On August 30 2012 07:53 ArvickHero wrote: I think that is close to the most ridiculous ban ever lol
Given that he was warned twice prior, I agree.
wouldn't classify that PM as blackmail, personally ...
I wouldn't classify someone who hasn't heard about it till this thread as a worthy judge, personally ...
I haven't really read any evidence to the contrary (to whether or not it's blackmail or not) in this thread tbh, so yea if I'm misjudging then it's not my fault, but rather those who have failed to provide any sort of convincing statement otherwise. There are several others who agree with the sentiment.
I'm not agreeing w/ MCA here about whether or not rush and bibiane are the same (I don't), or whether or not Game/Shimy/Zimp/BizzyT/etc are or are not trustworthy (they are), I'm just saying that I don't think that really accounts for blackmail in my book.
On August 30 2012 07:53 ArvickHero wrote: I think that is close to the most ridiculous ban ever lol
Given that he was warned twice prior, I agree.
wouldn't classify that PM as blackmail, personally ...
I wouldn't classify someone who hasn't heard about it till this thread as a worthy judge, personally ...
I haven't really read any evidence to the contrary (to whether or not it's blackmail or not) in this thread tbh, so yea if I'm misjudging then it's not my fault, but rather those who have failed to provide any sort of convincing statement otherwise. There are several others who agree with the sentiment.
I'm not agreeing w/ MCA here about whether or not rush and bibiane are the same (I don't), or whether or not Game/Shimy/Zimp/BizzyT/etc are or are not trustworthy (they are), I'm just saying that I don't think that really accounts for blackmail in my book.
Yet your first post contradicts this... o_o
On the contrary, my first post is open-ended enough to support my reasons. I said it was ridiculous, but didn't state specifically why. If I my first post had explicitly stated that I thought it was ridiculous because I feel like it's motivated out of personal reasons or what-not, then yes it would be contradictory. I think it's ridiculous to be banned for a wrong reason .. stating the reason of the ban as "repeated harassment" would be better.
On August 30 2012 07:53 ArvickHero wrote: I think that is close to the most ridiculous ban ever lol
Given that he was warned twice prior, I agree.
wouldn't classify that PM as blackmail, personally ...
I wouldn't classify someone who hasn't heard about it till this thread as a worthy judge, personally ...
I haven't really read any evidence to the contrary (to whether or not it's blackmail or not) in this thread tbh, so yea if I'm misjudging then it's not my fault, but rather those who have failed to provide any sort of convincing statement otherwise. There are several others who agree with the sentiment.
I'm not agreeing w/ MCA here about whether or not rush and bibiane are the same (I don't), or whether or not Game/Shimy/Zimp/BizzyT/etc are or are not trustworthy (they are), I'm just saying that I don't think that really accounts for blackmail in my book.
Yet your first post contradicts this... o_o
On the contrary, my first post is open-ended enough to support my reasons. I said it was ridiculous, but didn't state specifically why. If I my first post had explicitly stated that I thought it was ridiculous because I feel like it's motivated out of personal reasons or what-not, then yes it would be contradictory. I think it's ridiculous to be banned for a wrong reason .. stating the reason of the ban as "repeated harassment" would be better.
i dont care if they are the same person but if rush is clearly a b player from what ive seen why admins let him play??, its unfair for the rest of the players.. if he plays hell win..
The poll has spoken ! It is now conclusive, Bibiane and Rush are the same guy, Scan is probably in on it too in some way. The very organisation said to protect us are in fact the ones covering up this dark secret. Furthermore, by analyzing this thread I have come to the conclusion that not only is Bibiane Rush, but they are also Game, Eywa, Shimy and Zimp ... all in one giant smurfing/scamming machine set out to ... steal the ASL price money!!! ...or something.
On August 30 2012 09:03 DorF wrote: The poll has spoken ! It is now conclusive, Bibiane and Rush are the same guy, Scan is probably in on it too in some way. The very organisation said to protect us are in fact the ones covering up this dark secret. Furthermore, by analyzing this thread I have come to the conclusion that not only is Bibiane Rush, but they are also Game, Eywa, Shimy and Zimp ... all in one giant smurfing/scamming machine set out to ... steal the ASL price money!!! ...or something.
Hi, my name is DorF and I think everyone in the world is a good person, theres no such thing as conspiracy and theres no way in hell that Rush[pain] is a b-/b rank user or that bibiane played on his account!(even though he only lives 5 minutes away)
On August 30 2012 09:03 DorF wrote: The poll has spoken ! It is now conclusive, Bibiane and Rush are the same guy, Scan is probably in on it too in some way. The very organisation said to protect us are in fact the ones covering up this dark secret. Furthermore, by analyzing this thread I have come to the conclusion that not only is Bibiane Rush, but they are also Game, Eywa, Shimy and Zimp ... all in one giant smurfing/scamming machine set out to ... steal the ASL price money!!! ...or something.
Hi, my name is DorF and I think everyone in the world is a good person, theres no such thing as conspiracy and theres no way in hell that Rush[pain] is a b-/b rank user or that bibiane played on his account!(even though he only lives 5 minutes away)
HO HO HO HO
You santa now Johny ? I could have begun to beleive this thread if not the obvious stated issues above, or the fact that it was written by a mad scientist from somewhere in the old eastern bloc... come to think of it, the only 2 poeple I could never trust however flimsy or circumstantial evidence they might produce, are you and beforementioned. And really ... why would Game,Eywa,Zimp,Shimy and so forth try to support bibiane and rush splitting the ASL price money ? I mean I can clearly see the why Bibi would want a peice of that glorious ASL cake. But why would everyone else cover it up, if it now were so obvious (4 replays can't bother to post the rest of the supposed tons of reps he watched, instead he just spends his posts being salty over getting booted from the ASL) But yeah ...drama is always fun, don't get me wrong
<3 BW drama on TL. People actually know how to construct (sometimes even funny) reasoned arguments, post properly, and for the most part don't devolve into an insult clusterfuck.
o.0 in the way the OP presented them, the reps do look similar, but that was probably the point. Need a bigger sample size to be conclusive though. That, or get Rush and bibiane to stream at the same time
On August 30 2012 06:42 thezanursic wrote: Eywa: If you're not already convinced that RuSh and Bibiane are the same player, than look at the last bunch of hotkeys 6+, Bibiane doesn't start to use them until the 12-13 minute mark whereas RuSh starts using them around 8... I'm guessing they have the same purpose, but Bibiane is just a very slow player and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing for those 4 minutes he just spams his CC and shit. Clearly, I'm very convinced by your fancy graphics with no analysis.
The fact that it happens at different times could be attributed to different builds/different builds of opponents.
Find a replay where they are doing the same build and then add some fancy graphics and I'll be convinced that they are not the same person
So basically, you're saying that his screen shots prove nothing and show nothing of value, yet I have to dig up replays and provide screen shots? Funny man.
Funny world we live in, guilty until proven innocent.
I just don't want somebody who might be doing the right thing to get banned and I don't want somebody who might be smurfing to get away with it.
In best case-scenario Rush and Bibiane are proven to be innocent and no further drama is caused because of mca64s wrong assumption.
On August 30 2012 09:03 DorF wrote: The poll has spoken ! It is now conclusive, Bibiane and Rush are the same guy, Scan is probably in on it too in some way. The very organisation said to protect us are in fact the ones covering up this dark secret. Furthermore, by analyzing this thread I have come to the conclusion that not only is Bibiane Rush, but they are also Game, Eywa, Shimy and Zimp ... all in one giant smurfing/scamming machine set out to ... steal the ASL price money!!! ...or something.
Hi, my name is DorF and I think everyone in the world is a good person, theres no such thing as conspiracy and theres no way in hell that Rush[pain] is a b-/b rank user or that bibiane played on his account!(even though he only lives 5 minutes away)
HO HO HO HO
You santa now Johny ? I could have begun to beleive this thread if not the obvious stated issues above, or the fact that it was written by a mad scientist from somewhere in the old eastern bloc... come to think of it, the only 2 poeple I could never trust however flimsy or circumstantial evidence they might produce, are you and beforementioned. And really ... why would Game,Eywa,Zimp,Shimy and so forth try to support bibiane and rush splitting the ASL price money ? I mean I can clearly see the why Bibi would want a peice of that glorious ASL cake. But why would everyone else cover it up, if it now were so obvious (4 replays can't bother to post the rest of the supposed tons of reps he watched, instead he just spends his posts being salty over getting booted from the ASL) But yeah ...drama is always fun, don't get me wrong
I am sure you heard of the saying "don't throw out the baby with the bath water". In other words I never said I agree with his entire "conspiracy" argument (meaning that everyone is in on a conspiracy). My simple point is that you think his argument is extreme and/or dumb so you post how crazy it is. There is something fishy about Rush[Pain] playing in the tournament.
#1 Is it a massive conspiracy including multiple people? Probably not
#2 Could Rush[Pain] just be [Pain]fully obviously above C+ skill level that it makes people think someone else is playing for him, because why else would admins let someone like this play? Maybe
#3 Could Bibiane actually of played some games for him since he lives 5 minutes away? Possibly
The ultimate issue is that no matter how you approach it or what you believe is that most people think Rush[Pain] should not be allowed to participate in the tourney. That's the end result. Period. The last word comes from the organizers though and since it's their tourney then they have the final say. Period. We're just making sure everyone is aware of the situation.
On August 30 2012 06:42 thezanursic wrote: Eywa: If you're not already convinced that RuSh and Bibiane are the same player, than look at the last bunch of hotkeys 6+, Bibiane doesn't start to use them until the 12-13 minute mark whereas RuSh starts using them around 8... I'm guessing they have the same purpose, but Bibiane is just a very slow player and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing for those 4 minutes he just spams his CC and shit. Clearly, I'm very convinced by your fancy graphics with no analysis.
The fact that it happens at different times could be attributed to different builds/different builds of opponents.
Find a replay where they are doing the same build and then add some fancy graphics and I'll be convinced that they are not the same person
So basically, you're saying that his screen shots prove nothing and show nothing of value, yet I have to dig up replays and provide screen shots? Funny man.
Funny world we live in, guilty until proven innocent.
I just don't want somebody who might be doing the right thing to get banned and I don't want somebody who might be smurfing to get away with it.
In best case-scenario Rush and Bibiane are proven to be innocent and no further drama is caused because of mca64s wrong assumption.
You're wrong though.. drama doesn't just take off and leave.
MCA suspects Bibiane = Rush. This would be a big deal because Bibi is gosu while Rush plays in a C league. He PMs the organisation of this league to point this out, offering to keep the discussion internally and is then ACCUSED FOR BLACKMAILING AND BANNED FROM THE LEAGUE (this is pure gold tbh). Having been kicked from the league MCA starts this thread, and starts out by saying Rush and Bibi play 2v2s together. Apparently they are seperate people. But wait, they're actually not. He continues by posting several colourful screenshots. He points out that 31 is close to 32 (while neglecting to point out that these are also close to 29 and 34) while the same holds for 44 and 45 (and 45 and 39 - if this is any evidence, then this bd.Blade fellow is all of them!). More screenshots follow that look nothing alike. There's red circles on them highlighting points in the graphs that don't look particularly similar to one another. Must be my layman's eye. Even more screenshots, now concerning hotkeys. Again they look sort of not similar at all. Must be my layman's eye again right? Thankfully MCA assures us "trust me this is verry unique for each player". If we're just going to trust you then why post these in the first place. He checked alot of replays, TvP and TvZ. No reppack is forthcoming. MCA is 99% sure Rush and Bibi are the same person. Who plays 2v2s with himself. Or something.
Thankfully Game comes in and shares with us that in an entirely different time and space?, zimp couldn't identify them as being the same person. Does that rule out the possibility of occasional smurfing? No. Does that discredit MCA's analysis? No. If the onus is on MCA to prove his hypothesis, you could point of that his evidence hasn't met the burden of proof. Thankfully we can sort this out by accusing people of bias, and flinging some poo like adult monkeys. Game asserts that people we're 99% sure.... when? During ASL which was how long ago? How does this help.. I'm not sure...
We find out that these people actually know each other irl and live close together. Ahh... the plot thickens. No actually.. that would be a good explanation of why they'd play 2v2s together.. and if the one helps the other with practise why their hotkeys would be similar...
Gecko comes in and asks for sample size (and reppack). Good point, but what we all suspect this will do is prove the two are different people. Like zimp asserted in the past and like bizzy also remarked. The question remains did Bibi smurf for Rush in a tournament. Those replays/analysis still aren't forthcoming.
Fast forwar to page 4 where Eywa actually points out flaws in MCA's analysis. Look like we're getting somewhere but how can I tell. Kiante comes in and points out how a bunch of things are stupid. He's right. And than Favian_Su points out that majority opinion = truth. Great discussion so far.
TL;DR So anyway. Rush != Bibiane. They're not the same person. I think we can all agree on that. So the only question that remains is: Did Bibiane smurf for Rush in tournament leagues? We can resolve this in only 1 way. Have the replays from those tournaments analysed. So.
- The next post will contain a link to those replays
- The post below that will be the analysis by someone like zimp or romad who have been forwarded by both parties as experts on the subject matter.
After that the discussion can continue. Everyone else can consider this topic closed. Any next post not adhering to the description above can get a ban.
I'd say no, but if they do live next to each other, it's hard to believe Bibiane never ever smurfed for Rush. The fact MCA suggested huge similarities between Rush and Bibiane before he even knew they were living together makes it really fishy.
On August 30 2012 09:03 DorF wrote: The poll has spoken ! It is now conclusive, Bibiane and Rush are the same guy, Scan is probably in on it too in some way. The very organisation said to protect us are in fact the ones covering up this dark secret. Furthermore, by analyzing this thread I have come to the conclusion that not only is Bibiane Rush, but they are also Game, Eywa, Shimy and Zimp ... all in one giant smurfing/scamming machine set out to ... steal the ASL price money!!! ...or something.
Hi, my name is DorF and I think everyone in the world is a good person, theres no such thing as conspiracy and theres no way in hell that Rush[pain] is a b-/b rank user or that bibiane played on his account!(even though he only lives 5 minutes away)
HO HO HO HO
You santa now Johny ? I could have begun to beleive this thread if not the obvious stated issues above, or the fact that it was written by a mad scientist from somewhere in the old eastern bloc... come to think of it, the only 2 poeple I could never trust however flimsy or circumstantial evidence they might produce, are you and beforementioned. And really ... why would Game,Eywa,Zimp,Shimy and so forth try to support bibiane and rush splitting the ASL price money ? I mean I can clearly see the why Bibi would want a peice of that glorious ASL cake. But why would everyone else cover it up, if it now were so obvious (4 replays can't bother to post the rest of the supposed tons of reps he watched, instead he just spends his posts being salty over getting booted from the ASL) But yeah ...drama is always fun, don't get me wrong
I am sure you heard of the saying "don't throw out the baby with the bath water". In other words I never said I agree with his entire "conspiracy" argument (meaning that everyone is in on a conspiracy). My simple point is that you think his argument is extreme and/or dumb so you post how crazy it is. There is something fishy about Rush[Pain] playing in the tournament.
#1 Is it a massive conspiracy including multiple people? Probably not
#2 Could Rush[Pain] just be [Pain]fully obviously above C+ skill level that it makes people think someone else is playing for him, because why else would admins let someone like this play? Maybe
#3 Could Bibiane actually of played some games for him since he lives 5 minutes away? Possibly
The ultimate issue is that no matter how you approach it or what you believe is that most people think Rush[Pain] should not be allowed to participate in the tourney. That's the end result. Period. The last word comes from the organizers though and since it's their tourney then they have the final say. Period. We're just making sure everyone is aware of the situation.
then i guess we have our answer here. they can play 2v2s because not same person, but bibi comes over to smurf. GENIUS!
On August 30 2012 09:03 DorF wrote: The poll has spoken ! It is now conclusive, Bibiane and Rush are the same guy, Scan is probably in on it too in some way. The very organisation said to protect us are in fact the ones covering up this dark secret. Furthermore, by analyzing this thread I have come to the conclusion that not only is Bibiane Rush, but they are also Game, Eywa, Shimy and Zimp ... all in one giant smurfing/scamming machine set out to ... steal the ASL price money!!! ...or something.
Hi, my name is DorF and I think everyone in the world is a good person, theres no such thing as conspiracy and theres no way in hell that Rush[pain] is a b-/b rank user or that bibiane played on his account!(even though he only lives 5 minutes away)
HO HO HO HO
You santa now Johny ? I could have begun to beleive this thread if not the obvious stated issues above, or the fact that it was written by a mad scientist from somewhere in the old eastern bloc... come to think of it, the only 2 poeple I could never trust however flimsy or circumstantial evidence they might produce, are you and beforementioned. And really ... why would Game,Eywa,Zimp,Shimy and so forth try to support bibiane and rush splitting the ASL price money ? I mean I can clearly see the why Bibi would want a peice of that glorious ASL cake. But why would everyone else cover it up, if it now were so obvious (4 replays can't bother to post the rest of the supposed tons of reps he watched, instead he just spends his posts being salty over getting booted from the ASL) But yeah ...drama is always fun, don't get me wrong
I am sure you heard of the saying "don't throw out the baby with the bath water". In other words I never said I agree with his entire "conspiracy" argument (meaning that everyone is in on a conspiracy). My simple point is that you think his argument is extreme and/or dumb so you post how crazy it is. There is something fishy about Rush[Pain] playing in the tournament.
#1 Is it a massive conspiracy including multiple people? Probably not
#2 Could Rush[Pain] just be [Pain]fully obviously above C+ skill level that it makes people think someone else is playing for him, because why else would admins let someone like this play? Maybe
#3 Could Bibiane actually of played some games for him since he lives 5 minutes away? Possibly
The ultimate issue is that no matter how you approach it or what you believe is that most people think Rush[Pain] should not be allowed to participate in the tourney. That's the end result. Period. The last word comes from the organizers though and since it's their tourney then they have the final say. Period. We're just making sure everyone is aware of the situation.
then i guess we have our answer here. they can play 2v2s because not same person, but bibi comes over to smurf. GENIUS!
User was temp banned for this post.
Why exactly did he get temp banned for this? It's not that far fetched.
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