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happy1
Profile Joined April 2011
83 Posts
April 16 2011 20:39 GMT
#101
On April 17 2011 05:37 sneezy1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
everyone not lurking: neutral, leaning town
lurkers: leaning scum


Shortened your analysis of everyone for you happy. Because sneezy's nice like that.

Because I obviously didn't go and reread the entire thread by person.

Also, If the shoe fits...
grumpy1
Profile Joined April 2011
31 Posts
April 16 2011 20:43 GMT
#102
On April 17 2011 05:06 tiberius1 wrote:
Oh shit. I should probably get a vote in then.

#vote sneezy1 because he literally hasn't posted yet and I want to apply a little pressure.


This I can agree with.

##Vote sneezy1
tiberius1
Profile Joined April 2011
55 Posts
April 16 2011 20:45 GMT
#103
On April 17 2011 05:30 grumpy1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 04:55 tiberius1 wrote:
On April 17 2011 04:32 grumpy1 wrote:
On April 17 2011 02:58 tiberius1 wrote:
Ok, lets pretend that my posted that exact post except I didn't say to check myself. Are you still suspicious?

personally, I would be because a plan that relies on judging people's relative force of personality in a group that doesn't take into effect your own effect on that group is fucking stupid.

A surveying example:
If we were measuring the tallest mountains in the world, wouldn't you want to know what elevation you're measuring from? Perhaps you're at sea level, or maybe you're at -1000 sea level. Things like that can seriously screw up surveying. Unless you can actually climb the mountain and measure it yourself (ie rolecheck/killing in a reveal flip game) you need to know precicely where you stand with regards to your target.

Same thing goes for this game. If I were to come up with a plan that basically says "Everyone who has tried to post an idea so far is possibly mafia," wouldn't you be suspicious if I didn't acknowledge that I could be the mafia trying to fit in? I'm posting an idea after all. My own plan implicates me by ommission.

You should be suspicious of me, since my theory demands that you do so. Now that i've come up with a solid plan and idea this early in the game, the chances of me being mafia have risen dramatically. I'm not, of course, but you have no way of knowing that. By drawing attention to myself in this way I'm forcing you to play it safe, which is the way that you should be playing anyway. I'm not going to let this game devolve into xxxviii.


What the hell is all this? You've got an entire essay here that could exist in two sentences. Overreaction much?

It's common sense that scum have something to be guilty about. Thus, they tend to feel a need to defend / implicate themselves even when all eyes aren't necessarily scrutinizing their posts. Would I be as suspicious of your post if you didn't implicate yourself? No. Does that matter? No.


Just because your playstyle dictates that players that come up with good plans are automatically green doesnt mean that mine does, especially for a plan like mine which is recursive and logically demands that I include myself in it. But whatever, you're acting the most scummy this game.


Why am I most scummy? Come at me, bro. All that's been brought against me in particular is that in my first post of the game happy "felt the tone was off". (for the record, I think happy is most likely to be town out of everybody)

Your "plan" came down to "here's two players having an argument, we should have a DT (never mind that there might not be a DT, and it'll be hell confirming one) check one of them". Offering yourself up for a check doesn't add anything to your plan and only further confused the issue.

Basically, it didn't feel like a plan, it felt like you were suggesting that you should be checked because you strongly suspected two other people, which made no sense at all.


oh is THAT what you were confused about?

My point was that 1. two people are making a lot of ruckus and 2. people who put themselves out in the open early in the game are more likely to be mafia.

You can disagree with that if you want I guess, nobody's forcing you to believe it. If you read the rest of the post I actually say that you're probably town.
tiberius1
Profile Joined April 2011
55 Posts
April 16 2011 20:46 GMT
#104
Funny how sneezy showed up the second I voted for him eh?

I think I'm keeping my vote on him for now.
happy1
Profile Joined April 2011
83 Posts
April 16 2011 20:48 GMT
#105
On April 17 2011 05:46 tiberius1 wrote:
Funny how sneezy showed up the second I voted for him eh?

I think I'm keeping my vote on him for now.

I find it more amusing he showed up, and pretty much said nothing.
Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 20:49:18
April 16 2011 20:48 GMT
#106
fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuu

this sucks, so not used to switching
sleepy1
Profile Joined April 2011
37 Posts
April 16 2011 20:56 GMT
#107
Pressure on doc1 for posting gems like:

On April 16 2011 14:46 doc1 wrote:
Yo science dudes were stuck in a windowless room how do we know what time it is?!?!


On April 17 2011 01:56 doc1 wrote:
If you wanted yourself checked you could be just GF and wanting town confirmation. That seems kinda scummy in my eyes.


and

On April 17 2011 03:19 doc1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 03:17 sleepy1 wrote:
On April 17 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
this is why rol said to use two browsers -_-

EDIT: I AM OBSERVING, SORRY WILL NOT BE POSTING AGAIN


Ok, only smurf accounts should post in this thread, and people, please check your accounts before you post


Another good way is to disable remember me and make sure to log in on your smurf so if you post as you read as SOME PEOPLE obviously do then your at least on the right account.


The last one clearly showing that he is following the thread and yet not saying much about the conversation at hand. What up doc?
happy1
Profile Joined April 2011
83 Posts
April 16 2011 21:13 GMT
#108
##Unvote
##Vote Claudius1


Continue the posting sleepy1.
Thoughts on Augustus & Caligula?
Which camp are you in when it comes to role claims?

Claudius is next up to bat.

Also, a top3 or some sort of list from everyone would also be snazzy.
doc1
Profile Joined April 2011
30 Posts
April 16 2011 21:18 GMT
#109
On April 17 2011 05:45 tiberius1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 05:30 grumpy1 wrote:
On April 17 2011 04:55 tiberius1 wrote:
On April 17 2011 04:32 grumpy1 wrote:
On April 17 2011 02:58 tiberius1 wrote:
Ok, lets pretend that my posted that exact post except I didn't say to check myself. Are you still suspicious?

personally, I would be because a plan that relies on judging people's relative force of personality in a group that doesn't take into effect your own effect on that group is fucking stupid.

A surveying example:
If we were measuring the tallest mountains in the world, wouldn't you want to know what elevation you're measuring from? Perhaps you're at sea level, or maybe you're at -1000 sea level. Things like that can seriously screw up surveying. Unless you can actually climb the mountain and measure it yourself (ie rolecheck/killing in a reveal flip game) you need to know precicely where you stand with regards to your target.

Same thing goes for this game. If I were to come up with a plan that basically says "Everyone who has tried to post an idea so far is possibly mafia," wouldn't you be suspicious if I didn't acknowledge that I could be the mafia trying to fit in? I'm posting an idea after all. My own plan implicates me by ommission.

You should be suspicious of me, since my theory demands that you do so. Now that i've come up with a solid plan and idea this early in the game, the chances of me being mafia have risen dramatically. I'm not, of course, but you have no way of knowing that. By drawing attention to myself in this way I'm forcing you to play it safe, which is the way that you should be playing anyway. I'm not going to let this game devolve into xxxviii.


What the hell is all this? You've got an entire essay here that could exist in two sentences. Overreaction much?

It's common sense that scum have something to be guilty about. Thus, they tend to feel a need to defend / implicate themselves even when all eyes aren't necessarily scrutinizing their posts. Would I be as suspicious of your post if you didn't implicate yourself? No. Does that matter? No.


Just because your playstyle dictates that players that come up with good plans are automatically green doesnt mean that mine does, especially for a plan like mine which is recursive and logically demands that I include myself in it. But whatever, you're acting the most scummy this game.


Why am I most scummy? Come at me, bro. All that's been brought against me in particular is that in my first post of the game happy "felt the tone was off". (for the record, I think happy is most likely to be town out of everybody)

Your "plan" came down to "here's two players having an argument, we should have a DT (never mind that there might not be a DT, and it'll be hell confirming one) check one of them". Offering yourself up for a check doesn't add anything to your plan and only further confused the issue.

Basically, it didn't feel like a plan, it felt like you were suggesting that you should be checked because you strongly suspected two other people, which made no sense at all.


oh is THAT what you were confused about?

My point was that 1. two people are making a lot of ruckus and 2. people who put themselves out in the open early in the game are more likely to be mafia.

You can disagree with that if you want I guess, nobody's forcing you to believe it. If you read the rest of the post I actually say that you're probably town.



Then why did you want to be checked? I still see that question veing dodged its fine that you gove some DT targets but i still am curious why wanted THAT.

Mass claiming in this setup is idiotic as we have an almost zero chance of confirming claims and it gives scum much much better shots. If there is a DT and you find scum then by all means claim if you feel the time is right but don't be a medic and claim because your under zero pressure snd someone has a bright idea to go HUR DUR WE SHUD ROLECLAIM D1-D2.


+ Show Spoiler +
On a side note sorry if ive seemed spammy but I cannot tell exactly why. Regardless I'm still not the worst person here (see sneezy).
doc1
Profile Joined April 2011
30 Posts
April 16 2011 21:19 GMT
#110
My proofreading sucks veing = being
why wanted = why you wanted
sleepy1
Profile Joined April 2011
37 Posts
April 16 2011 21:27 GMT
#111
On April 17 2011 06:13 happy1 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Claudius1


Continue the posting sleepy1.
Thoughts on Augustus & Caligula?
Which camp are you in when it comes to role claims?

Claudius is next up to bat.

Also, a top3 or some sort of list from everyone would also be snazzy.


I think the role claims, while giving us information when we do decide to use the flip ability, gives more information to the mafia than to us. We only get info we can semi trust when we use the flip. Mafia will be getting information every time people claim. Say someone claims medic and gets lynched. We don't know if he's telling the truth or not but if he's trying to give us info that we can use for when the flip happens then he isn't lying. In that case the mafia knows that

1) A medic is getting lynch
2) They shouldn't claim medic cause it'll be suspicious to have 2 in a game

It's a double edged sword and I think the information we can gain is canceled out by the information we're giving out to the mafia making it a zero sum game, maybe even negative sum game in the end
happy1
Profile Joined April 2011
83 Posts
April 16 2011 21:45 GMT
#112
On April 17 2011 06:18 doc1 wrote:
On a side note sorry if ive seemed spammy but I cannot tell exactly why. Regardless I'm still not the worst person here (see sneezy).

Why do you single out Sneezy?
What about Claudius?


On April 17 2011 06:27 sleepy1 wrote:

I think the role claims, while giving us information when we do decide to use the flip ability, gives more information to the mafia than to us. We only get info we can semi trust when we use the flip. Mafia will be getting information every time people claim. Say someone claims medic and gets lynched. We don't know if he's telling the truth or not but if he's trying to give us info that we can use for when the flip happens then he isn't lying. In that case the mafia knows that

1) A medic is getting lynch
2) They shouldn't claim medic cause it'll be suspicious to have 2 in a game

It's a double edged sword and I think the information we can gain is canceled out by the information we're giving out to the mafia making it a zero sum game, maybe even negative sum game in the end

I sort of lose you on point 2 in your example. But I think I see what you mean.
doc1
Profile Joined April 2011
30 Posts
April 16 2011 21:59 GMT
#113
On April 17 2011 06:45 happy1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 06:18 doc1 wrote:
On a side note sorry if ive seemed spammy but I cannot tell exactly why. Regardless I'm still not the worst person here (see sneezy).

Why do you single out Sneezy?
What about Claudius?


Because Sneezy is at least here at that oneliner he posted was just stupid through snd through. I would like to see one post before I completely pass judgement on a person.
happy1
Profile Joined April 2011
83 Posts
April 16 2011 22:18 GMT
#114
On April 17 2011 06:59 doc1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 06:45 happy1 wrote:
On April 17 2011 06:18 doc1 wrote:
On a side note sorry if ive seemed spammy but I cannot tell exactly why. Regardless I'm still not the worst person here (see sneezy).

Why do you single out Sneezy?
What about Claudius?


Because Sneezy is at least here at that oneliner he posted was just stupid through snd through. I would like to see one post before I completely pass judgement on a person.

Which oneliner are you speaking of?

How is Sneezy 'worse' than Claudius when he's actually had a post taking a stance on one person (albit you) while Claudius has only spam to his name, and last posted here when there was plenty to talk about, while Sneezy has actually been absent while a lot of stuff was going on. And now that he's back, he's contributing.
tiberius1
Profile Joined April 2011
55 Posts
April 16 2011 22:23 GMT
#115
On April 17 2011 06:18 doc1 wrote:
Then why did you want to be checked? I still see that question veing dodged its fine that you gove some DT targets but i still am curious why wanted THAT.


That comment was like, an afterthought i added in on a whim and its all anyone notices from my plan.

I've explained why i included myself in there like 4 times now, I'm not doing it again.


My top 3 list (useless this early in the game, but whatever it was requested). not in any particular order.

1. sneezy because he suddenly 'came back online' the second i applied pressure, but he didn't argue or do anything or even post anything useful

2. one of caligula/augustus for the reasons i posted before.

3. Nobody yet, possibly doc but im not sure yet.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 22:29:48
April 16 2011 22:29 GMT
#116
EDIT
tiberius1
Profile Joined April 2011
55 Posts
April 16 2011 22:29 GMT
#117
ON. CMON MAN
doc1
Profile Joined April 2011
30 Posts
April 16 2011 22:30 GMT
#118
On April 17 2011 07:29 OriginalName wrote:
EDIT


Get your shit together dude!
tiberius1
Profile Joined April 2011
55 Posts
April 16 2011 22:32 GMT
#119
On April 17 2011 05:37 sneezy1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
everyone not lurking: neutral, leaning town
lurkers: leaning scum


Shortened your analysis of everyone for you happy. Because sneezy's nice like that.


This is the post he was talking about.
happy1
Profile Joined April 2011
83 Posts
April 16 2011 22:35 GMT
#120
Step 1: If you are using Firefox, download Safari or Chrome
Step 2: Use your 'Main' browser for your regular account
Step 3: Use secondary browser for alt account
Step 4: ???
Step 5: PROFIT!

This is getting rediculous. =/
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