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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
Vote Count s0lstice (3) Chromatically, Oberyn, Acrofales not voting (3) strongandbig, iamperfection, raynplikoneet s0lstice is set to be lynched. Deadline is in roughly 33 hours, at 05:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On August 08 2013 23:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude, you arent thinking the right way about it. Im saying that 3 our of our list in the game is town. Thats it. That shouldnt do anything to help you or hurt you from finding scum. I think koshi and Johnnywup top candidates for reasons already expressed by both dandel and myself. Yeah Onegu really needs to explain that bit. First giving out info is bad, then townread. you never mentioned me as a candidate before this post...wtf? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17959 Posts
On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote: This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of. Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Oats seems to have a townread on him but I haven't conversed with him much. Nothing alignment indicative anyway. Looking at that post though, it seems more aggressive towards Koshi than defensive towards Oats. Although the post itself does both, obviously. After the game we just played together, I can't say I blame him for not calling Koshi scum at this point. (Titanic Mafia) | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
My discussions with Dandel had me leaning town on him. Like I've been telling both Chrom and Dandel though, I really am not comfortable with Dandel as a lord until I am completely sure he is town. As scum, Dandel knows he will be caught. He will therefore have no qualms about using our house abilities (the KP, the one-shot HP check) in a way that is incriminating as he is going to be lynched or vigged anyway. The hypothetical I layed out was that he'd blow our HP check and shoot the towniest dude in the thread. These are things that would probably be traced back to him in the future, but again it's not gonna matter. Just a total waste of our first cycle abilities. At the time, I had to assume that house KP could even be strong enough to kill someone. So thats another strike. A typical scum player is not trying to be obv scum and therefore is unlikely to be so cavalier with these. The risk of scum Dandel trolling his way to the lynch block and me being wrong with my early town read made him unelectable to me for the first cycle. I pretty much thought that I was better suited. Koshi early on said he was gonna vote for me, but then retracted when he started his own campaign. Chrom preferred Dandel over me because Dandel has easy scum meta. This created an awkward situation. With Dandel refusing to vote me and vice versa, we went to Chrom. Chrom, at the time of my voting him, was pretty null. Our PM's were infrequent. In fact most of my time in PM land was spent having it out with Dandel. It was clear I wasn't going to be lord, so I had to choose between Dandel and Chrom. Hence Chrom. Chrom even if scum, would probably not raise the middle finger and KP who he wanted and blow our check. More likely, he would try to maneuver our KP to someone he wanted with discussion and leave the check alone. This is accountability, ladies and gentlemen. So yea, when it wasn't going to be me, I voted someone null over someone who I was leaning town on, because Dandel is a unique case. Bite me. Also, ask yourself if I was scum...would I be saying Dandel is town in my quest to seize our lordship? Why the hell wouldn't I just insinuate he is scum and discredit him that way. I could probably have recaptured Koshi this way, and then maybe Chrom for consolidation. This also puts me in basically zero danger. I could easily back off this no problem at a later time. I see Xatalos is wanting to lynch me again. Stop being bad. You wanna repeat PTP IV? Now, I'm looking at this: On August 08 2013 14:46 johnnywup wrote: why would he do that? that seems pretty anti-town to do. If there's a scum/3p goal to kill a single house (think of Robert Baratheon wanting to kill every last Targaryen) then this would make their job infinitely easier if they can figure out the house. I now realize that being elected Lord of a house can be a disadvantage as well as an advantage. It reveals what house you are. I thought that that would be anonymous but it looks like its otherwise. We want to give scum as little information as possible. I made the mistake in Night 0 of revealing my name, without realizing that there may be an assassin type of role. As long as there's no major disagreements within your house I think that it might be the best course of action to elect the same lord for every night if possible. This jumped out at me. It does not seem like a townie thing to think. Did anybody else have the thought 'don't reveal your housemates because someone may have a wincon to kill house X?' A closed set-up with so little known and this jumps immediately into his mind. It's unnatural and smacks of extra information. I want to know if Clarity has any scum reads. He was in thread for quite awhile before the PM conversation and just played traffic cop as far as I can tell. Oats, Dandel looking town. Unfortunately Xatalos too. Chrom has asked me some good probing questions in our more recent PMs, feels town. Dandel also lied about me not trying to figure out people's alignments within our house. I PMed him a few times about Koshi. He has summed up my thoughts about him so far. His lord campaign was very odd. So as of right now, I would lynch Johnny or Koshi. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Do I have any scumreads? No strong ones, Onegu probably my strongest. We'll see what Risen does when he comes back. You say Dandel looks town but his lord campaign was "odd" (what does that mean?) and he lied to you? Another question: Do you think the line you bolded makes sense to think of as scum? I definitely don't think that a 3p would talk about the idea of a 3p. I don't see how this line of thought would be more likely to come from scum than from town. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
Not the same alignment, but it reminds me of wave in les mis. I said koshis campaign was odd not dandels. Dandel lied to the thread when he said I was not goigoing after alignments in pms. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
I want to hear what other people think. Did anybody else think that when considering revealing our respective house lists? | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
And what thoughts are you talking about exactly? Just the speculating on a possible 3p wincon? Because if that's it then you're not saying anything. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: My discussions with Dandel had me leaning town on him. Like I've been telling both Chrom and Dandel though, I really am not comfortable with Dandel as a lord until I am completely sure he is town. As scum, Dandel knows he will be caught. He will therefore have no qualms about using our house abilities (the KP, the one-shot HP check) in a way that is incriminating as he is going to be lynched or vigged anyway. The hypothetical I layed out was that he'd blow our HP check and shoot the towniest dude in the thread. These are things that would probably be traced back to him in the future, but again it's not gonna matter. Just a total waste of our first cycle abilities. At the time, I had to assume that house KP could even be strong enough to kill someone. So thats another strike. A typical scum player is not trying to be obv scum and therefore is unlikely to be so cavalier with these. The risk of scum Dandel trolling his way to the lynch block and me being wrong with my early town read made him unelectable to me for the first cycle. Ok, you're leaning town on him, but your afraid of electing him because electing him will allow us to know for sure if he's scum? Is anyone else thinking this logic is dumb? Catching a guaranteed scum for giving mafia an extra KP and HP check is totally worth it. And you didn't even think that was likely. So... why not vote for him? + Show Spoiler + I just got caught up on the thread. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 09 2013 05:57 johnnywup wrote: i don't have any extra information and its the first thing that came to mind for a 3p wincon in a themed setup like this. robert barath trying to kill targs is like pretty big in lore so it came to mind pretty quickly. I posted the exact same thought in a PM to my housemates and none seemed to think it was scummy. So you were more worried about if they did find it scummy that if they did find it true/false? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17959 Posts
However, in public he seems overly paranoid about it; possibly because both Sharrant and I were immediately suspicious of his motives. He claimed to have never heard of evil magician assassins who use name magic to murder you in your sleep. The whole discussion played out in a way that I believe him. Now, this just plain doesn't jibe with the suspicions s0lstice is trying to mount against him. DI, Koshi, Chromatically: does s0lstice's explanation do justice to what happened in the confines of Storm's End? | ||
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