Storm Mafia - Page 57

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 22:48 GMT

#1121

Toadesstern,
are you aware that Kaller game exists specifically so that you can troll/joke around in a game of mafia?
Are you aware that this game is supposed to be difficult and that you are literally not voting for a player because you believe that they are playing too much like mafia would play to be mafia?
lemme thing about the big thing...
+ Show Spoiler [For the love of god do not click me!] +

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 22:49 GMT

#1122

oh, shi-

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

February 24 2012 23:02 GMT

#1123

I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 24 2012 23:06 GMT

#1124

layabout has been given permission to edit that post

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

February 24 2012 23:06 GMT

#1125

On February 25 2012 08:02 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

Care to explain why?

let me guess.

"So like, toads are like frogs, the French are known for eating frogs, France is near Britain i am from Britain and therefore you are going to ignore me because that is where i live."

was i close?

Jitsu

United States929 Posts

February 24 2012 23:07 GMT

#1126

On February 25 2012 07:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

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cool thanks for the summary of what is happening

no one cares

What in the fuck is your problem? Would you rather I sheep all my shit, or come up with my own thoughts?

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

February 24 2012 23:13 GMT

#1127

It comes off as scummy to me. What exactly are you saying in that post other than "I have no real thoughts about any of these people but I'm about to go read stuff", just go do that then, you don't really need to announce it. That is the kind of post I make all the time if I'm scum. It's too easy.

Jitsu

United States929 Posts

February 24 2012 23:23 GMT

#1128

Except for the part where I said that i'm curious on my Dirkzor read, but you making a case against him affirms my position that I think he is playing scummy.

And that Risk.Nuke needs to step it up, because he is giving me negative vibes.

How is that saying "I have no real thoughts on these players?" Blazinghand starting to discredit me enough to make my thoughts invalid?

Do you think i'm scum?

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

February 24 2012 23:47 GMT

#1129

On February 25 2012 08:23 Jitsu wrote:
Except for the part where I said that i'm curious on my Dirkzor read, but you making a case against him affirms my position that I think he is playing scummy.

And that Risk.Nuke needs to step it up, because he is giving me negative vibes.

How is that saying "I have no real thoughts on these players?" Blazinghand starting to discredit me enough to make my thoughts invalid?

Do you think i'm scum?

Look at all this great analysis. I'm not discrediting you, that's you who's doing that. I just wondered where you've been the last couple days.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

February 25 2012 00:03 GMT

#1130

That's very wishy washy "I don't know really what to think about it and had no confidence in my read but a town player seems to agree so I'm confident now"

sounds like scum who is unsure about their agenda hoping for town support

Jitsu

United States929 Posts

February 25 2012 00:06 GMT

#1131

On February 25 2012 09:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

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Or i'm not very confident in my scum-hunting ability, since I have only 4 games played total.

Take you're pick.

Also, you didn't answer my question. Do you think i'm mafia?

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

February 25 2012 00:09 GMT

#1132

On February 25 2012 09:06 Jitsu wrote:

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Or i'm not very confident in my scum-hunting ability, since I have only 4 games played total.

Take you're pick.

Also, you didn't answer my question. Do you think i'm mafia?

The Jitsu I saw in the newbie mafia and other games was an aggressive scumhunter, and confident enough in his reads. He didn't afraid of anything, and his response to a criticism was to point to his ample scumhunting record and the excellence of his reads. I don't see any of that this game.

Jitsu

United States929 Posts

February 25 2012 00:12 GMT

#1133

And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.

Pretty funny if you ask me.

How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

February 25 2012 00:15 GMT

#1134

On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote:
And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.

Pretty funny if you ask me.

How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another.

I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this.

This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are.

The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.

Yet here we are.

Tyrran

France777 Posts

February 25 2012 00:18 GMT

#1135

Okay guys, I've been a bit sick for the last day. Still not completly cured, but feeling good enough to read some filter and strat scum hunting.

Blazinghand I feel like his posting has improved compared to day 1. His is pointing at potential scum slip, and i feel like he is actually trying to help town rigth now, and no longer just posting useless posts. Still not confirmed townie, but on the rigth track.

Toad

On February 25 2012 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:

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On February 25 2012 07:04 layabout wrote:
Guys! I think i have found the REAL village idiot!

On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:

On February 25 2012 04:41 syllogism wrote:
He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself.

I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable

Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie.
Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right?

KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias.

Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP.

But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time.

##Vote Rol

I am suprised nobody has picked up on and commented on this

But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time.

So i read this and thought i would check out his other post.

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On February 25 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote:

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That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else.
Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know.
I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie.

You appear to be saying that you think he is putting on a meta based act to make people beleive he is townie

On February 25 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote:

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mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^).
So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now.

##unvote

You then unvote him because he responded to you after you voted for him. The fuck?
Oh wait!
You say you only voted for him for reactions! What ~~a great~~ an awful move for a town player to do!
You say that the points you made previously (he is putting on an act to appear town) still stand. You say that you think he is town. You say that that doesn't mean you think he is town but he is of your lynch list.
Now you are saying you are unsure.

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On February 25 2012 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok am back.
Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well.
And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange.
In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar.
So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game.

I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now.
It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head.

Still reading the last 5 or so pages.

Let me get this straight:
Bh is a huge issue for you.
He is not just scummy, but he has reached a level of scummy-ness that you cannot believe.
BH has not claimed mafia.
You do not believe that a player on a scum team would ever act so scummy.
Scummy essentially means behaving like mafia.
So you essentially you do not beleive that mafia would act like mafia.

You conclude that a scummy player cannot be scum and that he is either a confused townie or the host is messing with us.

That is some of the most horrific "logic" that i have ever had to process.

Toad is basically saying.
"BH really looks like mafia. As mafia BH would not look like mafia as much as he does. So BH is town hurting himself in his own confusion.
I am not going to vote for the player that i think looks so scummy i have had to invent an entirely new method of thought in order to avoid voting for."

using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me a favor and stop that in the (near) future, please

On to what you actually said:
About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his meta so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one?

About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either.

Toad delivers two strong scum read, and for both of them says he doesnt want to lynch them. I've got to say, layabout his rigth. Either they act scummy, in which wase they are lynch candidate, or they act towny, and should not be lynched. Also, he votes for RoL over those too without any reason, just to "get this rolling". He is basically defending both VE and BH by saying : "they look scum but hey, dont lynch them". Which to be honest is like the worst possible defence.

RoL : His entire case against DocH seems to be seems to be revolving aroung DocH soft defending redFF. NOw if redFF actually had flipped scum, his case would make DocH a potential lynch, but as of now, with no flip information it feels really weak. I dont really see any good reason for pushing a DocH lynch. I'll put my vote on him, to pressure him to come post useful posts.

##vote RoL

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

February 25 2012 00:35 GMT

#1136

On February 25 2012 09:06 Jitsu wrote:

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Or i'm not very confident in my scum-hunting ability, since I have only 4 games played total.

Take you're pick.

Also, you didn't answer my question. Do you think i'm mafia?

Need to read your filter to determine if you're bad town or mafia. I think RoL and BH are at the present time. I need to read your whole filter and I don't want to get unfocused and post a million reads right now, shit sucks for town when there are like 5 bandwagons.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

February 25 2012 00:36 GMT

#1137

Acting like a fool? That's an interesting "criticism" to some light pressure. This is a pretty scummy reaction. If anyone looks afraid here, it isn't me.

RebirthOfLeGenD

USA5860 Posts

February 25 2012 00:46 GMT

#1138

On February 24 2012 16:34 syllogism wrote:
WBG seems fine to me so far.

RoL on the other hand has done no scum hunting at all and basically voted for redff because he claimed tracker. Dr.H's case here makes a lot of sense. He also seemed fine with BC lynch which is ok, but he didn't add any reasons of his own other than just stating "I'd rather get him out of my head". What? I'm also not letting him get away with inactivity day after day as happened in Purgatory. That case better be amazing RoL and I don't want opinions just on one player

##vote Rebirthoflegend

risk.nuke any thoughts on anyone at all? You still aren't playing the game despite getting called out. The few posts you have have basically no content. I've only very vague and weak reasons for believing that you might be town, but if you don't start posting content soon, that will change.

Why am I giving opinions on multiple players when we can only kill one? I'd rather see how my other suspects react, so no. You aren't getting more suspects until I deem it proper.

Jitsu

United States929 Posts

February 25 2012 00:51 GMT

#1139

On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:

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I didn't ask "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH." Don't play it up like I am blowing up in you're face. I said, Do you think i'm scum? I asked it for a reason.

The "sudden dearth of content and pressure" was due to me being busy most of the morning/afternoon until I got home, after lunch, with my girlfriend. Then I got on to post. I can't help it that there were 6 pages of "conversation" that was generated during that time. If that gives you cause to pressure, so be it.

What pressure? This is all in response to one fucking person saying "no one cares" about my post. Totally different from pressure. Again, you are trying to paint me in a negative light. I was responding to why DocH was being an absolute dick for almost no apparent reason, at least to my standards, and was questioning that - it had nothing to do with you until you voiced your unwanted opinion.

And even beyond that, if you have a scent of a scum player, are you seriously going to get off the trail? No. The Blazinghand I know wouldn't have "bigger fish to fry." You would go after it. And as for that, I don't like the way you have handled your entire game thus far, and since I like to hold people accountable for their stupid actions.

##vote: Blazinghand

On February 25 2012 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Need to read your filter to determine if you're bad town or mafia. I think RoL and BH are at the present time. I need to read your whole filter and I don't want to get unfocused and post a million reads right now, shit sucks for town when there are like 5 bandwagons.

Bad town play? Let's recap.

I do a decent enough job Day 1 to show other people in the thread that i'm a town player. How do I know? Because up until a page and a half ago, my name wasn't even mentioned, beyond risk.nuke saying he would support my lynch (which he has yet addressed) and Blazinghand trying to pull analysis out of me (which I then put out one post later).

That first analysis case, Dirkzor, was someone that you later decided to make a case on yourself. A lot of what you said was a lot of what I said, earlier.

So, bad town play? I'd say no, but that's up for others interpretation. But if my play is bad, what does it say about you're play?

RebirthOfLeGenD

USA5860 Posts

February 25 2012 00:51 GMT

#1140

On February 25 2012 03:39 Jackal58 wrote:

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We know nothing of the sort. You may know something but I certainly know nothing.
Nobody is informed if they took a hit.
Nobody is informed if they were role blocked.
Nobody is informed if they made a save.
We don't know dick. We don't even know what kind of KP scum have.

When is the last time you saw a set up without a roleblocker? Its a standard mafia role and its worth noting as a possibly. Without a RBer there is no way for mafia to stop a DT claim.

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