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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 22 2012 08:32 GMT
#1141
On November 22 2012 17:29 sandroba wrote:
I'll probably be taking oats/die/kush (if he doesnt die).


And who would you take if kush does die? I was kind of working under the assumption that he was going to...
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 22 2012 08:34 GMT
#1142
It's more likely than not real and he seems kind of towny, but in a crazy way that has often posed me problems. As you know, I'm convinced that at least some of the main characters either aren't in the game (and mafia knows this so they are safe claims) or some of them are simply mafia.

I'll be back in maybe 6 hours
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 22 2012 08:38 GMT
#1143
@gk from what he claimed marv needs to have less than 30 hp for him to die? Well I'd rather just wait then think about it. It's pretty lucky that I can get those 3 tbh, that would be ideal imo.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 22 2012 08:38 GMT
#1144
I wish Kush would come back and explain + give reads if he is gonna die. Same with Marv.
No gg, No skill.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 22 2012 08:40 GMT
#1145
On November 22 2012 17:34 syllogism wrote:
It's more likely than not real and he seems kind of towny, but in a crazy way that has often posed me problems. As you know, I'm convinced that at least some of the main characters either aren't in the game (and mafia knows this so they are safe claims) or some of them are simply mafia.

I'll be back in maybe 6 hours

Sure but when everyone already thinks you are town fake claiming seems ultra unlikely. Makes 0 sense as mafia in his pos.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 08:41 GMT
#1146
Sandroba, what do you think of candidates beside yourself and Syllo? If both of you were suddenly made unable to lead. Who would you vote for?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 22 2012 08:41 GMT
#1147
On November 22 2012 17:40 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 17:34 syllogism wrote:
It's more likely than not real and he seems kind of towny, but in a crazy way that has often posed me problems. As you know, I'm convinced that at least some of the main characters either aren't in the game (and mafia knows this so they are safe claims) or some of them are simply mafia.

I'll be back in maybe 6 hours

Sure but when everyone already thinks you are town fake claiming seems ultra unlikely. Makes 0 sense as mafia in his pos.


Ok is dien in your party solely based on the claim, or do you have other reasons?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 22 2012 08:42 GMT
#1148
EBWOP: If dien didnt claim, would he still be in your party?
No gg, No skill.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 22 2012 08:48 GMT
#1149
@risk that seems like a really silly question and I fail to see the point of it. Didnt give it any thought and dont plan on doing so.
@oats I had him as town way before the claim, you can check my previous post when syllo asked me for a town read. So yes.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 09:12 GMT
#1150
It's a theoretical question, Humor me.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 22 2012 09:28 GMT
#1151
Since it just occurred to me I haven't done this yet:

##Vote: Goodkarma

I find it unfortunate there isn't more participation in debate of the candidates now that everyone who is going to run for party leader has come forward. Hopefully this changes in the next couple hours.


P.S.: I will not be around much tomorrow as I will be out for U.S. Thanksgiving holiday. So between tonight and tomorrow morning I would strongly recommend that those who haven't come forward to voice their opinions do so so I can address any questions you might still have before the voting deadline.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 22 2012 09:38 GMT
#1152
Ok so the Candidates are consolidated to
GoodKarma:
Party Members: Oats, Djo, Sand
Syllo:
Party Members: He does not want to reveal at this time.
Sandro:
Party Members: Oats, Dien, Kush(If he doesnt die)
Kita:
Party Members: Acro, Dien, Prome
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 22 2012 09:39 GMT
#1153
Currently I am on Syllo, but I would like more people to chime in and vote for their preferred candidate as well in order to confirm my decision.
No gg, No skill.
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 22 2012 09:52 GMT
#1154
@Goodkarma

If you trust Sandro so much, why do you not vote him? If GK thinks Sandro is so townie that you includes him in your team, why should I vote you instead of Sandro?

What do you say to the following: You are scum, you include a town sandro to make his team more townie, hoping to catch more votes like that.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 22 2012 09:55 GMT
#1155
On November 22 2012 10:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Phagga
+ Show Spoiler +
on november something phagga wrote:
You are therefore assuming that one of the vets is town, is able to read sandroba as scum(my) and is able to convince town about it, necessarly against other vets who might be scum as well?

A couple of people have mentioned being familiar with his meta and being able to discern him scum from town. I am assuming that he is easier than syllogism to pin fdown, and according to my logic that I presented earlier (which no one seemed to want to discuss), I think this weighs heavier.
Personally, however, I'm not familiar with either of their meta, so I'm trying to take in consideration the town as a whole. I can always read his filter and previous games if the situation is Dire.



I'm not liking how you aren't taking a stance, though.

Here you outline this strategy:
On November 21 2012 16:18 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 16:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nice post phagga.
Do you have a strategy on picking the party leaders/party members?


I will pick a party leader who (priority in this order):

1.) I have a town read on
2.) Is good at reading people D1
3.) has a sound plan how to choose his team
4.) Suggests/chooses team members that I agree with

1 and 2 are a must, 3 and 4 are nice to have.


Saying that it's important you choose someone you have a townread on. Then, you seem a little hesistant to discuss town reads with other people, as (on a previous post you said) it makes it easier for scum to blend in. This post is an example of this:

On November 21 2012 17:02 phagga wrote:
EBWOP: I am aware that we have to discuss the people who want to get elected and that this will eventually lead to townreads in the thread. This is unavoidable. Nevertheless, I find it dangerous if people go around and ask for townreads from people who are not candidating and/or will probably not get elected. Also, asking for townreads when the game is not even 12 hours old is unnecessary.


So what I expect from you: go around interacting with town. This is pretty much what you do, fantastic. But now, game is much past 12 hours and you have yet to tell us your opinion on who you think is town and who you will be voting. Out of nowhere, you mention kita:

On November 22 2012 07:13 phagga wrote:
Acrofales, if you are around, i would still like to know why you do not consider Kita a serious candidate.


I'm very curious as to why you chose to comment on kita, out of all people. This seems utterly random, given your other posts. Also, you don't state opinions and you spend most of your time prodding around asking questions, but never saying anything conclusive.

Explain yourself, because I can't discern in which direction you are going in order to consolidate your vote.


I have not read all the posts yet, I just arrived at the point where Syllo addresses Sandro regarding unanswered questions here.

I have not named a candidate yet because I do not have a clear town read on one yet. I was leaning on Sandroba the whole time, and I also tend to think that Syllo is town. However, I only have a very rough idea on how these guys play scum, and I don't trust them enough yet. Also I don't like it at all that they are almost uncontested. As someone said earlier, mafia should have an interest at getting this spot too, and somehow I would expect some heavier resistance. Unless Sand and Syllo are both scum, of course, but Orcams Razor probably says no.

Kita was always in the back of my head because I liked his opening post. I was aware that he went MIA for a while, but I still thought that his candidature was serious. So when I realized that barely anyone talked about him, I thought I'd use Acros post to see if I could get some info on what people thought about him. Also, as I wrote earlier, I do think more competition is needed, and since Toad is out of the race, that leaves Kita as the most promising competitor to Sandro/Syllo. Regarding his proposed team: Dieno has claimed after I talked about the possibility to be 3rd party, and the way is behaving I think I could meanwhile accept him in the party, although there are other players that I would prefer. Prom is the one I feel really unsure about. I hope Kita thinks that one over. Nevertheless, for the time being, he gets my vote. ##Vote Kitaman

Goodkarmas candidature comes surprising, and I first liked his approach for the candidature. However, I voiced my suspicion of him yesterday, and his choice of Sandro for the team looks like a joke, as you can see in my questions to him.

I will be very busy today. I should be in the thread for sure in the last 2-3 hours before deadline. Hopefully I will be able to interact some more earlier.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 22 2012 09:55 GMT
#1156
On November 22 2012 18:52 phagga wrote:
@Goodkarma

If you trust Sandro so much, why do you not vote him? If GK thinks Sandro is so townie that you includes him in your team, why should I vote you instead of Sandro?

What do you say to the following: You are scum, you include a town sandro to make his team more townie, hoping to catch more votes like that.


@ Phagga

Does it look like Oats and me are scum ?
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 10:09 GMT
#1157
On November 22 2012 18:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the Candidates are consolidated to
GoodKarma:
Party Members: Oats, Djo, Sand
Syllo:
Party Members: He does not want to reveal at this time.
Sandro:
Party Members: Oats, Dien, Kush(If he doesnt die)
Kita:
Party Members: Acro, Dien, Prome

I agree with Phagga, Can you explain why you put Sandroba on your team?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
November 22 2012 10:15 GMT
#1158
On November 22 2012 18:55 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 18:52 phagga wrote:
@Goodkarma

If you trust Sandro so much, why do you not vote him? If GK thinks Sandro is so townie that you includes him in your team, why should I vote you instead of Sandro?

What do you say to the following: You are scum, you include a town sandro to make his team more townie, hoping to catch more votes like that.


@ Phagga

Does it look like Oats and me are scum ?


No, I got you null, Oats leaning slightly townie. However, I don't expect scum to fill their team with mafia, that would be too obvious. A second scum might be there, but not 3 or 4.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 22 2012 10:17 GMT
#1159
I just reread oats filter. Am I the only one who can't see why he is town?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 22 2012 10:32 GMT
#1160
Yeah pretty much risk.
Who are you looking to vote for party leader?
No gg, No skill.
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