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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18308 Posts
July 04 2012 19:39 GMT
#1241
But tell me why anyway. I want to hear more of your reasoning.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
July 04 2012 19:43 GMT
#1242
Cause Twelve suspected Bugs, who wasn't under pressure at the time, and rastaban. The guy who got killed by mafia.

I wouldn't understand the actions from a scum point of view.

There's a lot of talk about ET already. Take the way he tries to influence bandwagons without reads.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22370 Posts
July 04 2012 19:45 GMT
#1243
It's a pretty small piece of evidence in a filter that mostly paints a bad light on him. I'd still vote for him if I didn't see it.
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
July 04 2012 20:09 GMT
#1244
On July 05 2012 04:24 ShiaoPi wrote:
Twelve who is your topscumread? Really casualman?

oh and Mandalor, why ninjavote?


Ninjavote? I explained I'd go for either Katina or Twelve. Doesn't look like Katina will gain enough votes so I went for Twelve.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18308 Posts
July 04 2012 20:19 GMT
#1245
On July 05 2012 04:43 Vivax wrote:
Cause Twelve suspected Bugs, who wasn't under pressure at the time, and rastaban. The guy who got killed by mafia.

I wouldn't understand the actions from a scum point of view.

There's a lot of talk about ET already. Take the way he tries to influence bandwagons without reads.

I have to say that I missed that bit from Twelve. Let me take another look, it could be a mistake, but you're right, there's something wonky there. In fact, it's the same reason why I started to think you weren't scum after all, lol.

I have to say that twelve's posts are harder to make sense of. It's not so much a case as a conspiracy theory. I'll have to think about it.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
July 04 2012 20:31 GMT
#1246
On July 05 2012 05:09 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 04:24 ShiaoPi wrote:
Twelve who is your topscumread? Really casualman?

oh and Mandalor, why ninjavote?


Ninjavote? I explained I'd go for either Katina or Twelve. Doesn't look like Katina will gain enough votes so I went for Twelve.


Then say so in thread and not just vote.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
July 04 2012 20:41 GMT
#1247
Okay

##vote Twelve
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18308 Posts
July 04 2012 20:50 GMT
#1248
Okay. Gone over the whole passage and it's a giant contradiction. I can't make sense of this. Just gonna post it in case someone else can make sense of the screwball logic that is happening here:

First relevant post, when Twelve goes all paranoid theory:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 03 2012 06:43 Twelve wrote:
I'm hesitant to post this,but I have a feeling I may be killed tonight, and a REALLY strong feeling NoSmurfHere WILL NOT be Mafia killed tonight. I made a list of people who jumped on the mKmKmK lynch as I felt it was just an attempt of mafia to get a townie lurker lynched. As I went through the list of names using their filters, I came to some tentative conclusions.


My current read is that if there is a Ringleader in this game (godfather), it is NoSmurfHere.

+ Show Spoiler +
NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 01 2012 10:25
Also your belief in "proof" probably suggests you shouldn't be playing mafia, given that most accurate reads are not based on anything anywhere close to proof.


I feel he may be breadcrumbing for a detective role check. It was just a note next to his name when I

Look at the interaction between NoSmurfHere and rastaban. After NoSmurfHere starts the bandwagon against mKmKmK(a lurker lynch I really didn't agree with), he seems very interested in a role claim from NoSmurfHere, perhaps trying to get a detective to waste a night and make a really dangerous "confirmed towny".


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 01 2012 00:53 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 00:45 EchelonTee wrote:
On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states:
All flavour will appear exactly as it is here.
[blue]This is true for all roles.

I don't want to discuss NoSmurfHere's wording of the claim; I'm focusing on the fact that he generically claimed Vanilla Townie, and mKmKmK reacting strangely at it ("vague post is vague") is an eye catcher.

Yeah let's not anger the host.

The other option is he is a blue acting strangely to it, but I am sure Mafia already thought of this if he isn't on their team so he is outed regardless of alignment. I think this is the easy and probably accurate lynch for today, so we should be thinking about pushing for a role claim from him.



I may be reaching, but again, I think I may wake up dead and wanted to get my thoughts out there.
[/b][/blue]
Is he trying to link Bugs and Rastaban as scum members?

He quotes Rastaban talking with EchelonTee about Bugs's VT roleclaim and says he's quoting an exchange between Rastaban and Bugs.
At the time, I read this as him saying Rastaban or mK was a town DT who Bugs was trying to poke into checking him at night.

I also didn't read Rastaban's post as him saying someone should check Bugs at night, but rather someone should check mK. So this whole thing confused me and all I got from that was "he says bugs is scum, but out-wifoms himself and says he's the godfather". That has two explanations: he's scum and knows bugs will look like town, or he's a townie out-wifoming himself who really thinks bugs is scumslipping his godfather role (as marvellosity seemed to think). What I didn't get from it was the theory of Bugs+Rastaban scumbuddies.

The follow-up at daytime:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 04 2012 09:39 Twelve wrote:
Alright I'm going to try and clarify some things since apparently I didn't explain myself very coherently.

On the Foxtrotter swtich -

I had just got a scummy read on foxtrotter out of the thread. I checked the voting thread and saw that a large bandwagon had formed on him. When I went to find out why there was such a huge swing of votes towards him, I noticed that I had less then 1 hour to vote. Instead of figuring out exactly how much time I had I just "ninja" switched in both threads.

On saying "soooo, i guess i'll shut up :D " -

I had just posted a ridiculous conspiracy theory/rant against NoSmurfHere. I still think he is scum, but it was a bad way to present the information. Anyways, pretty much every single thing I wrote turned out to be false. NoSmurfHere cannot be ringleader because BM was the Ringleader. Rastaban cannot be NoSmurfHere's mafia partner because Rastaban turned up green. Once i knew the facts, I felt silly for posting my theory, and offered to shut up.


So this could be the fantastic failing of a scumplan and him covering it up. Or it could be a townie explaining how his giant conspiracy theory just failed spectacularly. I think this needs to be sorted out before we lynch Twelve and I am kinda backing down from my case. The rest of his filter is still terrible, but I agree that this whole conspiracy theory into backpedalling is too fucking weird to see from a scum mindset from my point of view.

[b]##unvote for now.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
July 04 2012 21:01 GMT
#1249
On July 05 2012 05:41 Mandalor wrote:
Okay

##vote Twelve


Was more about the entire explanation etc. but yeah that works
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
kingdedede
Profile Joined June 2012
Kazakhstan80 Posts
July 04 2012 21:04 GMT
#1250
Gonna trust VE and Mattchew on this one for now. I'll puzzle out this Twelve thing later. Bah, was so sure he was scum.

##vote EchelonTee
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 04 2012 21:24 GMT
#1251
You voted with the wrong account acro.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
July 04 2012 21:25 GMT
#1252
@maju: What are your thoughts on ET?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 04 2012 21:26 GMT
#1253
I find ET scummy in his lack of scumhunting but his thoughts on wiggles followed a similar thought process to mine so right no I like 12 more.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 04 2012 21:27 GMT
#1254
Plus 12 has a lot of contradictions and unexplained stuff that makes me suspicious.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 04 2012 21:31 GMT
#1255
Also, ET may have jumped on lynches but that could merely stem from agreeing with the bandwagons. Though scummy, there is a somewhat sensible explanation. As a townie 12's actions really shouldn't be happening.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 04 2012 21:42 GMT
#1256
Why is it different for twelve MG?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 04 2012 21:51 GMT
#1257
:/

12 where did your NSH read go? You said you still think he's scum but you never followed up with a case or vote or anything?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
July 04 2012 21:53 GMT
#1258
On July 05 2012 06:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why is it different for twelve MG?

ET concurring with the general sentiment of the thread is possible. 12 just goes off and draws his own odd conclusions and says weird stuff that he doesn't seem to really believe.

Just for clarification, I don't like ET's go with the flow play either, I just dislike 12's odd choices more.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 04 2012 21:56 GMT
#1259
I'm torn...they both look so bad.

Twelve does look worse by virtue of posting alone...and removing meta he's probably the better lynch. b:/
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 04 2012 21:58 GMT
#1260
EchelonTee has asked to withdraw from the game. I am currently looking for a replacement. If you know one, please let them know of the opening.
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