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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On April 10 2012 20:45 Zealos wrote: Wow, you just asked for a visit then claim that he should only go for people he can be sure of as town? Yes, a good player knows I am town by now... Also stfu. Don't post your townreads, especially not at night... | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On April 10 2012 20:40 Zealos wrote: It would mean at worst, that he is just a bad town, however, the way in which he is honest about his reads means he isn't trying to hide his agenda, which is townie play imo, and even if comparatively he isn't good town, I would still bet he's a lot better than some of the newer players here. Read: Me It also means I didn't read the thread thoroughly enough today ^^ Damn you guys...I'm trying to do an exam here Stop that right now. It makes no difference if you're new or a vet. You're a player in this game and you should not trust ANYONE except yourself. He may be a better player overall, but that means nothing if YOU think he's not good this game. This goes to everyone out there. Sure, use lists if you want. But if you're not happy with the list, and you are confident in your call of someone, you better do it. Hiding behind the fact that a vet doesn't think the same way a s bullshit thing to do and you'll never get anywhere. I did the exact same thing in my first game, as did a lot of new players. Town got played hard | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3573 Posts
I originally stated that I thought his town play was good, and was promoting a scum hunting atmosphere. I am failing to see what exactly you are scared of from WBG, are you scum? and afraid of him catching you out? Maybe you just want to make the whole thread get derailed again? I feel this is the last we should talk of his past play, and instead look at the fact he has been playing strong all game, and if I can avoid it, won't be lynched any time soon. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On April 10 2012 20:52 Zealos wrote: I'm pretty sure you were the first to bring up his past play? (being good at mafia and not town) I originally stated that I thought his town play was good, and was promoting a scum hunting atmosphere. I am failing to see what exactly you are scared of from WBG, are you scum? and afraid of him catching you out? Maybe you just want to make the whole thread get derailed again? I feel this is the last we should talk of his past play, and instead look at the fact he has been playing strong all game, and if I can avoid it, won't be lynched any time soon. Then that's the last we'll speak about it. I only want you to use your own brain, and not follow him because you think that he's a better player overall. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Tunkeg - please don't give us the 'good players know I'm town'. What we know is that you didn't get lynched. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3573 Posts
On April 10 2012 20:53 Hassybaby wrote: Then that's the last we'll speak about it. I only want you to use your own brain, and not follow him because you think that he's a better player overall. I did use my own brain, if you read my original statement. But ok. Who do you think is the most scummy so far? WBG? Or someone else? | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
And I've said this a fair few times. sputnik is my strongest scum read. If he hasn't been vigged by the end of the night, I would like him to be a serious candidate for the D2 lynch | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
I do think VE's vote switching and inconsistencies through day 1 make me suspicious of him. I find it really odd, that WBG immediately defends VE and discredits the case on him completely and continues to do so until the thread is spammed up. Just for a reference, its probably better to let the accused defend themselves first, as the pressure is trying to get a response from them. If they are scum and you are flat out defending them discrediting the case, they can either say what you said or just ignore the comments. Suspicious indeed. On April 10 2012 20:17 Zealos wrote: It's funny you of all people should talk of how to act as a blue role ^^ On topic though, I still want Johnny dead, he's useless, and I'll show you why in the day. I would also say Hassy is also very scummy. Going at WBG, are you kidding? He's one of the few useful posters right now, and probably one of the strongest town players in the game. Wat. I don't see where you would get this from. Unless your not following the game, or you have a bias opinion on him from a game before. All he has done thus far is ask people questions, or throw arround a comment here and there. Look at his filter he hasn't contributed at all any unique opinions or any attempt to scum hunt. Hes full of fluff and trying to ask other peoples opinions. I would suggest everyone go through WBG's filter. And as usualy Sputnik theory is ridiculous and his posts say nothing other than I don't understand what this game is, or everyone is stupid but me, look at my amazing posts. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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FourFace
701 Posts
On April 10 2012 20:52 Zealos wrote: I'm pretty sure you were the first to bring up his past play? (being good at mafia and not town) I originally stated that I thought his town play was good, and was promoting a scum hunting atmosphere. I am failing to see what exactly you are scared of from WBG, are you scum? and afraid of him catching you out? Maybe you just want to make the whole thread get derailed again? I feel this is the last we should talk of his past play, and instead look at the fact he has been playing strong all game, and if I can avoid it, won't be lynched any time soon. wbg says he wants to lynch trolls and calls someone else stupid for disagreeing. Generally calling others stupid is a good thing for town right? He says ST and Toad are good DT-check candidates. Think about that for a minute and tell me it doesn't make you bash something. If a player won't make a good lynch then they won't make a good vig shot either. It's just common sense. This is one of the stupidest thing I've heard all game. I just lost the post I was writing. - generally not very brightYou say you agree with him then want to get him killed? rofl what - didn't bother to read my first post where I explain the bladder thing. In general you should read everything especially what was posted before the start of the game, but he doesn't seem to care.so you think a guy who is still trolling is worth keeping alive? stupid people like you don't want to lynch trolls. Lynch the trolls .. sounds cool, is a terribly small-minded way of looking at things. In fact wbg has no problems whatsoever with calling people noob or trolls, he just assumes everyone shares his views and that everyone knows that everyone who doesn't share his view is noob town or stupid - so he doesn't have to bother to explain what exactly he finds a certain way because everyone is on bro-level with him and they intuitively get it. Personally I hate this genre of people like I hate house music. They're just tufzi tufzi and nothing more to them most of the time. So I prefer the trollish trip-hop, Downtempo and wicked oldschool hip-hop but I'd love to listen to inspired piano sounds and soothing voices any time. wbg was one of those derps who actually believed we could get a majority on Hassybaby instead of sputnik.theory along with Toad. I have been on sput's ass for so freaking long and everyone seemed to agree that he's a valid candidate, and what do you clowns do (VE included) .. you freaking vote for Hassy? And then be like yeah I have to be pro town and assure this lynch. Not only does wbg have -1 cred now because he assured a lynch on a townie.. he's super derp too for believing he could lynch Hassy, not to mention super scummy because Hassy supported a lynch that would've gone down ezpz if you people would've just started voting for the guy instead of pressuring Hassy. I will never forgive you for this wasted opportunity and everyone who says wbg is pro town better give some reasons if he wants to show his face around here. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On April 10 2012 21:47 Mementoss wrote: EBWOP: Oh yeah and WBG is also trying to direct blue actions, or scare newer players from using there own opinions as they are probably bad and people will want to kill them if they hit town. Great motivation towards the vigs if we have any. ? Vigis should be careful. And hopefully vigis aren't claiming their kills willy-nilly so how will people want to kill them? shruggles | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Also here's an awesome laya-style flowchart. It's really easy and explains what to do as a DT this night considering me: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/maYpH.jpg) That being said. Still reading the last 5 pages and I'm only a little (!) pissed right now. I need someone to stop me from raging though, if people like gonzaw keep on beeing gonzaw because I'm going to find a way to punch them in the face via Internet (@GM: Don't worry that's just an euphemism for getting him killed in this game and I'm not actually talking about punching him in the face). Also since there seems to be some idiots (read: Gonzaw and VE, pretty sure VE is a mafia who's being stupid on purpose though) suggesting shooting me would be awesome I'd like people to consider me and Jackal as medic protection targets as well. Although people keep thinking about my AC performance all the time because that shit was seriously hilarious I am actually quite good as townie myself imo. Remember L? People wanted to kill me because I was right ALL THE TIME with my mafia reads and they thought I bussed 4 out of my X ( don't remember how many mafias that game had) to look townish because people didn't believe my reads were better than those people like wbg, SS and so on had. Remember the mason log with SS wbg? In 50 I killed half of the mafias myself. In Storm I was on WBG's ass (who everyone considers to be a really good mafia player) and VE's ass from day1 on (well and RoL but everyone knew RoL was mafia so that probably doesn't count) and sadly noone listened to me and kept lynching whatever wbg wanted to be lynched. That being said I think I'm quite good myself and would like to be alive tomorrow :3 You may ask "Toad why are you painting a big red cross above your head right now? You're making yourself a big target right now". But fear not because VE is mafia and he actually knows that I'm not retarded and am very much capable to find a shitload of mafias early on and the biggest flaw in my game is properly expressing what I found in people and why they are actually mafia so basicly I'm already a target. I sincerely doubt a townie vig would shoot into wbg or Jackal that early in the game because those two clearly are the best 2 players in this game. So any shots on wbg or Jackal would be from mafia imo, although it's very much a possibility that one of them or even both are mafia. Not sure about their alignment yet but you never know. Worst case would be you waste a medic on a vet who turns out to be mafia. Yeah sounds stupid but it's not the end of the world. Losing Town-WBG or Town-Jackal however would be tough. The important thing here is that a : Townie shot a mafia and townie saved mafia from death can't happen because no one would be crazy enough to shoot into those 2 as a townie. However I don't like VE requesting medic protection for him and wbg only that being said I think Jackal is a decent target as well and I myself obviously don't want to die because some Jackass thought suggesting to shoot me is a good idea because gonzaw is shitting up the thread making it look like I'm a good target while actually dozens of people tell him that I'm not. (hint hint: There's a limited number of mafias in this game, don't tell me I've got 10 mafia buddies who are telling lies to protect me) About the DT: Whatever... If you really think I am suspicious go ahead and check me but I'd rather see you try and find mafia somewhere else because you won't find any at my place. It really comes down to the flowchart I did. There's litereally only 1 guy in this thread who thinks I am suspicious and keeps barking and barking no matter how many people tell him he's got nothing that makes me look either one way or the other. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3573 Posts
Whether or not WBG is a fantastic town or not, I would still argue he is a town player. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 10 2012 22:00 Zealos wrote: I think he is posting actively and making an effort, which is more than can be said for a lot of players that just seem to be either lurking or inactive. Whether or not WBG is a fantastic town or not, I would still argue he is a town player. Well seeing how 6 of your last 7 posts are about WBG im interested in why you so actively defending him or promoting his "awesome" play this game. It's not like he was a huge target and you thought he really was town. Its either a noob sheeping behind a player he has respect for , or a scum buddy protecting another scum buddy. Honestly, its like your OMGUS for him, Hassy says something about him negatively and you automatically assume hes scum? + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2012 20:17 Zealos wrote: It's funny you of all people should talk of how to act as a blue role ^^ On topic though, I still want Johnny dead, he's useless, and I'll show you why in the day. I would also say Hassy is also very scummy. Going at WBG, are you kidding? He's one of the few useful posters right now, and probably one of the strongest town players in the game. On April 10 2012 20:24 Zealos wrote: Well, I'm not a veteran of these forums, but it seems like WBG is giving a lot of pro town reads and promoting a scum hunting atmosphere. He may well be a good scum player, but that isn't relevant. On April 10 2012 20:40 Zealos wrote: It would mean at worst, that he is just a bad town, however, the way in which he is honest about his reads means he isn't trying to hide his agenda, which is townie play imo, and even if comparatively he isn't good town, I would still bet he's a lot better than some of the newer players here. Read: Me It also means I didn't read the thread thoroughly enough today ^^ On April 10 2012 20:52 Zealos wrote: I'm pretty sure you were the first to bring up his past play? (being good at mafia and not town) I originally stated that I thought his town play was good, and was promoting a scum hunting atmosphere. I am failing to see what exactly you are scared of from WBG, are you scum? and afraid of him catching you out? Maybe you just want to make the whole thread get derailed again? I feel this is the last we should talk of his past play, and instead look at the fact he has been playing strong all game, and if I can avoid it, won't be lynched any time soon. On April 10 2012 20:55 Zealos wrote: I did use my own brain, if you read my original statement. But ok. Who do you think is the most scummy so far? WBG? Or someone else? Lol 6 posts. Why is him being good scum not relevant? He hasn't done anything really townie in my eyes so maybe hes tricking the shit out of you. Or you both are just scum. Also you mention him actively scum-hunting, can you back it up? Cause honestly I don't see it in his filter. I find the quote of you at the top of this post really ironic cause besides throw down a vote and blow your load for WBG you haven't done anything to influence this game or help the town in any way. Step up your game in day 2, your presence in day 1 didn't affect anyones decision on anything, nor bring any new opinions to the table. Lets just say I wouldn't cry if you were shot. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
How do you feel about these normally strong town players basically disappearing? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
My question about Artanis stands. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On April 10 2012 11:09 GMarshal wrote: Nisani201 replaces Zephirdd effective immediately. In the Day post. Reading ftw! (never mind that Nisani posted several times subsequently) <3 | ||
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