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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
Tuthur
Profile Joined July 2010
France985 Posts
August 24 2011 11:43 GMT
#1121
Also:

is a good representation of the awesomeness that is Pinkie Pie.
Zoundsforsook
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Scotland636 Posts
August 24 2011 11:48 GMT
#1122
Yeah Pinkie Pie is a strange character, I find her tons of fun though and the show would not be the same without her at all, though there isnt a member of the mane 6 or any other pony in the show that I could say I don't like really (yes even snips and snails) so maybe my opinion isnt worth much there.

An unrelated idle thought I had earlier, I wonder if the Unicorns and Earth ponies ever yearn to fly or would ever feel slight resentment towards the pegasus ponies up in the sky, the wings cause a bit of trouble in the Fall weather friends episode but other than that it never really comes up.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

i'd be a little jealous myself
Paint it bright and bold.
rockerman101
Profile Joined June 2011
United States85 Posts
August 24 2011 11:49 GMT
#1123
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/04/its-dangerous-business-going-out-your.html read this fanfiction if anyone does it reminds me a bit of lotr but its really good
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
August 24 2011 12:13 GMT
#1124
Apparently Hot Topic is now selling Brony shirts.

AWESOME.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
August 24 2011 12:27 GMT
#1125
On August 24 2011 20:16 Incognoto wrote:
I was afraid of this, I'm sorry guys.

No I haven't seen a whole lot of episodes. I didn't want to hate any poney, and honestly I'm trying to find some good in Pinkie. For example, at first I thought I would dislike Rarity (since she's "stuck up" so to say), but for some reason I like her instead. Which is surprising. In a similar vein I'm trying to like Pinkie but she's ... crazy. So no hate guys, honestly just honestly asking how I could start liking her because I like all of the ponies atm and I want to like pinkie but I'm not sure how.

You recommend episode 10? So I'll watch it. And probably start liking her. Thanks guys.


If you like rarity and not PPie at this point, you'll definitely LOVE Pinkie at episode 25.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
Lynda
Profile Joined May 2010
649 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 12:36:36
August 24 2011 12:30 GMT
#1126
@Incognoto you're not the only one who found Pinkie annoying, I did too at the start of the series but she gets progressively better, especially in the second half of the season (I wouldn't have found ep 20 nearly as amazing as I did had it not been for her), you might also think of her differently after you've seen ep 25 or her backstory in ep 23; and I personally loved her naivity in ep 21: + Show Spoiler +
"That wasn't the message of my song at all! "

Some of her lines can still be obnoxious enough to make somepony want to facehoof, but the majority of them in the 2nd half of the season just make me chuckle most of the time (ep 15 was weird though in the sense that her lines made me both cringe and laugh at the same time).
Frigo
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary1023 Posts
August 24 2011 13:32 GMT
#1127
Could someone with better shopping skills slay this PBF strip in the name of Equestria?

[image loading]

On August 24 2011 20:16 Incognoto wrote:
I was afraid of this, I'm sorry guys.

No I haven't seen a whole lot of episodes. I didn't want to hate any poney, and honestly I'm trying to find some good in Pinkie. For example, at first I thought I would dislike Rarity (since she's "stuck up" so to say), but for some reason I like her instead. Which is surprising. In a similar vein I'm trying to like Pinkie but she's ... crazy. So no hate guys, honestly just honestly asking how I could start liking her because I like all of the ponies atm and I want to like pinkie but I'm not sure how.

You recommend episode 10? So I'll watch it. And probably start liking her. Thanks guys.

Apart from Pinkie being very random and crazy in a similar manner to /b/, she is very meta and can defy the physics of the pony universe. To understand everything she does and says, you should watch the entire series, read up some information about her on TVTropes, then watch the series again.
http://www.fimfiction.net/user/Treasure_Chest
cactuschewer
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom152 Posts
August 24 2011 13:42 GMT
#1128
I've only watched 17 episodes but I'm starting to enjoy it, I think it must be the fact that I grew up watching cartoons like this on good old cartoon network, which is now full of shit cartoons. I was skeptical at first though, I thought this would be similar to the "I'm wearing a pink shirt, look at me" attitude some men can have but I dismissed that.

However, I do have one problem. Why on earth doesn't rarity get as much love from the community as say, rainbow dash? I can understand why applejack doesn't, she's pretty plain and doesn't do anything special at all, but the episodes that focused on rarity were extremely enjoyable in my opinion and she is definitley my favourite, followed by Pinkie Pie at second who just makes me laugh.
viralintruder
Profile Joined August 2011
Jamaica140 Posts
August 24 2011 14:19 GMT
#1129
@cactuschewer

Rarity is a character who is abnormally and inconsistently multifaceted in that she can be the most generous and willing pony one moment then she is blinded by selfishness and develops undesirable traits the next. Some people only see the undesirable side of her since it technically does show more than her good side. All the other characters are pretty much consistent in their attitude towards other with a few misgivings, but Rarity's unpredictability stems from her desire to be famous and respected, so she sometimes ends up looking pompous and self-centered which no one really likes as a trait. You'll understand when you watch some of the later episodes.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
cactuschewer
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom152 Posts
August 24 2011 14:59 GMT
#1130
I guess you're right, I enjoy the sass and find the tantrums quite entertaining nonetheless. The undesirable traits and the unpredictability make her interesting in my opinion and can help make an episode more dramatic and offers more character development, plus things usually sort themselves out in the end anyway. Up to episode 21 now.
viralintruder
Profile Joined August 2011
Jamaica140 Posts
August 24 2011 15:40 GMT
#1131
I like Rarity's personality too, but I can't choose her as my favorite... because they're all equally my favorites!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
August 24 2011 15:41 GMT
#1132
Hey,
NEver watched this.
I should i guess :3.
What's so good about it ?

Where can i watch? ><
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
August 24 2011 16:38 GMT
#1133
On August 25 2011 00:41 Teton wrote:
Hey,
NEver watched this.
I should i guess :3.
What's so good about it ?

Where can i watch? ><

All is revealed in the OP.
viralintruder
Profile Joined August 2011
Jamaica140 Posts
August 24 2011 17:11 GMT
#1134
@Teton

Hey,
ITs a cool show.
You might like it if you watch it :3
The OP has a lot of things to say about MLP, did you read it all ?

You can watch it on Youtube, a playlist is linked in the OP ^^
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 19:09:44
August 24 2011 18:48 GMT
#1135
@Vial and Cactus
I don't think she's inconsistent, per se. I see it like so: different situations bring out different stuff in her. She's always wanted her dresses to be adored, and wanted to model. When that dream isn't right before her, she can be very generous, but tends to get tunnel vision when it appears.

As for why Rarity doesn't get as much love... we can only select one pony on those stupid poles. Which, I suppose is fair, because I would select all 6 (and Derpy and Celestia and Luna and Big Macintosh and -- no, not Trixie -- and the mustache water dragon [lulz] and Granny Smith... etc).

Here's a writeup a friend did when analyzing the spread of FiM. It's not exhaustive, which is probably a good thing XD.

+ Show Spoiler +
And, my own essay on what I love about My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic so far, even if a lot of it is stuff you've already seen critics saying before.

* The characters are unbelievably well-rounded for a kid's show, and at least adequately well-rounded for ANY show.

They straddle the line that makes the inner DM and NPC-designer in me go 'squeee!'. They are all solid archetypes while still being enough against type to totally avoid being stereotyped.

For example, let's take the first pony of the Mane Cast we see and the one who is essentially the Buffy of this ensemble cast, as it were. Twilight Sparkle, apprentice to Queen Celestia.

Twilight loves to read. Did we mention she loves to read? She lives in a library for pete's sake. She is first seen living in the Princess' palace at Canterlot, with the high status of personal apprentice to the Solar Queen Of All She Surveys, and she has no social life at all. Her episode 1 signature line is "I am her student and I will do my royal duty, but the fate of Equestria does not rest on me making friends!"

So, Twilight Sparkle is a book-loving socially awkward nerd. Filling in the rest of the mental blanks, this means she'll also be shy, lacking in leadership skills, and either bravely timid or just timid...

... wrong. Twilight Sparkle doesn't hide in the library because she's unable to deal. Twilight Sparkle lives in a library because she likes books more than parties, period. Twilight Sparkle is the team leader, the one who takes charge, the one who can organize an entire town full of ponies on a massive complex terraforming project ("Winter Wrap-Up") and make it look easy when the ponies who have been doing it all their lives have lost the plot. And Twilight Sparkle is the one who, when confronted with the legendary Nightmare Moon, the dark goddess who once plunged the world into Eternal Night and is like a billion times more powerful than her, doesn't even blink before putting her horn down and charging straight at her throat. Twilight Sparkle is a badass.

And yet she's the same pony who will spend an entire episode having an anxiety attack about knowing various things about her friends that she promised not to tell her other friends, even if life would be so much easier if her other friends knew about the misunderstandings with her friends, but she promised not to, and if she breaks that promise then (gasp) she won't have any friends!. When, of course, real friends entirely don't end friendships over things that petty, but how would Twilight Sparkle know? This is the first time she's even had friends. So yes, Twilight Sparkle, smartest pony in Ponyville, can still sometimes be spectacularly dumb and yet in believable fashion... and yet still totally subverts her trope.

And then there's Rarity. On a girl's show, Rarity is the girliest of the girl characters. She doesn't willingly step hoof out of her house without having spent oodles of time curling her mane and arranging her make-up just so. She's the resident fashion plate who obsesses on clothes and shoes. (In fact, she's also the town's tailor, dressmaker, and fashion designer, and makes fancy clothes professionally.) She can't stand dirt, she's obsessive-compulsive, and she's all about bringing elegance and beauty and refinement.

So, she's the snobby, bitchy cheerleader straight out of high school drama, right? Wrong. Rarity is one of the most generous people in Ponyville. At least two episodes have their plots driven by the fact that Rarity sometimes goes overboard trying to do nice things for her friends. She doesn't snub anyone for being poor or un-fashion-conscious (except maybe that one time with Applejack), she doesn't look down on anyone, and she's not too 'important' or 'refined' to work; Rarity spends multiple occasions pulling obsessive all-nighters to make her business run, and when she commits to deliver you X # of dresses on time and to spec, she will deliver X # of dresses on time and to spec or die trying. Even if her customers are insane.

For the love of God, one of the episodes I mentioned above ("Suited For Success") is about the girliest member of a girls' show cast trying to sew enough dresses in time to give to all her friends so they can put on a fashion show for a famous designer and help Rarity live her dream while at the same time giving all her friends free dresses for the upcoming Grand Galloping Gala, and by this point you think anybody with a Y-chromosome would be dying from the pure girly overload, and yet its one of the show's more critically-acclaimed episodes, especially by those segments of the brony demographic that you think would be most violently allergic. I don't even know how the hell that works, yet it does.

* The characters are flawed, human people... who happen to be ponies.

Nobody's perfect on this show. No one. Rarity is a hardworking generous soul who just genuinely wants everything around her to be beautiful, but if she loses her perspective re: priorities she'll spend half a day trying to tweak a single birds' nest to be 'just so' and ignoring every other aspect of the project going on. Or she'll get so caught up in the rush of a new experience that she'll completely forget she was there to support someone else in the first place, and instead starts competing with them. Twilight Sparkle has the cojones to try and solo the Dark Goddess herself, but can mentally lock-up at the thought of even minor embarassment or failure in front of her mentor and/or start thinking that she's so smart that nobody else can be smart too. Applejack is the epitome of hardworking and down-to-earth, but she's also stubborner than a mule and too proud to let other people help even when they want to. Rainbow Dash is a genuinely loyal friend, a total ace at what she does, and has balls of steel... but she also has the tact of a lead softball bat wrapped in barbed wire and her signature quote might as well be "LEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRROOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYY JEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINSSSSSSSSS!" Pinkie Pie is the happiest person anywhere and knows everybody and just wants to spread happiness and joy... but she's so hyperactive even her friends can only take her in limited doses, and she has issues. And Fluttershy is the most lovable and adorable thing ever... but that doesn't mean she's immune to either errors of judgement, or that epic stress-induced blowout in the season finale that cannot be described, only witnessed.

In the course of 26 episodes everybody has saved the day at least once, and everybody has been the problem at least once. Because is nobody is right all the time, nobody is perfect all the time, and sometimes your strongest character trait is in fact the least useful way to handle something, and you need to let someone else take the lead against it. Nobody is the writer's pet (even if some come slightly closer than others), and nobody's the butt monkey (even if some fans think Applejack could headline more episodes, that's nowhere near the same thing as Applejack being dumped on, as she ain't).

And since its inevitable that you will screw up at least once, being mortal, the important thing is... what do you do then?

This show remembers that. And addresses it.

And in line with the less unrealistic expectations it tries to impose on the impressionable little kids, we have...

* There is no One True Way to be either a 'proper girl' or a successful or happy person in general.

The producer, Lauren Faust, has been known to vent her spleen on this very thing; so many times, a girl's show is all about being whatever the show-runner's vision of a 'proper' young lady is, period. And usually that vision is unrealistically saccharine.

And this show explodes the living hell out of that treatise. All of the six Mane Cast members are presented as successful, responsible young women in control of their own lives and prospering by their own talents, and not one of them is remotely like any other one.

Twilight Sparkle is, essentially, a graduate student on an extended field assignment/research grant, and she's a type-A organizer and bureaucrat who's also a giant nerd with little interest in conventional socializing. She's also the personal apprentice of the immortal god-queen, the effective leader of the town (there's a Mayor of Ponyville, but when the [stuff] goes down everybody looks to Twilight Sparkle, not to the old gray mare), and one of the most powerful wizards known to ponydom.

And then there's Applejack. Applejack is a much humbler pony; her and her big brother Macintosh run an apple farm, and take care of their kid sister Apple Bloom. And yet Applejack stands nose-to-nose with Twilight Sparkle, feeling no shame at being 'just' a farmgirl... and given that she's one of the toughest ponies in Ponyville, the steady reliable rock of the group, and thoroughly enjoying the living hell out of a life that some other ponies might find boring and plebeian, the message is clear; 'This is just as valid as the other, even if it's not as rich, not as important, not as powerful. Because its not easy either, and its worth doing, and if you like it, then it's what you like'.

Rarity, who owns and runs a dress shop, we've already mentioned. Like Applejack she's an entrepreneur, even in an entirely different field. And she also loves what she's doing, and making her own way doing it, even when that means not flinching from a ton of hard work.

Rainbow Dash, whose day job (moving the clouds around and managing Ponyville's weather) actually doesn't remotely fully engage her talents or her time, is also presented as a role model. Because while she's a brash cocky jerkass, she's actually as good as she claims to be, and she doesn't just loaf at her job (even if she did seem to pick her job precisely because it has so much free time). Because she's got a huge ambition; to make the Wonderbolts, Equestria's #1 stunt flying team (think the Blue Angels), and Rainbow Dash knows that she's not going to make that just by flying around talking about all the awesome she's going to bust loose next month; she's got to be training. So Dash is presented as the person just whiling away in a local job while they train and train and dream the Rocky Balboa dream of becoming a star athlete, if they can just ace the tryout... and yet the show neither takes the tack 'Oh, sure, you're guaranteed to succeed even at impractical odds if you just believe!', nor does it take the tack of 'Oh come on, be realistic and don't even try something this insane'. Because Dash... well, that's spoiler territory. Suffice it to say, the message is adequately presented in that while the odds of actually making it to the major leagues are poor, that shouldn't stop you from trying if you actually have the talent for it... if that's what you want to do, and you accept the risks. (And if you can still earn an honest living for yourself in the meanwhile instead of just bummin' around.)

And Fluttershy, the show's resident Woobie, Shrinking Violet, and Friend To All Living Things. She's early Hinata with pony wings. (Except when you mess with her friends, and then you've got Team 8 Hinata in your face instead). She's horribly shy, soft-spoken, diffident, and just wants to cuddle all the cute animals she can. (Of course, since she's the town veterinarian, forest ranger, and wildlife control officer, she earns a living doing that...) And yet... suffice it to say, the pitfalls of this stereotype are avoided as well.

And then there's Pinkie Pie, the show's random incarnation of random, perky, party-throwing happiness.

... actually, Pinkie Pie's hidden depths stay largely hidden except for 'Swarm of the Century' and 'Party of One', wherein her tragic past is revealed, so I won't get into that. Short version; while she is the character who approached closest to the line of 'Oh, are they ever going to be wrong about anything?', she avoids it too.

This is how the show rolls. 'You are not your stereotype, and there is no One True Way'. You can be a successful, useful, self-supporting human being in any one of multiple fashions, and whichever one of those you want the most is the "right" one. This isn't just a slogan the show says (in fact, they don't lampshade it explicitly much at all), its just the example the show sets, all day every day.

Hell, there isn't even any racial stereotypes. The Mane Cast has two unicorns (Twilight Sparkle and Rarity), two pegasi (Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy), and two earth ponies (Applejack and Pinkie Pie)... and each of those pairs of ponies is as dissimilar as the sun and the moon. 'You cannot judge by race, either'.

That's the thing about this show. The messages are good. The subtext is good. The writing is good. All of the shallow saccharine brain-destroying [manure] that used to be known as "girls' television" is something that the producer absolutely hated, and MLP:FiM is her very subtle, very subversive, very very very determined search-and-destroy mission against every little bit of it...

... while still being a happy, cheerful, genuinely innocent show, instead of some kind of lame-o deconstruction or grimdark.

Friendship Is Magic, what can I say?


And another reason why I love Pinkie Pie:


Listen to that siiiinging! Get out, Autotune. No need for you here.


EDIT: Has Poison Joke been discussed for as an opening episode?
viralintruder
Profile Joined August 2011
Jamaica140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 20:06:13
August 24 2011 19:54 GMT
#1136
Your friend won the thread Foxy! That was a masterful discourse on the merits of basically everything "My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic". Is he/she a writer like you Foxy?
+ Show Spoiler [o.o] +
=D <--- Click
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
August 24 2011 20:15 GMT
#1137
More of a critic and an editor -- though as a passionate hobby, not a profession. People like that are a writer's second hand, soo helpful. Also, that pic is aaaalmost creepy <3. I like the one kinda like that where she has stars in her eyes, too. XP
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 20:23:17
August 24 2011 20:17 GMT
#1138
Someone on another thread said something like "Why don't you guys all go back to watching your little pony show" (note this wasn't direct towards any single person in particular) which I thought was funny (no negativity towards the poster or anything. You made me laugh, not laugh at you or anything >.>. Just thought it was funny and nice to hear this show referenced.).

Point is that this is becoming popular enough for other posters to reference it! That's good IMO.

Edit - What made it funny was because that comment came out of nowhere (which is why I said it wasn't towards anyone in particular). It was just so random but good to see the show referenced in other threads/sections of these forums.
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Zoundsforsook
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Scotland636 Posts
August 24 2011 20:35 GMT
#1139
Give your friend my thanks for that writeup FoxyMayhem, really well written.
Paint it bright and bold.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
August 24 2011 20:36 GMT
#1140
Linked the writeup in the OP. ^_^
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