EPTSo far I haven't seen a single mech game in TvP at a professional level, but I'd wager it more on the pros being more comfortable playing the standard bio style with widow mines thrown in than trying something completely different.
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
So far I haven't seen a single mech game in TvP at a professional level, but I'd wager it more on the pros being more comfortable playing the standard bio style with widow mines thrown in than trying something completely different. | ||
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HanSomPa
United States87 Posts
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mika0023
Germany11 Posts
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Tactical
United States77 Posts
On March 10 2013 00:31 nomyx wrote: I haven't followed a lot of HotS (Just IEM, and GSTL pre-season) but how viable is mech in TvP? With the release of HotS I plan to switch to terran full time as opposed to doing a lot of race switching like I did in WoL, and I plan to mech in every match-up. So far I haven't seen a single mech game in TvP at a professional level, but I'd wager it more on the pros being more comfortable playing the standard bio style with widow mines thrown in than trying something completely different. I'm not going to say mech in TvP is or isn't viable in HoTS, as the expansion still isn't even out yet, but there are players that make it work for them in the beta. Off the top of my head, there's a video of avilo playing both a TvP with mech, and then a PvT against mech with a decent commentary explaining the viability of it Here As well as a cast of goody vs rain Here | ||
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Spoink
Austria150 Posts
On March 10 2013 18:47 mika0023 wrote: Hi, are there some HotS builds out allready ? You can just go throug IEM Vods (youtube.com/esltv) or watch MLG Vods. | ||
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Spoink
Austria150 Posts
On March 08 2013 23:48 darkphantom wrote: TvT - doing marine hellion elevator how could i have scouted this and what could i have done ? http://drop.sc/309494 -you did a good job at scouting first BUT -you scouted no CC and you didnt see anything else -if you absolutley dont know whats going on you NEED to scan at around 6:00mins ->through your scan you would see no gas, no OC(!) -> pretty much only option for him is to marine(+scv allin) allin you ->build a bunker (or two if you want to be supersafe) ->SCVs on a hotkey for instant repair ->throw down a CC if you have enough money ->win  | ||
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mika0023
Germany11 Posts
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erw
Norway284 Posts
On March 10 2013 20:24 mika0023 wrote: can i still use Reapers in WoL or are they just a waste ? Any specific openers that still work ? i believe reapers are only useful on antiga shipyard tvt | ||
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Tactical
United States77 Posts
On March 10 2013 20:24 mika0023 wrote: can i still use Reapers in WoL or are they just a waste ? Any specific openers that still work ? As far as an actual unit in your army composition to fight with, no, they're more or less a waste of supply. Unless you're going for a gimmicky multi-rax reaper or reaper/hellion/banshee build. However they still make great scouting/harrassing units. I personally use a reaper after a 1 rax fe/3 rax followup as soon as my first tech lab is done to scout with as I start stim. Or after cc first/2 rax opener. It's a decent time to scout for proxy pylons, and get into the main base to take a look around to see tech paths without having to waste a scan that early. Another option in TvZ, if you're opening 3 rax/bio before tank production, is to make ~3 of them to clear creep and take a little bit of map control since you won't have reactor hellions. But that's risky unless you know your opponent isn't going for early roach aggro. | ||
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Swordland
232 Posts
Also, is it ok to have 2x proxy barracks? Or 1 constantly pumping marauders is enough? So, BO would be 10 SD 12 gas 13 proxy rax @100%rax, Tech Lab and shells @100%rax, start marauders, and OC 16 SD @100% shells, attack This sounds good? What about having 2 rax, will it delay a lot or will it be good? | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
zvt How you defend 6m banebust out of 15hat? It has atleast 7banelings and 12~ zerglings with huge reinforcements making. I am using 1rax fe into blueflame hellion timing. -I know that if he mines over 100 gas it's probably allin. -I know if he doesn't make second queen it's probably allin. Is it simply matter of scv scouting one of those facts? Can you skip scv scout and use hellion or marinepush? How about reacting? I use techlabbed and reactored factories to make hellions or raw factories to make hellions? Placement of bunker is something I have learned but using supply depots to simcity is something i dont know about. It probably would lead to supplyblock. Heres rep of bust i am talking about if needed. http://drop.sc/309761 Don't mind the terran. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On March 10 2013 20:26 erw wrote: i believe reapers are only useful on antiga shipyard tvt Reapers are good on any cliff abuseable map. You can usually always get in and harass, or just get a good scout off. Even if they know it's coming. | ||
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
If you are going BF then you can get a tank out instead, this can serve as a temporary wall against banelings. If you are certain it is coming just make a wall with your factories and rax. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
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Batcha
Bosnia-Herzegovina72 Posts
Diamond terran here btw, and as for the questions: 1. Thoughts on hellion/marauder 1 base allins in TvT? Lately i decided to focus on tvz and tvp so i needed a way to quickly end my tvt's. I know it is a very potent unit mix in other matchups but i havent really seen it used in tvt at all so i gave it a shot. I've been stomping people so hard it made me wonder how it would pan out if i had a polished build, as i just wing it so its far from tight.. What i've done is just classic 12 rax/13 gas reactor hellion opening and i add 2 raxes while the factory and reactor are building -> make 2 techlabs -> attack with 4-6 hellions, 2-4 marauders, 2-4 marines while reinforcing. Has something similar been done at pro level? Since im wondering about the best way to arrange the production/when to cut scvs, pull guys from gas/should i pull scvs aswell and so on. Its not easy to scout so people without bunker and a well timed pull just die instantly, and even the prepared ones mostly lost since 6 hellions quickly get the repairing scvs. But again, its diamond so the level of play is bad.. 2. I'm looking for examples of openers for 3 base marine tank allins in TvZ that neglect creep suppression early on (skip banshee, low number or no hellions) for more safety but dont delay third CC/double ebay too much and start tank production early so i have more for the 2/2 push. I've been dying (or getting crippled) to some 2 base Z pushes that hit before my siege mode is done so i'm wondering if i need a rearrangement or if it's a poor control/BO execution issue. Way i open (roughly) is: rax, CC, 2x gas, reactor hellion + TL on rax, CC, after 2 hellions swap factory for tanks and rax on reactor for 2x marines, double ebay. I don't really scv scout since people do all kinds of random stuff in diamond so seeing more gas getting mined can be literally anything. Makes it hard to read the aggression before it's on the way.. Not sure if i should skip the first 2 hellions and go straight for tank? Sometimes the hellions give me the info about aggression but it doesn't really help much. On the other hand having more hellions gives you the option to kite and makes it easier to land the third sooner.. Thanks! | ||
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mau5mat
Northern Ireland461 Posts
On March 11 2013 05:59 Batcha wrote: First of all thanks to all the quality contributors, don't think it has been said enough. Diamond terran here btw, and as for the questions: 1. Thoughts on hellion/marauder 1 base allins in TvT? Lately i decided to focus on tvz and tvp so i needed a way to quickly end my tvt's. I know it is a very potent unit mix in other matchups but i havent really seen it used in tvt at all so i gave it a shot. I've been stomping people so hard it made me wonder how it would pan out if i had a polished build, as i just wing it so its far from tight.. What i've done is just classic 12 rax/13 gas reactor hellion opening and i add 2 raxes while the factory and reactor are building -> make 2 techlabs -> attack with 4-6 hellions, 2-4 marauders, 2-4 marines while reinforcing. Has something similar been done at pro level? Since im wondering about the best way to arrange the production/when to cut scvs, pull guys from gas/should i pull scvs aswell and so on. Its not easy to scout so people without bunker and a well timed pull just die instantly, and even the prepared ones mostly lost since 6 hellions quickly get the repairing scvs. But again, its diamond so the level of play is bad.. 2. I'm looking for examples of openers for 3 base marine tank allins in TvZ that neglect creep suppression early on (skip banshee, low number or no hellions) for more safety but dont delay third CC/double ebay too much and start tank production early so i have more for the 2/2 push. I've been dying (or getting crippled) to some 2 base Z pushes that hit before my siege mode is done so i'm wondering if i need a rearrangement or if it's a poor control/BO execution issue. Way i open (roughly) is: rax, CC, 2x gas, reactor hellion + TL on rax, CC, after 2 hellions swap factory for tanks and rax on reactor for 2x marines, double ebay. I don't really scv scout since people do all kinds of random stuff in diamond so seeing more gas getting mined can be literally anything. Makes it hard to read the aggression before it's on the way.. Not sure if i should skip the first 2 hellions and go straight for tank? Sometimes the hellions give me the info about aggression but it doesn't really help much. On the other hand having more hellions gives you the option to kite and makes it easier to land the third sooner.. Thanks! 1. Not really viable in TvT, if you want an all-in TvT, 1-1-1 is nice, especially so on certain maps like Antiga. 2. Bombers TvZ is perfect for you, Day9 done a daily on it. | ||
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darkphantom
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
On March 10 2013 23:22 Swordland wrote: Regarding proxy marauders, is it beneficial to do gas first? So I go 10 supply, then 12 gas and 13 rax? Shouldnt proxy marauder be rax first because you want to have a mara as soon as possible and mara is not gas intensive? Also, is it ok to have 2x proxy barracks? Or 1 constantly pumping marauders is enough? So, BO would be 10 SD 12 gas 13 proxy rax @100%rax, Tech Lab and shells @100%rax, start marauders, and OC 16 SD @100% shells, attack This sounds good? What about having 2 rax, will it delay a lot or will it be good? Gas first proxy marauder is really bad. 2 rax might be slightly viable tvp low level but awful tvt. | ||
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Swordland
232 Posts
On March 11 2013 06:53 KawaiiRice wrote: Gas first proxy marauder is really bad. 2 rax might be slightly viable tvp low level but awful tvt. Thank you KawaiiRice! So....1 rax is ideal, and rax first, not gas first. Other than that, is my BO ok? | ||
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monkh
United Kingdom568 Posts
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