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l10f
United States3241 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 12 2012 01:35 l10f wrote: The mafia is winning. We haven't had a single good lynch and I'm sure they've led the mislynches we had so far. We've had no sign of DT or medic. We still don't have a single solid scumread on anyone. If we keep arguing about if its A or B, the scumteam will just tip the balance towards their victory every day. We as town need to consolidate our vote so 2 votes won't affect anything. So whatever we do, effectively it'll just be a list of scummy people and lynching #1 on that list. I made it easier for us and made one in a completely town point of view. If you think my list sucks, then tell me what we should do, because obviously we're not doing things right. Dude, it's been like 2 nights so far. Chances are the DT or Tracker has like 2 results both of which are "not scum" and maybe 1 or more of which is someone who got modkilled. Like, if I were a DT I know that N2 I would have checked Kenpachi. Just because we haven't heard a DT or Medic roleclaim doesn't mean they're not out there trying to do good work. Don't go fishing for claims. And your list is dumb. Just talk about your top scumreads. If your list legitimately doesn't work if the top 2 aren't at least one scum, why ar eyou even posting the list... just talk about those two .). <--- unicorn head | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 12 2012 01:35 l10f wrote: The mafia is winning. We haven't had a single good lynch and I'm sure they've led the mislynches we had so far. We've had no sign of DT or medic. We still don't have a single solid scumread on anyone. If we keep arguing about if its A or B, the scumteam will just tip the balance towards their victory every day. We as town need to consolidate our vote so 2 votes won't affect anything. So whatever we do, effectively it'll just be a list of scummy people and lynching #1 on that list. I made it easier for us and made one in a completely town point of view. If you think my list sucks, then tell me what we should do, because obviously we're not doing things right. I've bolded the bits that are even more bollocks than the rest. 1) you're sure they've led the mislynches? Eiii hasn't led anything, that's for sure. I've been in favour of a Nova_Terra lynch since night 1/day 2, and layabout led the BM lynch. Ergo, bollocks. 2) we have solid scumreads. tried reading the thread? bollocks. 3) you made it easier for us? a bollocks list based on the complete contradiction of point 1) made in a totally mythical 'completely townie point of view'? Bollocks. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On May 12 2012 01:48 Blazinghand wrote: Since, you know, he's suddenly started acting like scum. Didn't you read his 100% objective list?! He's like, 8th. list doesn't lie bro | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On May 12 2012 01:35 l10f wrote: The mafia is winning. We haven't had a single good lynch and I'm sure they've led the mislynches we had so far. We've had no sign of DT or medic. We still don't have a single solid scumread on anyone. If we keep arguing about if its A or B, the scumteam will just tip the balance towards their victory every day. We as town need to consolidate our vote so 2 votes won't affect anything. So whatever we do, effectively it'll just be a list of scummy people and lynching #1 on that list. I made it easier for us and made one in a completely town point of view. If you think my list sucks, then tell me what we should do, because obviously we're not doing things right. Its pretty hard to "tip the balance" with 2/12 people. Thats also why I say don't throw away your votes as a townie. If the person you think is not going to get lynched and you can't convince anyone else. Then use your best judgement to vote for who you think is scummiest that has a possiblity of getting lynched. Throwing away your vote on a person with 0 votes ultimately gives the mafia heavier sway in deciding who gets lynched. And no 2 mafia to 10 townies is a good position. We haven't lost any PR's but I doubt we have any. If we keep the discussion active town will win. The fact that half the town is quiet most of the town is the only chance of town losing. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On May 12 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote: I've bolded the bits that are even more bollocks than the rest. 1) you're sure they've led the mislynches? Eiii hasn't led anything, that's for sure. I've been in favour of a Nova_Terra lynch since night 1/day 2, and layabout led the BM lynch. Ergo, bollocks. 2) we have solid scumreads. tried reading the thread? bollocks. 3) you made it easier for us? a bollocks list based on the complete contradiction of point 1) made in a totally mythical 'completely townie point of view'? Bollocks. Marv he says so many things without any back up. Eg, "At least I voted scum" I point more of this out in my case that he buried. He bullshitting his way through the entire game. What do you think of the case I presented on him? What do you think of his recent explosion of scum posts/lack of defense? Lack of any opinion really. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 12 2012 02:02 Eiii wrote: Didn't you read his 100% objective list?! He's like, 8th. list doesn't lie bro Yo Eiii, you didn't respond. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 10:35 PaqMan wrote: + Show Spoiler [laya post1] + On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote: zzzzz We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now? What? No, I don't think you should be lynched for information at all. You should be lynched for pushing BM day one, which accomplished nothing, together with your questionable defense of kat when it wasn't clear that he'd be modkilled, like several other people have pointed out before me. The part about marvel isn't an accusation, just an observation that'll come into play if you flip red. Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though! + Show Spoiler [laya post2] + On May 07 2012 06:36 Eiii wrote: Hey remember that time I prefaced a statement with 'ideally' and then you freaked the fuck out and took it as an actual defense of lurkers even when I explicitly said right beforehand that we should definitely be killing them? That was great. You're deliberately misinterpreting what I said there. I never came anywhere close to saying we should grant lurkers immunity from being lynched, just that they're always the best option when they can easily be killed off in other ways and we can get more out of our lynch. Plus, lynches aren't the most reliable way to kill people by a long shot. With lynches, we have to deal with mafia influence in arguments and votes. With a vig? He just shoots whoever he wants and that person dies. Seems pretty reliable to me! I refuse to believe you actually think this. Mislynching an active town-- or at least one that tries to defend himself-- has a completely different outcome than lynching a lurker who everyone just kind of agrees is *probably* going to be bad for town so whatever let's kill him. Here's how I see things: Day one is always a chaotic waste of time that usually results in a mislynch or something else equally retarded (e.g. BM lynch). Day two is then mostly driven by analyzing who did what day one and, with the information gained from the day/night deaths, how those actions look. And hey, what do you know, that's almost exactly how this game is going! A good chunk of the talk today has been about Kat/206 and how people connect to them or how they connect to others-- but no one has said a thing about the BM lynch. Because it was useless. Let's pretend that you *actually* read and understood that and aren't just trying to attack me for whatever reason. Lynching you for information isn't even remotely close to lynching you because you're scum, and then looking into the connections that start popping up once you flip red. I want to kill you because you've done scummy things. You started a scummy lynch bandwagon day one and you defended another scum, which is suspicious in ways that have been brought up again and again. So I agree-- let's lynch scum! If only you had that same mantra day one, when you decided that you didn't like where the lynch was going so you just threw a lurker (or 'inactive', whatever) onto the fire, who you had no reason to believe was red. What happened to 'let's lynch scum' then? When you're desperate for a lynch you find the scummiest player and you lynch them, you don't just redirect the lynch onto whoever's convenient. 'Player X is scummy and the best candidate we have for a lynch today-- but let's not lynch them! They're smart! Let's at least wait until later.' ...that's a perfectly reasonable, valid defense to you? ok.  Eiii believed layabout was scum at the time of those posts. He then follows up with this: With his reason being: + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 05:59 Eiii wrote: In my experience, when people blow up under pressure like this, they're usually scum :s Why does that bother me? Because he easily dropped his one & only scumread to join the blubb wagon. He had no hesitation with dropping layabout in favor of blubb. His last-minute voteswitch was weird and I don't know what to make of it.FoS. People need to put some attention on him and make him de-lurk. Good D4 lynch. All of my previous fos's were horrible. I will look into NT as a possible lynch and re-evaluate my opinions. Stop lurking man. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:36 Nova_Terra wrote: I kinda like most of that proposal Lends his support to a terrible plan based on lynching people with no cases made. Lest we forget, Nova's main read is apparently on papapanda. Which seemingly leads to this afterthought: On May 11 2012 14:36 Nova_Terra wrote: but i would prefer to lynch grush or papa over marv Realises he forgets to mention his main 'scumread'. Just all kinds of bad because he's lending tacit support to lynching Eiii first, for absolutely no discernable reason. On grush: I can't get over where he posted that he saw no reason to post until someone made a case on him. The anti-town sentiment there is just astonishing. So he lurks, doesn't scumhunt (because he doesn't feel the need? seriously, wtf), and only comes out the woodwork to defend himself. The irony is that he doesn't defend himself at all, he just posts crap. I think this guy is pretty scummy. At the moment his case, though, is superceded by l10f's. What distinguishes l10f and grush is that l10f actually seems pretty capable of logical thought - his posts are arrogant and dismissive, as opposed to grush's headless chicken/ostrich approach. Mementoss, your whole case on him is pretty sound. The list is just all kinds of bad, pushed at us like it's '100% objective' and not his opinion. The fact that he's basically claiming the list is truth when he never makes any attempt to back anything up is really scummy. I also go back to the contradiction I pointed out in my last post. He has Eiii and me as #1 and #2 for lynching, but also explains 'scum have led the mislynches we've had so far'. This statement and his list can't both be accurate, so he's been caught in his own lie. | ||
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On May 12 2012 01:48 Blazinghand wrote: Since, you know, he's suddenly started acting like scum. And why exactly would I do that if I was scum when I had nearly 0 suspicion on me. And even if I did, I could have at least survived through N_T and Grush lynches if I just shut up. | ||
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On May 12 2012 02:02 Eiii wrote: Didn't you read his 100% objective list?! He's like, 8th. list doesn't lie bro This guy gets away with posts like this and people accuse me for actually trying, lol. On May 12 2012 05:43 marvellosity wrote: Ok, regarding Nova_Terra. He's not really posted anything, except for being even more scummy. Lends his support to a terrible plan based on lynching people with no cases made. Lest we forget, Nova's main read is apparently on papapanda. Which seemingly leads to this afterthought: Realises he forgets to mention his main 'scumread'. Just all kinds of bad because he's lending tacit support to lynching Eiii first, for absolutely no discernable reason. On grush: I can't get over where he posted that he saw no reason to post until someone made a case on him. The anti-town sentiment there is just astonishing. So he lurks, doesn't scumhunt (because he doesn't feel the need? seriously, wtf), and only comes out the woodwork to defend himself. The irony is that he doesn't defend himself at all, he just posts crap. I think this guy is pretty scummy. At the moment his case, though, is superceded by l10f's. What distinguishes l10f and grush is that l10f actually seems pretty capable of logical thought - his posts are arrogant and dismissive, as opposed to grush's headless chicken/ostrich approach. Mementoss, your whole case on him is pretty sound. The list is just all kinds of bad, pushed at us like it's '100% objective' and not his opinion. The fact that he's basically claiming the list is truth when he never makes any attempt to back anything up is really scummy. I also go back to the contradiction I pointed out in my last post. He has Eiii and me as #1 and #2 for lynching, but also explains 'scum have led the mislynches we've had so far'. This statement and his list can't both be accurate, so he's been caught in his own lie. Man, I should have never accused you bro, it seems like anyone who accuses you becomes instant scumread and you do everything you can to bend my words and make me look bad. How about this, we lynch Eiii and if he turns out town then you can do whatever with me. If he flips scum we follow my list. According to some we're in a good situation and we can afford a mislynch to oust an obvious scum like l10f. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On May 12 2012 05:44 l10f wrote: And why exactly would I do that if I was scum when I had nearly 0 suspicion on me. And even if I did, I could have at least survived through N_T and Grush lynches if I just shut up. So here you are admitting to acting like scum. The real question is why would you act like scum if you were town? | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 12 2012 05:50 Mementoss wrote: So here you are admitting to acting like scum. The real question is why would you act like scum if you were town? Sorry, but I don't see where he's "admitting to acting like scum"? | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Lynch NT first. l10f is a close second. Either lynch would be good. Trust Blazinghand. Blazinghand don't ever say you will eat your hat, it never works out. Actually if you have your doubts about him, just try explain the night 1 extra KP. If you have doubts ask hosts questions. Keep an eye on Marv and Paqman. I think they are both town but do not give them free passes examine their play. (Yes I was trying to make a case against paq, but then thought I was wrong about it) If you are in this list, and actually are town stop lurking, froggy, eiii, papapanda, grush. Anyone in this list could also be the second scum. Scum: N_T l10f Null red: eiii Null: Froggy papapanda grush Light blue: Marv Paqman Royal Blue: Blazinghand | ||
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papapanda
Taiwan326 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Player’s Votes: 1. Nova_Terra Day1 Mementoss Day2 Kenpachi (modkilled) Day3 papapanda 2. froggynoddy Day1 grush57 Day2 blubbdavid (lynched) Day3 grush57 3. papapanda Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 layabout Day3 layabout (lynched) 4. Sinensis Day1 grush57 Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 layabout (lynched) 5. Paqman Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 (Kenpachi) (modkilled) Day3 layabout (lynched) 6. Mementoss Day1 Nova_Terra Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 Nova_Terra 7. Blazinghand Day1 Nova_Terra Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 Nova_Terra 8. marvellosity Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 Nova_Terra Day3 Nova_Terra 9. Eiii Day1 Mementoss Day2 layabout Day3 layabout (lynched) 10. I10f Day1 Day2 Eiii Day3 grush57 11. grush57 Day1 Bill Murray (lynched) Day2 blubbdavid (lynched) Day3 layabout (lynched) Things that stand out: grush's votes have all resulted in lynch. No one voted on ANY red EXCEPT NT (and paqman) on Kenpachi, where he got modkilled afterwords. papapanda's votes have been all townies: ( BH and Mementoss has put all their votes on NT DARN it was color coded before>< | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Day 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDPC3dNGKDw&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLzBwJmlkR7m0DlCE4BmG1tw I hope You've taken a quick course "Mafia for dummies" during the night. Did I mention You are a bunch of village idiots? I think our contract is not worth it. Prove me wrong. - Announcer Mementoss the BLU Depressed Soldier is DEAD. | ||
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