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On April 10 2012 22:26 Hassybaby wrote:
Mementoss, talk to me. You've mentioned a few people you find suspicious beforehand. Since then we basically haven't seen a number of players who are normally a lot more active than this (Artanis and Zephirdd come into mind)
How do you feel about these normally strong town players basically disappearing?
Right now I really don't have a good grip on peoples meta's and how strong they are usually. Obviously from being around a couple names stand out.
Artanis's inactiveness is completely against his meta, as the games I played with him he was very active almost in posting mode two different times in the day. He scum-hunted and was part of a pro-town atmosphere.His excuse seems to be he was confirmed town and now he is not. Well you can still give your opinion if not. He ended up presenting his opinion on 3 cases too late that were talked to to death.
Zephridd: dont know anything about him other than him other than hes lurking hard. The only stance I remember him on was he wanted to lynch WBG at one point.
WBG: I don't know his meta either but I know hes been around. I can't see anything particularly useful in his filter in terms of looking for scum. Lots o' fluff. Quick to defend VE.
VE: Actions are all over the place very inconsistent. Went from lurking half the day, to posting like made to get a Hassy push. Very odd timing on his play.
BH: Same way. Other than spam up the thread with 4Face after the flip maybe to bury the case on VE by midnight, what has he done? Oh yeah replied to useless Sputnik for a while. Sputnik is just terrible get over it, there is a good chance he is mafia but there is a good chance he has not logic too. BH has spent more time in paint then in the thread. I hope to see more of him. Not sure completely what to think.
Grackaroni: Does nothing, comes in posting his first case to jump on hassy train. I think he put a halfass case on you just to look like he wasn't bandwagoning it didn't feel genuine. Lurking pretty hard.
Adam: Focused on Tunkeg for like 3 out of 5 of his posts, then comes in and agrees with the case on Janaan and votes for him. Lurking hard, enough to not get modkilled.
Im hoping if there is town in here they will start playing the game in day 2. There is most likely one scum within this group as well.
I dont want to go much further into this night 1, but here is a basis of what I am thinking about what you asked. I think the vets that are town, will come out to play day 2, and are just trying to survive first cycle after they gain information. Otherwise, lets see what happens tonight.
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EBWOP: Yeah Zephridd was replaced, forgot lol.
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EEEEBWOP: I thought you wanted opinions on more than just those two players about people who are lurking if I over answered it whatever I got my thoughts out there. At least you know where I stand.
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Oh Son of a.....my bad
My question about Artanis STILL stands. Also, same question about Zelblade and Adam
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On April 10 2012 22:52 Hassybaby wrote:
Oh Son of a.....my bad
My question about Artanis STILL stands. Also, same question about Zelblade and Adam
I just caught up on the thread. I'll be making some cases of my own come day. Wasn't too active until later in the day last time due to Easter. I'd rather not post my thoughts right now but wait for Day as I don't think it's likely I'm going to get shot tonight.
@Mementoss: It's against my meta that you're using from a very small game where others weren't as active. This thread got big fast. This game can be compared a lot better to TL Mafia XXX, where if you check my filter I barely posted and was town. I post less in big games as there's an overflow of information and I'd rather not spam up a thread already spammed up with useless information.
The case on Sputnik was also far from talked to death. If it was, he'd have been hanging from the gallows as his posting is atrocious. I'd have gone for new cases but by the time I caught up (easter weekend) it was already too close to lynching time to start new cases. Expect me to dig in more on day 2.
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ninja'd as well!?!? 
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Well if it worked last time...Kitana, you're lurking hard as well.
You'v accused Toad of being wishy-washy when he's been pretty clear about who he wants dead. His posts, the ones you claim are rambling, are anything but, and have plenty of points in them. Is that your only reason for voting for him, and you barely followed through on your initial thoughts. Who's the one being wishy-washy now?
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With the risk of sounding like a douche.. I want everyone to post why they thought Janaan was suspicious and how they feel about it now. But since I'm almost certain that won't happen let's talk about night mechanics.
I don't like how hard it is for a DT to get the right check. I mean there's the possibility of an insane, naive or paranoid modifier. There might be framers, there might be opium dealers, the target might be secretive, it might be a Godfather or traitor.
Furthermore I think Watchers and Trackers are pretty useless too with all the stealth, and overly inquisitive stuff going on.
So if you are one of those don't overestimate your value to town.
Medic and Mason however are the key to winning this game. If you're one of those, don't panic, try not to claim if it's not absolutely necessary, if sputnik will claim for example I'd lynch him anyway because scum would also say whatever it takes not to get lynched. Try not to lead. If you're fixed on only a couple of players get a bigger perspective. If you think you've got everything figured out it's time to go deeper into analysis.
If you are a medic and someone who is leading is still alive even though you have never saved him, he's probably scum. Also please ignore everyone who is begging to be saved
If you are a mason don't waste your night action on including the leader of the town to your circle as he will most likely be killed anyway and i doubt that you can post in the masonQT after you're killed in-game.
If you are Lords/vanilla townies your life is hardly worth anything so don't hesitate to take the lead. Fight your way to town's ears, don't let especially veterans discourage you. You are new to this game.. all the more better because I don't see how playing this game a lot can make you better at it judging by how the veterans are playing this one.
We can win this game if we pay attention to dynamic, not just individual actions. Be worried when someone takes something out of context or someone tries to establish bullshit as fact like claiming someone is playing well without supplying evidence because there isn't any. Note if someone is struggling hard to get his point or action across and understand the resistance he is facing.
I want to say a last thing before I go play some basketball and possibly get laid later tonight and not witness the dawn of Day2. In my PM from the host I got a custom fluff, meaning my Lord has a certain personality trait that reflects my posting from before the start of the game. Probably a subtle jest but it serves as a criteria to establish the authenticity of a claim because I doubt that scum received a customized claim too. Note that Janaan didn't post anything besides /in therefore it doesn't surprise me that his fluff doesn't contain any noteworthy personality traits.
If what I'm saying here is true you can make out scum in the lategame when they're claiming their fluff and it's not in any way attributable to they're posts from before the game started. If what I'm saying is true I also want to congratulate the hosts for putting so much effort into detail. If it's not true and my fluff happens to be randomly reflecting my post.. forget about it.
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Sorry guys I have been a little busy with some schoolwork. Its sort of slowing down though, so ill hopefully be able to post more tomorrow. I still dont like sput and VE, though im less sure about Tunkeg due to his last few posts before his "death" being somewhat townish. Need to read the thread properlly though, havent really had time to do so and will do it tomorrow.
Going to sleep now, night.
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On April 10 2012 23:50 FourFace wrote:
I want to say a last thing before I go play some basketball and possibly get laid later tonight and not witness the dawn of Day2. In my PM from the host I got a custom fluff, meaning my Lord has a certain personality trait that reflects my posting from before the start of the game. Probably a subtle jest but it serves as a criteria to establish the authenticity of a claim because I doubt that scum received a customized claim too. Note that Janaan didn't post anything besides /in therefore it doesn't surprise me that his fluff doesn't contain any noteworthy personality traits.
Agree. I'm being trolled massivly in my pm.
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If that's the case then I'm partially honoured and partially insulted.
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Just woke up from work - catching up in the thread.
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Toad, you here?
What do you think of johnnywup? Since his first few posts, he's been sheeping VE hard. Also, if we're talking about vote switching that much then he should be very much up there as a suspect.
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On April 10 2012 21:59 Toadesstern wrote:Sup guys. lynch Hassy tomorrow, lynch VE the day after that and we win. Also here's an awesome laya-style flowchart. It's really easy and explains what to do as a DT this night considering me: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/maYpH.jpg) That being said. Still reading the last 5 pages and I'm only a little (!) pissed right now. I need someone to stop me from raging though, if people like gonzaw keep on beeing gonzaw because I'm going to find a way to punch them in the face via Internet (@GM: Don't worry that's just an euphemism for getting him killed in this game and I'm not actually talking about punching him in the face). Also since there seems to be some idiots (read: Gonzaw and VE, pretty sure VE is a mafia who's being stupid on purpose though) suggesting shooting me would be awesome I'd like people to consider me and Jackal as medic protection targets as well.Although people keep thinking about my AC performance all the time because that shit was seriously hilarious I am actually quite good as townie myself imo. Remember L? People wanted to kill me because I was right ALL THE TIME with my mafia reads and they thought I bussed 4 out of my X ( don't remember how many mafias that game had) to look townish because people didn't believe my reads were better than those people like wbg, SS and so on had. Remember the mason log with SS wbg? In 50 I killed half of the mafias myself. In Storm I was on WBG's ass (who everyone considers to be a really good mafia player) and VE's ass from day1 on (well and RoL but everyone knew RoL was mafia so that probably doesn't count) and sadly noone listened to me and kept lynching whatever wbg wanted to be lynched. That being said I think I'm quite good myself and would like to be alive tomorrow :3 You may ask "Toad why are you painting a big red cross above your head right now? You're making yourself a big target right now". But fear not because VE is mafia and he actually knows that I'm not retarded and am very much capable to find a shitload of mafias early on and the biggest flaw in my game is properly expressing what I found in people and why they are actually mafia so basicly I'm already a target. I sincerely doubt a townie vig would shoot into wbg or Jackal that early in the game because those two clearly are the best 2 players in this game. So any shots on wbg or Jackal would be from mafia imo, although it's very much a possibility that one of them or even both are mafia. Not sure about their alignment yet but you never know. Worst case would be you waste a medic on a vet who turns out to be mafia. Yeah sounds stupid but it's not the end of the world. Losing Town-WBG or Town-Jackal however would be tough. The important thing here is that a : Townie shot a mafia and townie saved mafia from death can't happen because no one would be crazy enough to shoot into those 2 as a townie. However I don't like VE requesting medic protection for him and wbg only that being said I think Jackal is a decent target as well and I myself obviously don't want to die because some Jackass thought suggesting to shoot me is a good idea because gonzaw is shitting up the thread making it look like I'm a good target while actually dozens of people tell him that I'm not. (hint hint: There's a limited number of mafias in this game, don't tell me I've got 10 mafia buddies who are telling lies to protect me) About the DT: Whatever... If you really think I am suspicious go ahead and check me but I'd rather see you try and find mafia somewhere else because you won't find any at my place. It really comes down to the flowchart I did. There's litereally only 1 guy in this thread who thinks I am suspicious and keeps barking and barking no matter how many people tell him he's got nothing that makes me look either one way or the other.
*sigh* It's posts like these that make me suspicious of you.
Seriously, read the whole post.
Here is all it says:
-gonzaw is an idiot
-VE and Hassy are scum
-DT don't waste your check on me, but if you want go ahead.
-Scum will shoot wbg, Jackal or me
The rest of your post is just useless filler. For christ sake.
You use like a million words to convey few thoughts, and bury them in your gigantic posts. Also, this post doesn't bring anything new to the discussion, it's just you being butthurt.
You don't post any new reads of yours, you don't post more thoughts on other people other than Hassy, you don't comment on anything.
You are STILL going nuts over my FoS of you. You say I'm "shitting the thread" and "stupidly tunneling you".
That's the most ironic thing said in this thread, at most you are the one tunneling me by making 80% of your posts be about how you hate me and think I'm an idiot, instead of clearly dealing with the points I mentioned about your behaviour and bringing new things to the table.
Before I go to uni I'll make a big ass post about all my thoughts about you so people have an easier time to read them and make a judgement on you.
Also I didn't suggest shooting you, I suggested shooting ST.
About wbg:
I don't like his play here. In the beginning he just trolled. Then he spends most of his time rehashing things from the guides and explaining to everybody how "mafia can be lurkers" or how "vets can be inactive" and a whole lot of "advice".
The problem is that he spends MOST of his time pointing out this advice, instead of doing more productive things. He barely posted reads of his own, and instead just asks people "Who do you want to kill?"
The only noticeable read he posts is the one on Hassybaby, which is the one that started the whole counter-wagon thing on him.
The way he posts just screams "trying to appear I'm contributing while I don't".
However, I will wait for D2 in case he dies; but if I die and he doesn't, take this into account and push him more.
There are other players I'll keep my eye on D2, after rereading D1 they didn't bring much to the discussion and went mostly unnoticed, mostly these:
sloosh, Adam, Grack, Midnight.
Obviously there are other lurkers like Katina, Zealos that are doing a shitty job so far.
But there are so many of them it's hard to keep track of them all and trying to find out who of them is scum or not :/
If I have extra time I'll take a better look at them.
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Yay prplhz!! ^^
Help us find the scums bro - the dude you're replacing has been waaaay useless.
@FF
I like how you don't consider players like Myself and bugs qualified to direct blues, but you're qualified to remove the "waste" from the thread. Pull the other one sir.
I'm giving our blues my advice. They can follow it or they can ignore it, that's entirely up to them. Frankly, I don't give a shit if you don't think I'm qualified.
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On April 10 2012 23:32 Hassybaby wrote:
Well if it worked last time...Kitana, you're lurking hard as well.
You'v accused Toad of being wishy-washy when he's been pretty clear about who he wants dead. His posts, the ones you claim are rambling, are anything but, and have plenty of points in them. Is that your only reason for voting for him, and you barely followed through on your initial thoughts. Who's the one being wishy-washy now?
Not lurking sweetie, been busy. Froggy hasn't done anything to make me think otherwise. He is't clear and concise about his reads. Froggy casts suspicion on a lot of people but doesn't follow through he goes wbg is suspicion, kenpachi is susicion, etc. He never really mentioned why he thought ghoust was suspicious either when he voted for him. He also thinks you are suspicious, hehe.
I'm not being wishy washy, I still want to kll him. VE needs to die too but Mr. Froggy is first on my list to die.
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just shut up gonzaw, please. Your bringing things that are clear town treats to the discussion EVERY TIME and end up saying that's a mafia treat which is just bullshit.
I am not going to talk about new reads unless I'm 100% certain about those reads because it's night. Therefore yes I am not talking about new reads, thanks for figureing out I'm a townie and telling everyone.
Also I'm not tunneling you. I'm saying you're an idiot and that people must not listen to a word you say regarding me BECAUSE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SHOOT ME, although everyone keeps telling you you're wrong. Tunneling would be telling everyone to kill you because I think you are mafia and honestly I really doubt you're that pushy and wrong at the same time when everyone in here tells you you're wrong.
I thought being a little tunnelish is a town treat for you but you're so overdoing it. I'd really like people to check gonzaw if there's a DT wandering around not knowing who to check for :p
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Hey Katina! You're way off on your read of me! Allow me to clear it up! What don't you like about my play?
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On April 11 2012 02:16 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:32 Hassybaby wrote:
Well if it worked last time...Kitana, you're lurking hard as well.
You'v accused Toad of being wishy-washy when he's been pretty clear about who he wants dead. His posts, the ones you claim are rambling, are anything but, and have plenty of points in them. Is that your only reason for voting for him, and you barely followed through on your initial thoughts. Who's the one being wishy-washy now? Not lurking sweetie, been busy. Froggy hasn't done anything to make me think otherwise. He is't clear and concise about his reads. Froggy casts suspicion on a lot of people but doesn't follow through he goes wbg is suspicion, kenpachi is susicion, etc. He never really mentioned why he thought ghoust was suspicious either when he voted for him. He also thinks you are suspicious, hehe. I'm not being wishy washy, I still want to kll him. VE needs to die too but Mr. Froggy is first on my list to die.
wat?
I said I wanted wbg's to explain what he did, he did, I was okay with his explanation. Sure I could have said "hey there wbg, I might possibly consider to maybe place a pressure vote on you because I think what you did is stupid" but saying "btw guys, if I had to shoot someone right now it'd be wbg" gets the message done way better because frankly wbgs would not have answered my question at all if I had done the first one. How is that not clear?
I said I'd like to kill Kenpachi because I don't like him. That' a policy thingy. I am not able to read him, neither is anyone else imo and therefore we might as well get rid of him sooner or later because to me he's like one of the other lurkers we've got and he's not willing to show his alignment. Yeah sorry I don't back up my policy-death-wishes with cases because they're policy death-wishes / policy-pressure.
I said Ghost scumslipped. That's why I voted it. How can I be more clear and concise about the matter?
I said Hassybaby is suspicious because he isn't a clear lurker yet flies ever so slightly above the lurker radar promising to start contributing soon when I ask him making it look like he actually does something and ignores that promise doing exactly nothing for the next COUPLE of hours when clearly he was around until I post something about him again saying that I'd be more than willing to lynch either ghost & Hassy, placing my vote on ghost because I thought it's easier to get people one someone who scumslipped.
So please go ahead and tell me what about that is not clear? I know I'm not a guy who's posting concise but I never am so that hardly says anything.
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Thank you Toad for another pointless post from you.
Yes you are tunneling me, even if you "think" I'm town. The only focus of your posts is trying discredit me, arguing with me and saying how I'm an idiot. You can't possibly say that's untrue, that last post of yours is proof of that.
I'm not tunneling you, or if I am I try not to. I'm giving you plenty of opportunities to redeem yourself by asking for your reads and thoughts of the game so far, which you clearly refuse to do and instead try to discredit me more.
P.S: I can't possibly believe anyone will think those things I pointed out are town traits. Filler and fluff-filled posts that say nothing, not contributing at all, not giving reads when asked, not commenting on what's happening in the thread, being too verbose and making heavy posts that ultimately say nothing are the opposite of town traits.
@Katina: Please post your thoughts on the events of the last day.
What do you think of ST? What do you think about the Hassy wagon that formed 5 hours before the day ended? What do you think about the people involved in them, or about the people that opposed it and decided to keep their vote on Janaan?
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