EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 46
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On August 09 2013 06:12 johnnywup wrote: i dunno what you mean in the 2nd half of that sentence but i wasnt worried whether or not they thought it was scummy, i'm just pointing out he's like the only one that's responded to that that thinks its scummy If i was to ask that question you did from my housemates, i would be more interested in if they think it´s true/false. However, when you point that out in thread (that you have discussed it) your conclusion is "they did not think it was scummy", rather than "they thought i was right/wrong". You are being overly defensive for no reason, why? | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
if anyone thinks its right or wrong then they have additional information. i was just considering the possibility. even i never really thought it was completely true, i was just considering it for the sake of argument that we don't want to give any information away to scum that they didn't already have. i don't like being accused of being scum loll | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
HP check this early on helps mafia more than it does help town. Mafia is in control of KP (besides house lords), if we reveal some house HP, mafia can direct their KP more accurately. As this is a KP/HP game i assume at least most of the people have more than 1 HP, and mafia has > 1 KP, probably even > 2 KP. I will use all my power to kill you all if you do that, you are scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On August 09 2013 06:20 johnnywup wrote: sharrant said that he liked that I was considering the possibility of roles that go after specific houses. no one said whether or not they thought that it was true or false. if anyone thinks its right or wrong then they have additional information. i was just considering the possibility. even i never really thought it was completely true, i was just considering it for the sake of argument that we don't want to give any information away to scum that they didn't already have. i don't like being accused of being scum loll So you thought that idea was good (obviously?), but did not really want to know more if people other than Sharrant thought you were right or wrong? If i have an idea i am usually really interested in knowing if my idea is good/bad, who supports it/who doesn´t etc. You just dropped the issue? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18108 Posts
On August 09 2013 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: On a sidenote. One of the houses is seriously considering using a HP chack this phase. HP check this early on helps mafia more than it does help town. Mafia is in control of KP (besides house lords), if we reveal some house HP, mafia can direct their KP more accurately. As this is a KP/HP game i assume at least most of the people have more than 1 HP, and mafia has > 1 KP, probably even > 2 KP. I will use all my power to kill you all if you do that, you are scum. Are you talking about me? Because then I urge you to reread the missive I sent you. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18108 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On August 09 2013 06:30 Acrofales wrote: Are you talking about me? Because then I urge you to reread the missive I sent you. Yes i am talking about you. You told me that it gives us better information on how to use our Lord KP. I disagree with that. We shoot the scummiest guy (if there are 2 before the end of D1) all, 6 KP is definitely enough to kill someone (i assume everyone other lords than iamp + me has 1 KP aswell?), and i would not gamble on shooting more than 1 people on N1. What do you gain if you get info that in house X people have 1,2,2,3 HP, what if the HP is 10,10,21,5? Explain please? | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why: 1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house. 2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start. 3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum. 4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time. 5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps. 6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful). 7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on. 8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum. 9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency. I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists: 1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18108 Posts
Are you upset because I am unwilling to disclose with you the way the Red Viper, Sharrant and myself came up with a way of potentially foiling a Blackfyre plot by using our life check magic? Well, that's unfortunate, because now I am DEFINITELY not telling you, because I am increasingly suspicious of you and your way of twisting and misrepresenting my words. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 09 2013 06:13 Acrofales wrote: I am going to step in to protect my vassal johnnywup. I initially suspected him because he yelled his true name in our dining hall as he entered Highgarden. It seemed naive at best, and fishing for others' role names at worst. Since then this has been clarified and I suspect it was just a naive gaff to gain our trust. However, in public he seems overly paranoid about it; possibly because both Sharrant and I were immediately suspicious of his motives. He claimed to have never heard of evil magician assassins who use name magic to murder you in your sleep. The whole discussion played out in a way that I believe him. Now, this just plain doesn't jibe with the suspicions s0lstice is trying to mount against him. DI, Koshi, Chromatically: does s0lstice's explanation do justice to what happened in the confines of Storm's End? Well it certainly bears resemblance to the nonsense he's been blathering so far, little as that helps. I am not sure what he means of me lying. I have not done such thing. Reads, he certainly has not given out any, try as he might make it sound like it. My inbox keeps feeling terribly devoid of them. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
On August 09 2013 06:37 Clarity_nl wrote: If you had made notes while reading the thread you should already know every house' list. Well, it was 25 pages, and I might have missed something. If it really is all public knowledge, can someone compile a list of the members of all the houses? I'll do it myself eventually, but I don't have unlimited time to play this game. And, no, you're right, I was not taking notes. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
House Tyrell: Kushm4sta johnnywup Sharrant Acrofales House Greyjoy raynpelikoneet FirmTofu Nachomamma8 Risen House Stark strongandbig Clarity_nl Oatsmaster ?? House Lannister iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni ?? House Baratheon Chromatically Koshi S0lstice Dandel Ion House Martell Oberyn jrkirby yamato77 Onegu which house is Vivax/Gumshoe in? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
House Tyrell: Kushm4sta johnnywup Sharrant Acrofales House Greyjoy raynpelikoneet FirmTofu Nachomamma8 Risen House Stark strongandbig Clarity_nl Oatsmaster Vivax House Lannister iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Gumshoe House Baratheon Chromatically Koshi S0lstice Dandel Ion House Martell Oberyn jrkirby yamato77 Onegu | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On August 09 2013 06:44 Acrofales wrote: I am not going to paraphrase my own missive, because that's just plain stupid, but what I don't get how you go from discussing the best use of our magics to "HOUSE TYRELL IS THREATENING TO USE THEM". Are you upset because I am unwilling to disclose with you the way the Red Viper, Sharrant and myself came up with a way of potentially foiling a Blackfyre plot by using our life check magic? Well, that's unfortunate, because now I am DEFINITELY not telling you, because I am increasingly suspicious of you and your way of twisting and misrepresenting my words. I do not want to discuss our "magic" usage because that does not help us find mafia. If you tell me how does that help us find mafia right now to check any of the houses HP´s, i´m all ears. | ||
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