not the best so he figured I'm a nice buddy-target because telling people I'm town is no threat to mafia if he thinks I'm not capable to catch mafia. + Show Spoiler [next post] + On February 22 2012 07:30 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't explain shit to scum to help them defend themselves, sorry. In reality it's "I don't explain shit to people to help them defend themselves, sorry.". That has nothing to with redFF but with the fact that he actually was defending me early on without a reason. + Show Spoiler [next big post] + On February 22 2012 12:30 wherebugsgo wrote: I love you so much right now. However, if you turn out to be the godfather I will hate myself forever. wat? Oh god that post gets big and it's only the first 2 pages of his filter... You get what I'm talking about right? Wbg isn't the kind of guy he tries to show us from time to time in this game. He is brownnosing and buddying as mafia. Look through his filter and check for things like that. I can't just quote every single one of of those posts. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
Q: Is DrH's filter long? A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting. Q: Have DrH called anyone scum? A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have. Q: How many have he called scum? A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful. Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players? A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE. Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people. A: No. Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang? A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so. Q: Is he scum himself then? A: What a observant questioneer. He might. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Here's a thing about wbg's Mafia style: He tries to impersonate the dick he is when playing town but from time to time buddies people or is brownnosing. Chaoser had that feeling, I had that feeling about him as well. WBG really isn't the kind of guy that tells people they're good within a game because of his immense ego. Never ever. My first game of Mafia. I was town WBG was town. WBG complimented my play and told me that my analysis was good. + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2011 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote: this is good analysis. The problem is that the chance of getting steveling lynched today is almost 0. I agree with you on most of your points, particularly that he is fond of using unsubstantiated accusations and generalizations to accuse others of being scum. Other than steveling, are there players who currently have a chance at getting lynched that you would like to see dead? What are your thoughts on BC, prplhz, deconduo, and Hier? + Show Spoiler [Best post in thread] + On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote: I'll do a short Q&A for you guys. Q: Is DrH's filter long? A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting. Q: Have DrH called anyone scum? A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have. Q: How many have he called scum? A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful. Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players? A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE. Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people. A: No. Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang? A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so. Q: Is he scum himself then? A: What a observant questioneer. He might. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica
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layabout
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 28 2012 06:17 layabout wrote: Toad, you are wrong. Again. My first game of Mafia. I was town WBG was town. WBG complimented my play and told me that my analysis was good. + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2011 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote: this is good analysis. The problem is that the chance of getting steveling lynched today is almost 0. I agree with you on most of your points, particularly that he is fond of using unsubstantiated accusations and generalizations to accuse others of being scum. Other than steveling, are there players who currently have a chance at getting lynched that you would like to see dead? What are your thoughts on BC, prplhz, deconduo, and Hier? + Show Spoiler [Best post in thread] + On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote: I'll do a short Q&A for you guys. Q: Is DrH's filter long? A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting. Q: Have DrH called anyone scum? A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have. Q: How many have he called scum? A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful. Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players? A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE. Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people. A: No. Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang? A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so. Q: Is he scum himself then? A: What a observant questioneer. He might. yeah but he had a reason to call that good I suppose? We're talking about the first 2 pages of our game which were complete bullshit and he tells people that everyone but chaoser are behaving like retards when there was no awesome analysis or whatever. What about the rest? Do you really think wbg would defend me as a townie? Don't you think he would want to watch while I defend myself rather than giving me a defense himself? Do you really think Town-wbg would make posts that make him look modest? Why should he? | ||
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wherebugsgo
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Do you really think wbg would defend me as a townie? Yes, i think he would. But If and ONLY if he felt that you were town. In previous games such as Tl mafia 47 WBG vehemently defended Palmar from the lynch because he believed that he was town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12436802 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12440229 + Show Spoiler [Fun Fact] + If you ctrl F his filter you will see that "Palmar" comes up 537 times But Toadesstern, your play this game is in no way town-like. You have made multiple posts that look like scum-slips and much of what you recently written appears forced. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On February 28 2012 06:46 layabout wrote: I will answer the 1 non-loaded question Yes, i think he would. But If and ONLY if he felt that you were town. In previous games such as Tl mafia 47 WBG vehemently defended Palmar from the lynch because he believed that he was town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12436802 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12440229 + Show Spoiler [Fun Fact] + If you ctrl F his filter you will see that "Palmar" comes up 537 times But Toadesstern, your play this game is in no way town-like. You have made multiple posts that look like scum-slips and much of what you recently written appears forced. What you posted doesn't matter. You said he defended palmar from being lynched because he thought he was town. I'm not saying something about that. Of course he would do that as a townie. The question was more like: Do you really think he would defend me like that without a reason? I had not a single vote on me on d1. Except for Jackal noone said I look like a mafia and he was obviously fishing for reactions. Again, why should he defend me like that? That's nothing like wbg. How is my play in no way town-like? I already explained this a couple of times. I really pay attention to what I'm posting when I'm mafia, so it's either I'm doing those "scumslips" in there on purpose or it's me not paying attention because I interpret it the way I am thinking because I don't even think of other possibly explanations. Look at my mafia game as mafia in TL Mafia XLVIII and tell me what you think. I was the guy who was considered to be the most likely be town in that game. Here's what rad said about my game in another thread: On February 24 2012 13:20 Radfield wrote: No, that's not why you were in group 2. I just needed more padding for group 2: risk.nuke because the previous game i played with him he was hyper-aggressive which often makes people suspicious, and Toad because your scum play is very 'pro-town' oriented which means that even if you are posting pro-town it's easy to be suspicious of you. This is nothing like my mafia game and I already mentioned it it's pretty easy to figure me out: If there's noone willing to vote me you need to lynch me because I'm mafia. If there's a bunch of random morons argueing about what I possibly meant with that one phrase, who are willing to vote me for saying something that never was intended to be interpreted that way I am townie because I'm to lazy to check what I typed. Of course you could argue that I might be a mafia who does those "scumslips" (which really are not scumslips because you're misunderstanding what I wrote) but just ask yourself if that's likely to be the case. Look at the PYP irc mafia. Everyone was able to vote what the mafia power is going to be and mafia-only was allowed to vote what the town power is going to be. I voted mafia to get a godfather and turned out to be a town-vig. 2 secs after the game started we did a massclaim and I claimed vig because people where referring to massclaim the roles and in reality it was "massclaim what you voted" and I was supposed to claim that I voted mafia to have a godfather. I got lynched withing 5 secs because it looked like a scumslip / mafia who voted for town to have vigis. Yes, that kind of shit happens to me when I'm town. No, that kind of shits never happens when I'm mafia because I'm actually rereading before clicking "post". | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: @Jitsu stop spouting nonsense, syllo was 100% the only person who was playing with any sense. By talking about other hits you're just begging to speculate about scum goals. Which, unless you are scum this game, you have zero ideas about. 100% agree with you, on Toad, that is a massive scumslip. Toad already "knows" BC is town wtf. He'd be a great alternative to a RoL lynch. Dirkzor, however, I have no read on. I don't really know what his meta is and I don't see anything particularly of note in his filter. Can't say much there. @Kita: you've been awful quiet all game. Care to explain what you think right now? @RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. @VE: You're going on a posting spree because you were inactive for 48 hours, not because you actually want to find scum. The fact that you consider me scum after having played on the same team as me in BC's game is indicative of you having malicious goals. You're not town this game and you need to die as well. TL;DR: kill Toad, RoL, VE. If we ensure that the votes stay between these 3 players I'm confident we will hit only scum today. ##vote Toadesstern I know it's nonsense, but it was all things running through my head, and I wanted to have the ability to bounce my ideas off of others, or at least share them. You said you have a no read on Dirkzor. Is it because there isn't anything that you can point at in particular that you think is null? I still have him as scum. My post about him in the beginning, coupled with things like this: On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote: I'll do a short Q&A for you guys. Q: Is DrH's filter long? A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting. Q: Have DrH called anyone scum? A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have. Q: How many have he called scum? A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful. Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players? A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE. Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people. A: No. Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang? A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so. Q: Is he scum himself then? A: What a observant questioneer. He might. make him think he's scum. Like, he comes up with this Q&A about DocH. Then, after setting up the entire thing, falls and says he may be red? @Toad, You're entire case looks like it's built on the fact that WBG is being too nice this game. Did you suddenly forget that WBG drove on person out of the game, and got a warning? Maybe I am missing the point of you're post, but regardless, it doesn't look like he's being THAT modest. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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Toadesstern
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On February 28 2012 07:09 Jitsu wrote: I know it's nonsense, but it was all things running through my head, and I wanted to have the ability to bounce my ideas off of others, or at least share them. You said you have a no read on Dirkzor. Is it because there isn't anything that you can point at in particular that you think is null? I still have him as scum. My post about him in the beginning, coupled with things like this: make him think he's scum. Like, he comes up with this Q&A about DocH. Then, after setting up the entire thing, falls and says he may be red? @Toad, You're entire case looks like it's built on the fact that WBG is being too nice this game. Did you suddenly forget that WBG drove on person out of the game, and got a warning? Maybe I am missing the point of you're post, but regardless, it doesn't look like he's being THAT modest. No it's about trying to impersonate that style and it's clearly not hard to be a dick. But from time to time his mafia meta shines trough. Again, I had 0 votes d1, 0 people attacking me. Why should he defend me? Why should he buddy me / Chaoser ? That's not his usual style. It's like sometimes he's the guy he usually is as town, sometimes he's overdoing it (you already mentioned the warning) and sometimes he's nothing like his town-Meta and that's strange. However, I'd also be willing to lynch RoL. We had several times a bunch of people on RoL (syllo, myself and a third guy, idk by heart who the third guy was yesterday) but other than that noone was voting him. That's strange as well because basicly every vet in this game was calling him out and saying he's mafia, still people went for the "noob" who was posting nonsense although we had a bunch of people saying that BH could very well end up being a confused / noob townie. I'd say RoL and WBG are both mafia, wbg tries to get the next townie hanging (see his posts about RedFF [ok we dont't know his alignment], about BH and now about me) to protect RoL with a counterwagon instead of activly defending RoL. In fact he says he wants to lynch RoL himself. He knows that there's no possibility to defend him other than a counterwagon and needs to list a couple of people. Those people are VE, RoL and myself. Clearly WBG is not stupid enough to make a list that is 3/3 townies so I'd say it looks bad for RoL as well. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
(anything past 5 may be completely arbitrary) 1.) prplhz: On February 23 2012 03:38 prplhz wrote: What the fuck are you talking about. I complained about the redFF lynch and pushed the BloodyC0bbler lynch. On February 24 2012 13:02 prplhz wrote: I pushed BloodyC0bbler around the time I said that so it's not true when you say that I didn't provide an alternative. On day one, prpl hard defends redff from the lynch, without providing an alternate candidate. He claims to have pushed the BC lynch. Lets take a closer look: On February 23 2012 03:17 prplhz wrote: I think BloodyC0bbler is more scummy, but I think there might be better targets today that I'm more comfortable with. This is like Responsibility Mafia! where BloodyC0bbler was just gone, but he has been scummy so far. On February 23 2012 03:49 prplhz wrote: Since we have dropped the BloodyC0bbler lynch I think that Blazinghand is a good lynch for town, especially if I'm the alternative. On February 23 2012 03:54 prplhz wrote: If BloodyC0bbler is a possiblity then I'm more up for that than anything else. I'm a little unsure of him but he's a ton better than lynching me. On February 23 2012 03:56 prplhz wrote: Like, I think BloodyC0bbler is scummy but I'm always kinda unsure about my reads (because, allegedly, I'm bad). On February 23 2012 05:24 prplhz wrote: I really doubt that BloodyC0bbler is going to attract enough votes don't you think there are other alternatives that are more likely to flip scum than redFF and more likely to pick up enough votes than BloodyC0bbler? Is this honestly what prpl considers pushing? A bunch of wishy-washy statements without providing any actual reasoning? He constantly brings up how bad he is as if he is trying to downplay his abilities. Now lets move on to day two: He starts off by voting RoL. Towards the end of the day he changes to blazing. His reasoning: On February 25 2012 18:20 prplhz wrote: Going to vote Blazinghand. I don't see any reason to believe his claim. ##Vote: Blazinghand The entire game, the strongest reason prpl has believed someone to be scum is because of a Floridian claim. Not once does he even reference his actual posts or behavior. Looking back to day one, prpl was willing to defend red because the claim made sense to him. The next day, a similar claim is provided and he has no reason to believe it. The entire game prpl has responded poorly to pressure and would be a fine lynch candidate. 2.) RebirthOfLeGenD: You can't get frustrated at peoples concerns if they are legitimate points. You've spent more time defending yourself than contributing. You say you're busy. I can understand that, but the game started a week ago and we're still waiting. The only legitimate case you've given us was on DrH. Is there a reason you chose to ignore my concerns with the case? 3.) chaoser: Tough to make a case on someone who hasn't posted since part way through day one. 4.) BloodyC0bbler: As far as I can tell, the only reason people think you are town is because the day one lynch was close. Is this the same day one lynch whose results were covered? Your voting patterns so far have been extremely opportunistic. Rather than commit to a certain scum suspect, you've waited for the bandwagon to become strong and then jump on quoting a random post that suddenly changes your mind. Maybe you could point me towards what makes you town? 5.) wherebugsgo: lol you seriously didn't roll mafia yet again did you? First BH claims scum and now this? On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: @RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. "gosh darnnit, I'd really love to vote for you RoL, but all these townies are just so easy to push" 6.) risk.nuke: Moderately less scummy because his name isn't chaoser. His replacement has a lot of work to do to salvage the game. 7.) dirkzor: On February 23 2012 07:05 Dirkzor wrote: Hahahahahahahhahahaha... Fuck that was a hilarious "flip" :D Haha: "lol that's annoying" Hahaha: "lol that's really annoying" Hahahahahahahhahahaha: "I didn't have anything to do with that. I swear." 8.) DrH: He has been reasonable in the main thread and questionable in the voting thread. I was really surprised to read that he actually voted for Blazinghand. Looking through his filter, I'm really having trouble find the reasoning for his switch. Could you please point me in the direction? What happened to RoL? You're dropping him for today as well? Why are you ignoring your reads and pushing whoever happens to be the flavor of the day? I'd put you higher if the slots weren't already taken. 9.) VisceraEyes: I'm not reading through his filter. You can't make me. Lets go with 9th. 10.) Toadesstern: Appears to be putting more effort in than any other player. I'll take him to lylo any day. 11.) Tyrran: I'm having trouble finding a scum player out of the newer players. I liked how his opinion on blazing changed from day one to day two. Needs to be more helpful if we wants town to win however. 12.) layabout: I read through his filter last and 12 was the only spot remaining. Congrats. 13.) Jitsu: Seems to be looking for things with a town mindframe. Not really pushing his reads very hard though. 14.) kitaman27: lol the scum team isn't even bothering to try to make this guy look bad. Did they fail a hit on him or something? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:56 Toadesstern wrote: It's not about what he says but what he clearly leaves out. He says those 3 guys are mafia. He votes me. He says we should keep our votes between those 3 people. He DOES NOT SAY that we need to focus on one guy to not give mafia a chance to manipulate this vote. He simpyl votes me, leaving you with the choice of what to do now. There is no way Town-WBG would do such a thing. No way I would do that as town? Clearly you have no interest in conveying the truth, or, for that matter, even finding it. Look at any game I've played of this size and you'll see that my strategy as town is nearly identical every game: make a list of players I find scummy, and then focus town into killing them all. I don't focus on one player in bigger games because townies dissent so much that it's too hard. Instead, I call out the people not voting for those players and force them into contributing. Granted, I don't have the presence or activity this game to do all of that, because of school, but my mindset is still the same. Proof: XLV: I make lists of people I'm fine with killing, harass people in PMs about people on my list, scrutinize Mig's list, etc. I didn't play well, but that's basically how it went. Steamship: I push chaoser/nisani day 1 and then say we should lynch all the people who voted on the three town wagons on day 1 and 2. I basically pushed for the lynch of like four people at once. XLVII: This is probably the most obvious one, since the game was huge. I made a list of TEN people day 1 and told town "kill any of them." And I continually updated this list throughout the game. Mafia L: I don't remember what I did here other than tunnel Palmar day 1 and then troll when I had no impact. I didn't play well. Point 1 : the fact that you are misrepresenting my town play is indicative of you stretching to find an argument to call me scum. On February 28 2012 06:08 Toadesstern wrote: Ok here's what's strange about wbg in one big post instead of 4 scattered posts: That is essentually the wbg we all now. Yes he's a bit rough but he usually does that to get some reactions and see what people think about each other. He loves to do posts like that as town because a lot of people get offended and therefore repeat to a post like that. Keep that in mind. That's his very first post and that is Town-WBG, but we got several posts that are nothing like his usual town style. Also keep in mind impersonating that kind of style is pretty easy because you only need to know how to be a dick, you don't actually have to say something of use. This is my first post in the game and is in no way indicative of my alignment, unless you're clairvoyant. In fact, I was actually trolling VE because he said he was waiting for a bunch of people to come into the thread and tell him he sucks and to shut up. So I did. Again, the fact that you are trying to make something out of nothing is indicative of extreme stretching. Yes, some of the things you're saying are true, but none of them help your argument at all. On February 28 2012 06:08 Toadesstern wrote: Ok here's an impression from Chaoser: Here's a thing about wbg's Mafia style: He tries to impersonate the dick he is when playing town but from time to time buddies people or is brownnosing. Chaoser had that feeling, I had that feeling about him as well. WBG really isn't the kind of guy that tells people they're good within a game because of his immense ego. Never ever. + Show Spoiler [proof for ego] + On February 21 2012 10:54 wherebugsgo wrote: redFF=bad=I have no idea what his alignment is atm. If you want a general idea of how I deal with redFF, look at Resurrection (in which I call him bad repeatedly and then actually defend him from the onslaught of Ace) or at XLVII where I completely ignore him. He was opposite alignment in those two games and honestly I could barely tell the difference. I guess part of that stems from not wanting to read/decipher his posts. Since I believe redFF is going to be comparatively unreadable to some of the other players here (read: syllo, kita, chaoser, you, RoL, Jackal, Toad, risk) I think it's more fruitful for us to be pushing players who will react in ways we expect them to react depending on their alignments. As of now, yes, that means I think chaoser is scummy because he called it strange for me to buddy him and then turned around and buddied you in the next sentence. Remember: need to know basis. Why does anyone need to know chaoser's town reads? I mean come on. Yeah fine I get why you list myself and risk, but the rest? But that's not the point, he really thinks he's that awesome :p So you're bringing up that chaoser thought I was buddying him, based on me reading 20 posts? rofl. All that shows is that, at the time I posted that, I had read 20 posts. One page. And yet, you're trying to call me scum for it. Toad u 2 scummy bro Why do I list the other players? Because I've played with them a lot and I know how to read them. Why the fuck do you think I never tried to lynch Jackal or syllo? I can read them more easily than others. Granted, Jackal is harder to read than some other players I've played with before. Up until redFF called Jackal a good scumhunter I believed redFF was unreadable (I had completely ignored his posts.) I went back and reread and I strongly believed he was scum. So I decided it was best we kill him. Also, as town I buddy people all the fucking time. I buddied Palmar super hard in Steamship and XLVII, I buddied a whole slew of townies in PYP:I, even on day 1. That was the game I pushed a relatively new Greymist for mayor because I thought he was town day 1. Granted, that was a PM game, but you get the idea. However, this is all completely irrelevant because you're insinuating something that is untrue; you're saying I defended you, but I never did. What follows is by far the scummiest thing anyone has done in this thread: 2) I already quoted that earlier and said that looks like mafia-wbg. No way wbg would post such a thing. He loves seeing people defend themselves. Sure I was asleep but town-wbg would not have posted a shit about it. Town wbg would have loved me to wake up the next morning and post something to defend MYSELF because wbg can judge me based on my defense. However, wbg does not need to judge people, he already knows my alignment. Also I got the opinion he's buddying me. He saw me in AC and thought I'm not capable to find mafia and I'll agree my town play really i not the best so he figured I'm a nice buddy-target because telling people I'm town is no threat to mafia if he thinks I'm not capable to catch mafia. Toad is referring to when I said he wouldn't respond because he's European. I already explained why I did this, and this is not alignment indicative at all. I'm very aware of activity times because it helps shed light on whether a person is telling the truth or not. In fact, it's a great way to find out whether someone is lying scum, or scum pushing a townie. Example: supersoft in PYP:I claimed something about having an exam in an hour and then posted during the time he should have been taking the exam. Auto-scum. When people push others they know will not respond for a while, it's scummy. Pushing a person who is asleep counts. Why would I point out that Toad was asleep? Because I push people I know are asleep as scum. I already explained this once and again it's scummy that Toad is trying to make me look bad because of it. Out-of-game things like schedules are a good way to find scum but only if used correctly. Keep in mind, last game I played as town I got lynched for not saying anything, when in reality it was impossible for me to say anything. Complete inactivity is not a scumtell. Now, for whichever townies actually have an interest in winning this game, ask yourself this: When did I actually call Toad town this game? How is saying "Toad is probably asleep" calling him town? All I was saying was that Toad's lack of response is not alignment-indicative. That's not calling him town; that's getting the facts straight. So then you see that, based on one thing I said, that said nothing about Toad's alignment, this shit: Also I got the opinion he's buddying me. He saw me in AC and thought I'm not capable to find mafia and I'll agree my town play really i not the best so he figured I'm a nice buddy-target because telling people I'm town is no threat to mafia if he thinks I'm not capable to catch mafia. is just scum stretching; saying I called him town when I did nothing of the sort. And again here: Again, why should he defend me like that? That's nothing like wbg. Misconstruing what I was doing as defending. At no point have I ever defended Toad this game. I haven't defended anyone this game apart from BC and redFF early in the game. Besides BC, only syllo was worth defending and syllo was never in any danger of being lynched, so there was no point in saying that I thought syllo was town. This is nothing like my mafia game and I already mentioned it it's pretty easy to figure me out: If there's noone willing to vote me you need to lynch me because I'm mafia. If there's a bunch of random morons argueing about what I possibly meant with that one phrase, who are willing to vote me for saying something that never was intended to be interpreted that way I am townie because I'm to lazy to check what I typed. The fuck? so you're admitting you're mafia now? No one's been voting you despite you being scummy as shit all game. Syllo thought you were scum too, but focused on BH+RoL because they were more obvious. Ofc BH was just retarded and we have yet to see RoL flip, but you get the idea. Lastly this is really convenient for you, because at any point (such as now) where you are mafia and taking votes you can defend yourself by saying as mafia you don't get votes... which means you wouldn't get lynched. Real convenient, eh? You need to die now. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On February 28 2012 07:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: meta defense = worthless well because there's nothing in my case other than "OLOLO Scumslip" when I clearly was talking about something else. | ||
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this refer to the italics inside the quote. Steveling complains about having to read the thread. In an 80 person game of mafia! He pushes for a modkill on Annul a player he has not addressed until this point!(so he is what a null read with a higher chance of being town than mafia unless steveling's others reads identify a greater proportion of town than mafia) but maybe steveling has a reason to suspect he is mafia.
