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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 09:32:10
November 14 2011 09:07 GMT
#1041
On November 14 2011 16:45 ZenDeX wrote:
http://techkitchen.ph/2011/11/the-fall-of-philippine-e-sports/

Looks like a blog post from one of the sponsors. The inconsistencies in some of the terms/names are painful to read though lol


Unbelievable. People has been saying that we should wait and weight the facts as come out, and here it is. It's even worse than we feared.
Thank God and gunrun.
Shel
Profile Joined December 2010
United States104 Posts
November 14 2011 09:08 GMT
#1042
Yeah Lunares, I was really disappointed too. After they finished the PPSL segment, someone put a post up on reddit saying that they didn't cover it well. Artosis started reading the thread during the broadcast, then Tyler went off on some rant saying that it wasn't their job to investigate things, and that he knew for a fact that all the facts weren't out yet, so there was nothing to say about it. Fucking punk. I hate it when these SC2 celebs talk down to us like we're a bunch of trolls. How they call us nerds as a badge of honor when they're excited, but then they turn around and call us nerds as an insult when it suits them. Fucking bastards. Makes me wanna punch someone.

User was temp banned for this post.
There is no spoon
Zvek
Profile Joined November 2011
Faroe Islands102 Posts
November 14 2011 09:30 GMT
#1043
http://techkitchen.ph/2011/11/the-fall-of-philippine-e-sports/

PPSL And The Fall Of Philippine E-Sports

This story is about how one man brought shame to the Philippine gaming community in one single blow. The events are stated in this blog are all factual telling the tales in which how the recently concluded IGSL Pacific Qualifiers came to be and how this event brought down the country’s reputation for gaming. We will not name any names of the suppliers and participants of this event, except for the one who orchastrated it all.

This started on May of 2011, when a gamer named TeamAZM WitchDoc or also known as Augustus “Gus” Ledesma approached several IT brands with a dream of uplifting the Philippine gaming community and truly placing the country in the radar of world gaming championships. It sounded like a great plan since no single gaming event could match the scale of the locally discontinued World Cyber Gaming Tournaments normally held by TV giant, Samsung. Most local Philippine events are held by PC stores, or component brands and lacked the class or organization to truly represent the country’s best gamers. The vision that this man had convinced several IT component manufacturers to join in for the event, which was aptly named Philippine Pro Starcraft League.

After several meetings, cost estimates and presentations, by June the event support for the PPSL was finally approved. The tournament was supposed to be held on the first week of October. Ledesma promised ad placements, event marketing, online and offline announcements to promote the event. (Take note that the tournament was still called PPSL and not IGSL Pacific Qualifiers. By this time, IGSL didn’t get involved yet in the event.) Two months came to pass, no one heard from Ledesma. By August, the only thing that the sponsors saw was the poster and jacket design. No word yet on how the event will happen, or what was needed for it. The sponsors were expecting the poster to be out in the gaming community and the IT industry by this time. It was imperative that the brands supporting the event would be broadcasted properly. Upon closer inspection, the posters were never printed, nor distributed to the IT industry as promised by Ledesma.

In one of the last email conversations that the sponsors had with Ledesma, his team mentioned “PPSL will change the way how the world will view Philippine gaming”. By the end of August, nothing turly substantial or major was presented. This earned the distrust of the sponsors, but because of their commitment to the event still decided to push thru with it. A marketing plan came from Ledesma and his marketing manager outlinining the following:

Hype video for the PPSL’s sponsor for viral marketing. Flyers to be handed out in strategic locations around Metro Manila. PPSL Will be giving out free goodies through their online promotions in Facebook. Updating all our partner websites with new details concerning the PPSL

None of the promised marketing plans were followed except for a few exposures from HWM and Philippine Star. This wasn’t the fault of Ledesma’s PR agency, but Ledesma who took so long to approve the PR that was needed by the event. Admists the shadiness of the organizer’s character, the partners already signed the contract on the event, so there was no backing out. It was reported that Ledesma asked for a substantial amount of money to make the event happen (event cost and the prize money), in which the combined effort of the partners was easily attainable. This is where things started to slope down. Eventhough that the partners paid already half for the event, Ledesma kept hammering the sponsors for more money. He asked an additional 16 computer units for which he didn’t explain why he needed more (the reality will be revealed later on) in which the partners did not agree anymore since the contract was already inked months before. He threathened that we would ask IT brands for marketing support if what he wanted couldn’t be given. Sadly, to his dismay, the contract in which he signed had an exclusivity clause in it so competing brands cannot participate in the event even if Ledesma wanted them to.

As the event date drew near, the partners received an email moving the event from October to November. This was to increase the visibility of the promotions that the PPSL needed and give more time for Ledesma to fine tune everything that was needed for the event. The final dates were set on November 7-8, 2011, almost simultaneous to the Pinoy Gaming Festival 2.0 that another gaming group called Mineski was planning. This was relayed to Ledesma, which reportedly said:

Mineski is for squatters, no one will go to that event

Around October, Ledesma flew the United States with his team without the knowledge of the partners. This was to ask for the official and financial support of IGN. By accepting IGN support, the event was now officially IGSL Pacific Qualifiers. This made the partners feel a tad queesy, since Ledesma held a significant amount of money and flew to Las Vegas with three other people. It gave the impression that he used the partner’s money to fund the trip.

Fast forward to November 7. The partners were setting up in Glorietta already as early as 12AM. All the requirements for the event was completed by 7AM and everything was already a green light. Whatever technical glitches on hardware was easily resolved by the partners team. When the players complained about how slow the PC’s were running, the units were immediately upgraded a few hours later. The main technical problem didn’t come from the hardware, but rather on the crawling internet connection that Globe Telecom provided. From 6750 to Glorietta, Globe provided a point to point 3Mbps connection to cater to 32 computer units. Anyone knows that a point to point 3Mbps connection cannot accommodate 32 players playing. This was the bandwidth that Ledesma asked from Globe hence the slow down in the games as well as in the broadcasts. The players had to split into groups, playing across Makati in different internet cafes. Some were left in Glorietta, the rest awaiting what will happen to them. The internet speed remained the same even during the second day. Although there were a lot of spectators and walk-in during the event which made the partners happy, Ledesma seemed uncontent. He was seen hammering the partners for additional for financial support even to the minutes before the prize awarding. It was even reported that the event marshalls and volunteers were not even paid their promised wages.

The main technical problem didn’t come from the hardware, but rather on the crawling internet connection that Globe Telecom provided. From 6750 to Glorietta, Globe provided a point to point 3Mbps connection to cater to 32 computer units.

As for the allegations regarding the players who were supposed to be flown in from abroad or even locally, we cannot comment on it. You’d have to read the links that are listed below if you want more information regarding that aspect of the tournament. As for the Heroes of Newerth side, when the partners pieced it all together, that was actually the reason why Ledesma was severely pushing the addition of 16 units for the tournament. Apparently, Ledesma was given a additional 2000USD to be used for prizes for the HON tournament which he promised to be simultaneous with the IPSL Tournament.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283925&currentpage=All
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=284234&currentpage=All
http://www.gameops.net/2011/11/scandal-at-philippine-pro-starcraft.html
http://www.sc2sea.com/printthread.php?t=2699
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600
http://wunder.me/derek-dox-reball-speaks-out-on-ipl4-pacific-qualifiers/

What seemed to be the main problem with Ledesma as far as the partners are concerned is his inability to present a concrete breakdown of expenses and the promised marketing mileage was not attained. Where were the team jackets and lanyards that the partners paid for? What happened to the big posters in the venue as well as the TV coverage? What happened to all the money? It made the partners feel that they were duped by a single entity the same way the rest of the international and local gaming communities. Truly, no single person has made such an impact in the gaming industry that it be making waves around the whole Philippines and international scene. Sadly, instead of putting the Philippines in the international map in a positive way, one man was able to turn the world disgusted at the Philippines on how this international competition happened.
rengarr
Profile Joined November 2011
42 Posts
November 14 2011 09:52 GMT
#1044
Out of curiosity, who is the author of that blog and what is his connection to this whole mess?

All the sources he stated just contain most of the stuff already found on the different topics here, yet his post seems to contain a lot of new information. Like that statement from Gus about how Mineski's events are attended only by squatters and some specific details of the deals Gus made with the sponsors.
Zraf
Profile Joined August 2010
54 Posts
November 14 2011 10:30 GMT
#1045
His identity/sources on some of the new information stated in the blog. I'm a bit curious on how he got a lot of stuff wrong tho, like IGSL and Las Vegas. I'm guessing he isn't part of the community, but has connections with the other sponsors?
riez_n
Profile Joined November 2011
Philippines5 Posts
November 14 2011 10:42 GMT
#1046
There's no official announcement from Team AKZ/Gus regarding this till now?

Woo Woo Woo! You know it!
ozdy
Profile Joined April 2011
17 Posts
November 14 2011 10:45 GMT
#1047
I hope Gus goes to jail!
It's not important to be good, it's important to be a maniac.
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
November 14 2011 10:53 GMT
#1048
On November 14 2011 19:42 riez_n wrote:
There's no official announcement from Team AKZ/Gus regarding this till now?



There are. Team AZK got screwed over as well by Gus. And Gus himself once made a thread, where he said basically nothing. He also said he wants to speak on Lo3, but shortly before the event he said that he does not find a microphone.
Gus basically doges the public.
rengarr
Profile Joined November 2011
42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 11:05:13
November 14 2011 10:58 GMT
#1049
The first two sources are topics here, and I don't recall anyone posting anything about Gus's comments about Mineski or stuff regarding the PPSL's marketing scheme or the details like deals with sponsors regarding team jackets and lanyards.

The third source uses another article as its source which again, uses the TL forums as its source

Fourth link is YoonJY's post which has been linked to at the TL forums numerous times

Fifth link is Dox's blog here, sixth is just an interview with him that doesn't reveal anything new other than a few more specifics about Dox's interactions with Gus. None of which mention Gus's comment on Mineski events or stuff about how the PPSL was supposed to have turned out that haven't already been mentioned around here.

And while the site does mention the name of the author, it makes no note of his profession. So that's really not anything concrete
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 11:05:53
November 14 2011 11:04 GMT
#1050
Those six links does not appear to be citations, but simply referrals to further information about the scandal. My reading of it is that this person is either one of the sponsor "partners" or has direct talks with the sponsor partners. The information from that blog includes many direct paraphrasing from partners that weren't previously disclosed in any of these threads.

Very disturbing how many parties did Gus screwed over. How did someone like him get away with something this big?

It's been a week since PPSL, and there's a week left before Amanda's due date for that $12k bill. Has anyone came out and said they actually got paid by Gus yet?
Thank God and gunrun.
Zraf
Profile Joined August 2010
54 Posts
November 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#1051
On November 14 2011 19:58 rengarr wrote:
The first two sources are topics here, and I don't recall anyone posting anything about Gus's comments about Mineski or stuff regarding the PPSL's marketing scheme or the details like deals with sponsors regarding team jackets and lanyards.

The third source uses another article as its source which again, uses the TL forums as its source

Fourth link is YoonJayY's post which has been linked to at the TL forums numerous times

Fifth link is Dox's blog here, sixth is just an interview with him that doesn't reveal anything new other than a few more specifics about Dox's interactions with Gus. None of which mention Gus's comment on Mineski events or stuff about how the PPSL was supposed to have turned out that haven't already been mentioned around here.

And while the site does mention the name of the author, it makes no note of his profession. So that's really not anything concrete


If you were referring to my post, I was actually pertaining to the sources for the new info (which seem to be insider information from someone directly related on the sponsor's side)

The author's name is John Paul Locsin, but there seems to be no other information on the site.
ESPRITsc
Profile Joined April 2011
200 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 11:10:08
November 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#1052
All of the sponsors of the PPSL should sue Gus and give him what he deserves.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 11:09:04
November 14 2011 11:08 GMT
#1053
New article sounds very poorly written. Any idea who wrote it?
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
rengarr
Profile Joined November 2011
42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 11:16:55
November 14 2011 11:12 GMT
#1054
On November 14 2011 20:05 Zraf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 19:58 rengarr wrote:
The first two sources are topics here, and I don't recall anyone posting anything about Gus's comments about Mineski or stuff regarding the PPSL's marketing scheme or the details like deals with sponsors regarding team jackets and lanyards.

The third source uses another article as its source which again, uses the TL forums as its source

Fourth link is YoonJayY's post which has been linked to at the TL forums numerous times

Fifth link is Dox's blog here, sixth is just an interview with him that doesn't reveal anything new other than a few more specifics about Dox's interactions with Gus. None of which mention Gus's comment on Mineski events or stuff about how the PPSL was supposed to have turned out that haven't already been mentioned around here.

And while the site does mention the name of the author, it makes no note of his profession. So that's really not anything concrete


If you were referring to my post, I was actually pertaining to the sources for the new info (which seem to be insider information from someone directly related on the sponsor's side)

The author's name is John Paul Locsin, but there seems to be no other information on the site.



Actually that's pretty much my point, "John Paul Locsin" isn't a lot to go on. I want to believe what's written on the blog, especially considering what people who have talked to Gus have been saying, it's no stretch to assume that all the new crap in that blog about him is true. Stuff like Mineski events are only attended by squatters sounds like something Gus would say.

Still this is an unverified source, and the blog only has 2 posts.

Interestingly enough, the second post (about Gigabyte motherboards) links to PC Trends who was a sponsor of the PPSL. So I'm guessing JPL is someone with some connection to PC Trends.
riez_n
Profile Joined November 2011
Philippines5 Posts
November 14 2011 11:13 GMT
#1055
On November 14 2011 19:53 Sandermatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 19:42 riez_n wrote:
There's no official announcement from Team AKZ/Gus regarding this till now?



There are. Team AZK got screwed over as well by Gus. And Gus himself once made a thread, where he said basically nothing. He also said he wants to speak on Lo3, but shortly before the event he said that he does not find a microphone.
Gus basically doges the public.


Sorry, i wasn't clear enough. What i meant was, are there any new statements after their first statements (referring to - And Gus himself once made a thread, where he said basically nothing.)

Woo Woo Woo! You know it!
EnTaroAdun411
Profile Joined March 2010
Philippines106 Posts
November 14 2011 11:17 GMT
#1056
All I could see from that post is an email address, velociraptorboy@yahoo.com.

It mentions no other details regarding the author. And only 2 blog posts.
MigraineBoy#1957
Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
November 14 2011 11:21 GMT
#1057
On November 14 2011 18:08 Shel wrote:
Yeah Lunares, I was really disappointed too. After they finished the PPSL segment, someone put a post up on reddit saying that they didn't cover it well. Artosis started reading the thread during the broadcast, then Tyler went off on some rant saying that it wasn't their job to investigate things, and that he knew for a fact that all the facts weren't out yet, so there was nothing to say about it. Fucking punk. I hate it when these SC2 celebs talk down to us like we're a bunch of trolls. How they call us nerds as a badge of honor when they're excited, but then they turn around and call us nerds as an insult when it suits them. Fucking bastards. Makes me wanna punch someone.


This is a silly reaction. They said they didn't know the details, so they didn't want to comment on it. They even said that for now, they'll just defer to Gunrun.

Anyways, even if they looked it all up and figured out enough to talk about it, what would you want them to say? "Gus did a bad thing"? That's basically all there is to say. Anyways, it's not like this was there last show ever. They can always discuss it further in a future episode if it warrants it.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
November 14 2011 13:13 GMT
#1058
On November 14 2011 20:21 Mainland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 18:08 Shel wrote:
Yeah Lunares, I was really disappointed too. After they finished the PPSL segment, someone put a post up on reddit saying that they didn't cover it well. Artosis started reading the thread during the broadcast, then Tyler went off on some rant saying that it wasn't their job to investigate things, and that he knew for a fact that all the facts weren't out yet, so there was nothing to say about it. Fucking punk. I hate it when these SC2 celebs talk down to us like we're a bunch of trolls. How they call us nerds as a badge of honor when they're excited, but then they turn around and call us nerds as an insult when it suits them. Fucking bastards. Makes me wanna punch someone.


This is a silly reaction. They said they didn't know the details, so they didn't want to comment on it. They even said that for now, they'll just defer to Gunrun.

Anyways, even if they looked it all up and figured out enough to talk about it, what would you want them to say? "Gus did a bad thing"? That's basically all there is to say. Anyways, it's not like this was there last show ever. They can always discuss it further in a future episode if it warrants it.


Mostly because it only takes; say 5 mins top to read Dox's blog and that's all the info you really need. I have a hard time believing they didn't know some of the atrocities Gus did.

They just side-stepped the issue imo.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 14 2011 13:26 GMT
#1059
have the players been paid?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
November 14 2011 13:34 GMT
#1060
According to people at the floor, the players are paid in cash (envelops) by one of the sponsors at the end of the event.
Thank God and gunrun.
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