Newbie Mini Mafia XLV - Page 41

On July 31 2013 20:14 Zyrre wrote:
Reading through filters this morning trying to make some sense of the DeusX->reps->Umasi/alakaslam exchanges.

reps:

This post seems to be very town at first to me, however, following this post is 2.5h of posts where suspicion is aimed at DeusX instead. Then reps decides anyway to post this:

If he was going to point by point defend himself, why not do it right away? Seems overly defensivve too me since people did not jump on the wagon with DeusX and instead was questioning him at the time.
Later, he posts this:

To me it seems Alakaslam was saying that there was evidence DeusX was scummy. Even if he misread this as there being evidence that he(reps) was scummy, why would he as a proclaimed newbie claim his role when there was even talk about how very situational it was in the pregame?
All this together seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best.

DeusX:
His aggresion so early might seem scummy, but I think his strategy if he was scum is terrible. Yes as pointed out you can be vocal scum, but not in the way he is doing it. You would need to be much more neutral but still post a lot. Going all out and be the first guy to accuse someone first day, when chances are we will accidentaly lynch a town anyway, just why? No reason at all to do this. The only reason to start a new lynch would be if a mafia was already targeted which wasnt the case.
In conclusion: he might be over-aggresive and his arguments may be weak, but not a mafia read from me so far.

Umasi/alakasam:
A bit hard to make sense of some of their chatter. However, just on the point they are also starting their own lynch and generally being friendly like that in the thread would make me lean town on them. I dont see why mafia would make such a strong connection between themselves for no reason (if one of them turns out mafia the other would be instantly lynched at next opportunity).
Conclusion: Pretty much neutral atm for me.

On July 31 2013 23:15 Zyrre wrote:


Reading that Umasi post I remember it stuck out to me as well, forgot to mention it in my previous post.
He did post this also however:

(later on he goes back to saying reps is confused townie again)

Asking reps to do some actual pro-town work there seems odd if he is indeed defending fellow scum, although I believe it was during his spam fest so maybe can't put too much weight on it.

I agree about a possible weak mafia connection there, and probably will be voting reps to lynch. I'll hold off voting until the other guys start posting again though.

On August 01 2013 04:31 Zyrre wrote:
Was just about the post the same thoughts holy. Noting every single thought in the thread is a terrible idea if you are town.
As you say holy, its a simple way for scum to fit in since you dont really have to commit to any single post.
But also its not very productive. If you have a thought you should first pursue it yourself and compare against filters/other posts/votes etc and develop it in to an idea or theory, thats the work you are supposed to do as town.
Spamming single thoughts and nitpicking on a single post is largely useless.

On August 01 2013 23:18 Zyrre wrote:
I had infli as pretty much neutral until his last post.

This is what he states when deciding who he will vote on:

- scam and reps are both useless at best, but reps posting is also potentially scummy
- he will vote for scam, but switch to reps if necessary(im assuming to avoid no lynch)

Seems odd to me to choose scam over reps when he says essentially the same thing about them except add some scum reads on reps.

Next on Umasi


Doesn't make sense at all, most are against reps atm and it would be so much easier as mafia just to go along and go "yep, hes scummy alright" then to be the most aggressive one.

On Alakaslam

This sounds quite random at first but reasoning is sound I think.
If Alakaslam is town he might want to give reps some pointers in the event reps is actually town.
If Alakaslam is mafia the only reason he would want to do this would be if reps was mafia, dont think he would establish that connection so publicly though when chances are very high reps will get lynched this night anyway.

In summation, leaning slightly towards mafia for infli right now.
However, if infli is mafia I would say there is a very strong chance that reps is it too. No real reason for infli NOT to vote reps if reps is town, its just so much easier for him to blend in that way.
So either way: ##vote reps)squishy


On to DeusX
Firstly he started up discussions by voting reps early on, I saw that as a town move. He might have been overly aggressive on him, but that seems to me as a bad scum move also.
His latest post makes me not worry about him so much. He didnt contribute much analysis himself, but gave a lot of sound town advice. For instance, lets keep analyzing all players even if we are gonna lynch reps since we can gain more info. Also pressuring someone is good way to get info and townies should be fearless.

So even if he is playing a kind of mafia leading the town, he is still giving good advice and not keeping everyone focused only on reps.

On July 31 2013 14:52 Alakaslam wrote:

Use the term "EBWOP" or Edited By Way Of Posting, and then just put your edit.

Will appreciate this. Also check your posts using the preview function, and KEEP YOUR BBCODE CLEAN!! {hand waves to FirmTofu with a tsundere-ish smile and facepalm}

And of course... IM BACK FOOS WASSUP

On July 31 2013 15:56 Alakaslam wrote:

Hey dude read up on mafia. There are some links in the OP our illustrious host compiled. Imma go ahead and be a hypocrite and tell u to read them. I don wanna see you quite this new whence u return, because it's getting WIFOM-ish.

Actually you are becoming a huge compilation of WIFOM hell for me, on the level of

Reps

Wat r u doin

Reps

Stahp

On August 01 2013 07:45 Alakaslam wrote:

O.O

Watching reps is like watching myself

See this is why I am reluctant to vote him.

Reps much of this straight up comes with experience. But believe me, the most important thing you can do is care 0% about staying alive and 100% about finding out who is scum and voting them immediately. This will be very hard.

Also, keep talking. The more you say about why you think what you do will be more likely to show those who see it your alignment. But read (NOT SKIM) those guides, they are actually really good. Heck I fail them often enough but who can remember 100% of what they read.

Just... If you're here ask questions and give answers, read filters and keep up on the thread. You seem to be doing ok but you are drawing conclusions exactly as I did back when.

BE CARELESS! You are town? Prove it with truth! Just spout honesty! But don't role claim unles you are vanilla town.

On August 02 2013 08:59 Alakaslam wrote:

This is weaker than I thought, but do not forget it. Regardless, reading the game I feel they are both town.

On August 02 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:

Although this is true in theory, the way they stuck their necks out looks town motivated to me. And flare wasn't with deus initially.

On August 01 2013 07:47 Alakaslam wrote:
On bandwagon ing: you have emphasis backwards. Not ppl who bandwagon are mafia; mafia tend to join bandwagons. I do too, as town! Just make sure you ACTUALLY agree with the wagon before voting.

On August 02 2013 01:12 Alakaslam wrote:

Holy flare you have caused me to expect better from you before this.

So bandwagoning isn't scummy anymore I read.

On August 02 2013 12:34 Nightcat99 wrote:



I am a little confused about this scenario. cause i am not seeing either oUmasi or gotard as scum and obviously not myself..... and the netural read on sc_am, i dont understand how any one can get a read on Sc-am with the limited amount htat he has posted.

On August 02 2013 04:16 Nightcat99 wrote:
and Umasi you better explain now, cause this is a super scummy move to switch on the last hour

On August 02 2013 04:18 Nightcat99 wrote:
If we get a no Lynch because you move your vote on the last minute, you and rep is both going to be voted as scum team.

On August 02 2013 04:22 Nightcat99 wrote:
If Umasi posted something like this 5 to 6 hour ahead i would have been happy to consider a switch , because rep although scummy is no way on top of my radar, and i have stated before that a scum will have a scum team with coach and there is no way they would play like this.

But this is too late, there is no switching at this point.

On August 01 2013 12:14 Nightcat99 wrote:
I guess every one is going to sleep, so i will leave this for every one to think about. Since rep's death is pretty secure.

Stim has not elaborate.

Infill needs to defend himself.

I am not happy with Gotard's reason to vote infill.

sc_a.M is lurking hard.

On August 01 2013 22:36 Nightcat99 wrote:
Thank you for the reply gotard, i am currently satisfy on your reasoning for the vote, i still dont think its strong enough but its fine for now.

I think we can drop the rep discussion , hes either a scum or the VT he claims , either way i wont feel bad lynching him. There is absolutely no reason to claim VT(looking at you slam)

Please explain why you decide to claim VT Slam.

Zyrre has been out for a while now, can i get your new input on infill and deux.

sc_a.M looks like hes going to get the Blazing hammer.

RDaneelOlivaw you have not post a single personal opinion, only agreeing and disagreeing with people's post is a scum move, please voice your opinion.

On August 02 2013 10:39 Nightcat99 wrote:
The thing is i through he was town too but no one can be sure, and there is no way to ensure a lynch on any one else. I know i might be stubborn but i just cant agree with a peaceful no lynch.

I will be honest through, i dont think Sc_am is scum at all. First of all, hes obviously lurking and not busy. In that case, hes scum team would pressure him to play and give advice. I think you are much likely to do something, if you are 2 other scum and a coach on another forum pressuring you. And his lack of motivation is a tell of a horrible town.

i need to form a opinion on scums through, i will go dive filter for a bit.

On August 02 2013 00:10 Nightcat99 wrote:



Rep voted on infil when hes about dead, you cant read into it too much. it might just be a play.

and i guess i will
##vote reps)squishy

On August 02 2013 04:22 Nightcat99 wrote:
If Umasi posted something like this 5 to 6 hour ahead i would have been happy to consider a switch , because rep although scummy is no way on top of my radar, and i have stated before that a scum will have a scum team with coach and there is no way they would play like this.

But this is too late, there is no switching at this point.

On August 02 2013 10:30 Nightcat99 wrote:
This is a very active night.

I want to point out that slam and umasi bounded too quickly, i am not saying any of you two is scum. What i am saying is that if one of you is scum, the other would never seen it coming and that would in turn confuse us. You two are not keeping an watchful eye on each other.

@Umasi that was a total dick move to switch last hour with no explination then afk, frankly at that hour since he claimed a VT and not a Blue, i would be happy to lynch him to test reaction.

On July 31 2013 11:55 Holyflare wrote:



My thoughts on reps are still undertemined, the posts Deus is referring to are generally all pre-game. IF anything reps has progressed the discussion of the town through this post:



That was actually a somewhat productive post. It got people talking, a pro-town move if any. He has mentioned being new once in this day so to call that into the open so soon is beyond me, I would have personally waited for another one or asked some leading questions.

On July 31 2013 12:25 Holyflare wrote:




I have seen reps post only a few times and so my overall suspicion of him is still undertermined, if you can make a call off of 2 posts then go ahead. His reply to Deus increased my suspicion but that only makes me wonder if he is truly just a newbie bad town or a scum, not for certain, hence undertermined.

His post asking about peoples views on lurkers is more productive in terms of getting the ball rolling than Deus' posts that Umasi has highlighted previously. However, I do not feel that talking about people's opinions on lurker votes was a good topic to get the ball rolling and so did not follow up on it.

Let me just reiterate this for you, I am not on the defence of anyone here, I am pointing out the facts of what is occurring.

On July 31 2013 22:54 Holyflare wrote:
On the reps/deus situation:

+ Show Spoiler +


I disagree that reps post seems townie at first, although I do agree with your later point on him trying to absolve himself after he was seemingly cleared makes him super scummy. I also think that Umasi has been somewhat linked to reps which may prove to be a possible mafia connection (I will explain further if you read down).

Deus' posts although pretty aggressive were in the interest of furthering discussion, however, he could just be forcing any old lynch just as equally; for now he seems to be a townie or a neutral, unlikely to be mafia in my opinion.


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+ Show Spoiler +

On the obvious Umasi/alakasam circle:

I'm not sure about these two, they have a strong connection yes but they also had that in the pre-game chatter. This can pose as a deceiving thing when it comes to determining who is town and who is scum. For now I'm not sure this link poses valuable information other than both of them haven't really contributed much analysis although they have posted a lot, which is a scummy move. They have also bandwagoned onto the Deus vote together which seems a bit abrupt.


There is however another circle that I'd like to point out for you:


This is the only thing Umasi has written on in length (other than the accusation on Deus) defending the person that was under direct scrutiny at the time. If this post contained similar content to his previous posts it wouldn't have raised suspicion, however, this is out of character for what he has been writing so far. His accusation of deus now leads me to believe that Umasi is in fact defending a fellow scum (reps), although this is purely circumstantial.


If anything I argue that reps would be a good lynch for the town progression to see his flip and piece together parts of the puzzle.


##vote reps)squishy

On August 01 2013 03:57 Holyflare wrote:



Town reads and scum reads are two totally different kettle of fish. If you have a solid scum read that scum is forced to behave more and more like a pro town or face the eventual lynch, this is 100% pro town as a mafia that acts pro town is more likely to slip up as he has information that we do not. A pro town mafia is better than a dodgy town especially on day 1.

As the game progresses you can garner information with your potential town reads, if you announce who your town reads are this early they will either be targets for the mafia to frame you as suspicious or narrow your circle of trust down and thus make it harder to progress with the elimination of scum.

On August 01 2013 08:50 Holyflare wrote:



You have not driven any of your insights into us at all so we cannot be certain whether you are just playing a bad town or not. The mafia meta video that you claimed to watch explains that you have to prove to town beyond all reasonable doubt that you are a townie otherwise you just become a bad person to read and can be scum or detremental to town. As we can afford to mislynch people a few times in a row it is often best to get rid of the people that would hinder you in the later stages of the game off early; lurkers, obvious scum, bad towns.


If you truly want to reconcile your town worthyness now I want you to go through every filter and point out to me who you think are the most suspicious people so far. I want you to quote your reasoning and explain logically your choices. Only then will I believe that lynching you MAY be the wrong idea. Click this for the list of player names - click each name for a filter of their typing only

On July 31 2013 12:05 DeusXmachina wrote:
Reps is in no serious danger. If he is town he should be able to defend himself. The discussion is opening up. We can look at several important factors:
1. Is anyone trying to defend reps?
2. Who is not posting their opinion?
3. What does reps have to say in his defense?
4. I am sure you guys have more to add.

Hopefully we can expose more than just reps intentions.

On July 31 2013 12:22 DeusXmachina wrote:
Umasi before I called out reps there was hardly any valuable information that we could use so far. Putting myself under so much attention is NOT a scum thing to do. Furthermore, my accusation of reps has prompted a lot of discussion. I agree my first posts could have been more meaningful, however that is hardly scum worthy. I even express my disdain of scum in my first post. Furthermore, why is fishing for responses a bad thing? It gets people talking that that is what we want. Finally, I was a little alarmed by Alakaslam announcing his role so quickly.

On August 01 2013 06:22 DeusXmachina wrote:
I am back. A lot has gone on, and there is a lot I want to talk about so this is going to be a long post. The focus of this post will still be on reps, however I wanted to address a couple things first.

Alakaslam votes me because of the Kenpachi rule. Lol. That is just stupid. I never attacked a VT claim. Asking if Alakaslam can be trusted because he claimed VT super early is hardly an attack.

There is some talk on people who are being neutral and others who are not contributing that much. Honestly, I think we should wait to target these people. If they are persistently neutral or lurking throughout multiple days then we have more reason to be suspicious. That being said, why would you even want to stay neutral? Being a vocal townie is not a bad thing. Just imagine if every legit townie was trying to be extremely pro town. Scum couldn't target one specific individual, and town would have a great basis for analyzing potential scum posts, i.e. a post that was trying to appear pro town.

Okay, I still want to focus on reps. If reps is scum and he gets lynched, WOOT good job townies. If reps is a bad townie and he gets lynched, WOOT good job townies. Has anyone actually disagreed that reps is either scum or a bad townie?



Honestly this didn't contribute much at all. In fact most of his posts are pointless. But here is what Interests me. Reps says he has been reading up on a few TL Mafia games and expresses his interest in non posters. He hasn't posted that much, at time he has been a complete lurker, and again non of his posts are actually that meaningful. For someone who has been reading TL Mafia games your doing a really shitty job so far reps, no offense. Furthermore, if he has been reading TL Mafia games why the hell does he appear so newbie still?

Evidence of pointless posts: (I am not going to quote them because there is a lot)
1. Welcome Nightcat you have missed just about nothing.
2. Yeah just use the edit button and that thing.
3. Quotes me and says, "Meaningless fluff is awesome! But I guess that is not something to do."
4. oh (are you kidding me reps....)
5. Quotes and then says, "Happy?" (seriously............)
6. sc_a.M has not posted since the game has started. RDaneelOlivaw posted one fluff since the game started.
7. A picture (my favorite)

Okay a lot of pointless posts there. He has not contributed much. That seems scummy to me.

Furthermore, his defense of my accusation was poor.



He doesn't even thwart any suspicion here, instead he actually claims his actions were scummy, which means that accusation was warranted.

Couple more things. Ill be brief.
Why would he vote Umasi? That makes little sense. He votes Umasi because Umasi came under recent suspicion. That seem like he is trying to blend in to me. Furthermore he presses his attack against Umasi, saying that anyone who defends him, like Umasi did, should appear suspicious? WAT? Yeah maybe if you are scum than anyone who defends you should appear suspicious. But if your townie why do you care? Furthermore, that is certanly not a reason to vote Umasi.

In conclusion, At best he is a bad townie and we should lynch him. However, he seems very scummy to me.

On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote:
Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing.



This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me.

Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions.

If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him.

I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above.

On August 02 2013 05:20 DeusXmachina wrote:
Well town we got what we wanted. Getting rid of reps is still a victory, just not as big as if he were scum.



I have a hunch that one of them is scum. I plan on spending a lot of time looking into those two.

On August 02 2013 16:03 DeusXmachina wrote:
Hey guys. Seems like a productive night phase so far. I would like to say briefly that I am surprised at how time consuming this game can be. It is hard to formulate a well thought out opinion on everyone. With that in mind I will start small.

Scam and RDO

There has been a lot of suspicion directed towards these two. Ill start with Scam. Is his hardcore lurking indicative of scum? No, I don't think so. I agree with Nightcat in this regard and have additional thoughts to add.



Can't agree with this more. Scum want to try and hide right? Well scam is not hiding that is for damn sure. His over the top lurking has put him in the spot light yet he doesn't seem to care. He only has a few posts. Seems to me like this is a town with lack of motivation. Furthermore, a vote to no-lynch is NOT indicative of scum. Scum know who their fellow scum are right. By process of elimination they know who is not scum. When it came down to lynching reps a scum would want to vote against him, because they know he is not scum. Boom! Scum vote to lynch reps and chalk it up as a small victory. Yet, scam voted a no-lynch. Why would he do that if he was scum?

There are a lot of differences between Scam and RDO. For starters RDO posts a lot more than Scam. Let me elaborate on some of the other differences and move my train of thought onto RDO. To me RDO seems to be scummy. He was lurking hard at the beginning of the game. When people became suspicious of RDO he kicked up his game and started posting a lot right? Well that is why I get a scummy read off of him. He definitely seems like he is trying to blend at this point. Furthermore, he definitely seems like he is jumping on the opportunity to defend himself. Granted that is what is being asked of him, by people like Slam, yet nevertheless he seems like he is aiming to clear his name.

This is a great example of that:



You could argue that RDO seems pro town as of late. He has posted about his scum suspicions. However, to me this seems like another attempt at blending in. To this I would simply ask, why was he not doing that before?

That concludes my suspicion of RDO. That is not enough to go on for now but I think it is a start. If anyone else wants to add to this, I want to hear what you have to say. A lot of us are suspicious of RDO at the moment so I think we should press the mater.

Final thoughts on some other players: I am okay with infii right now. I don't have a solid read on him either way. I would rather spend my efforts focusing on other people. Nightcat could definitely be scummy, although I can't say for sure yet. Above I agreed with what he had to say on Scam, but I won't let that in anyway cloud my opinion of him. A lot of you are looking into nightcat so I will try to help out.

There is definitely other noteworthy candidates at this point. Ill do my best to check into them all. If you guys have anything specific you would like me to address let me know. Ill be up for a little while longer.

On July 31 2013 07:06 Umasi wrote:
Also, here is what I know about the people in this game
StiM has variable activity levels and likes martyring for some reason, which I don't really like but whatever :3, he's normally more on the lurker side
Gotard is pretty scummy always forever and ever and ever, and doesn't post a lot.
Wham bam Alakaslam is super awesome, and posts a lot, but seems to be wrong a lot of the time like I am haha
Nightcat played the part of newb town really well last game, and honestly blew my mind he was the serial killer, so I don't know what his town playstyle is like.

On July 31 2013 07:06 Umasi wrote:
Also, here is what I know about the people in this game
StiM has variable activity levels and likes martyring for some reason, which I don't really like but whatever :3, he's normally more on the lurker side
Gotard is pretty scummy always forever and ever and ever, and doesn't post a lot.
Wham bam Alakaslam is super awesome, and posts a lot, but seems to be wrong a lot of the time like I am haha
Nightcat played the part of newb town really well last game, and honestly blew my mind he was the serial killer, so I don't know what his town playstyle is like.

On July 31 2013 12:14 Umasi wrote:


That said, I'm not a fan of this post at all, because it specifically says "let's get the ball rolling"
and then like, doesn't get the ball rolling? Don't command us to do what you want, try to start it up if you are legitimately invested in it.
Moreover,

You just like, lightly finger of suspicion alakaslam, post a lot of irrelevant fluff, and tell me you appreciate my enthusiasm.
What did any of that accomplish? It's done even less than reps, from what I can tell.

Why are you like, fishing for responses here?
All of this combined with your hard stance on someone so early that's really not backed up with a lot of facts makes me vote you. You're owning up to your thoughts, but your thoughts are over the top.
##VOTE DeusXmachina

On July 31 2013 12:45 Umasi wrote:
Why does it bug you, StiM?


I'm not sold either way on Holy, leaning town, I guess. Him being the first person to try to jump into dialogue with me was nice~because why would scum bother talking because no one else had at that point and they'd rather see discussion fall flat~
And although the things he's said specifically I can't read either way, like, whatever. He's posted a lot. I don't mind his passive defending of anyone either, I do that too.
So in the end, slightly townie.

On August 01 2013 10:06 Umasi wrote:
yeah, I think that infii is number two after reps atm.
I'd still consider deus depending on reps flip.

On August 01 2013 07:20 Umasi wrote:
##UNVOTE DEUS
alright, that case sold me on you not being scum atm.
Specifically, the way your brought up your points and your mentality is very pro-town, in a way that your earlier posts were not.
Reps is just so out there uninformed/bad/pick your word that I have a hard time believing he's scum, despite everything. Him randomly throwing a vote on me with THAT logic is just stupid.
Most of the things he does are stupid, not scum. I guess I don't mind lynching him, because some of it is scum.
Deus, what do you think about people that aren't reps? Specifically infii.
And reps, what do you think of people that aren't me? Specifically infii, again.


conceptually, I prefer to always lynch no matter what forever. Totally policy
"we could be lynching one of our own though"
well lynch the scummiest or second scummiest, there's always the possibility of lynching one of our own.

The thing is, if you take away the lynch, town has literally nothing concrete left. This IS our power in the game. This is all half of the people in this game can DO.
So by nature, voting to no lynch is wasting that power.

On August 01 2013 04:07 Umasi wrote:
I disagree, it's good to know who town reads are. I don't know how to convince you, but it's certainly more useful than looking at fucking scum teams not even a full 24 hours into the first day.

You shouldn't only have to work with your town reads, you should be working with EVERY TOWNIE. So having your town reads killed is not a huge friggen deal. A lot that people seem to misunderstand, and I don't necessarily know if I'm correct, but this is certainly how I operate, is that people are town until proven scum, not scum until proven town.
A natural byproduct of listing your scum reads is going to be listing your town reads, because if they aren't scum, THEY'RE TOWN.
~well you know until the serial killer but we don't talk about him.

Like, I guess the point of all this is, I really promote the way Alakaslam and I play, which is to keep a log of your thoughts like you have diarrhea of the brain. The more clear people are with what they're thinking, the better!
That said, reps, you never really listed scum reads (or town reads) did you, and then you pointed out lurkers, without saying anything about them, just like "dey lurkin"
I want to believe you're just an idiotic newbie townie man, I really REALLY do.
You are sure as shit are not making it easy though.

On August 02 2013 03:44 Umasi wrote:



That specific line helps a lot.

I want you to scum hunt reps, don't go back on your word here. Just because you're off my personal chopping block (dunno about everyone elses) doesn't mean you can go goof around again. This entire push feels wrong, because the tone of your typing feels like you're legitimately trying, and legitimately confused.
You've been a detriment to town, but if we can work through that, it may turn out better in the end, and I don't want to lynch you anymore.
I'd rather just lynch the scummiest, and you are no longer the scummiest.

I am going out to lunch in fifteen ish minutes, going to reread and decide who to vote on. I don't think reps is our lynch. That said, I do want to see a lynch through though.

##UNVOTE REPS

On August 02 2013 03:53 Umasi wrote:


Don't do thaaaaaaaaat. No lynching is stupid t.t
Also, don't preemptively martyr when it's the end of day one and you have a single vote on you. It's a far better idea to start scumhunting. We won't get clues from the nighttime, all we'll know is if there is a serial killer or not. The only revealing thing is the nightkill, but even then, what would you learn from that? Like, if deus died and flipped town. What happens then? Nothing is really revealed.
In fact, it might just be more confusing. No lynching is bad. We aren't random lynching, we're legitimately putting thought into who we're voting, that's the entire POINT.
I'll give you a small grace period as per reps, get your ass in gear, and by that I specifically mean go filter dive people and see what you can come up with.

This applies to you Rdaneel, don't just mildly comment on things, bring up things we haven't talked about and discuss it all, or discuss old things to death, as long as it's not about reps. We've beaten reps to death.

On August 02 2013 05:39 Umasi wrote:


No matter how you cut it, miss lynching is not a good thing. I don't even know why you CARE what I think about the miss lynch, and calling it a bad thing.
The reason I care about what your opinions on it are is because you post a meaningless statement that feels like you're trying to include yourself.

And deus, he did show motivation to improve, you actually responded to it yourself.

"this is a good start"
implying he'd started to improve.

The more you respond, the worse a feeling I get about you.

On August 02 2013 12:00 Umasi wrote:
tbth, I don't know what to think of gotard, since he's always kinda scummy to me, but never REALLY scummy. He goes through times of not scum and very scummy, but at the moment I'm leading only kinda scummy. I actually liked how he picked up on infiis posts, and I heavily agree with him on a lot of points. The way he preformed his pressure is the only issue, but I think he's done more for town than infii.

~I still don't know why slam and stim think infii is town, if you want to enlighten me, go for it, unless I missed a post, in which case, point it out to me~

my thoughts on alakaslam~
upon rereading him, he "felt town". It's hard to understand what he's saying a lot of the time, but I've kind of gotten the hang of it, I think. He has six pages of gameplay in his filter, and there's no reason for scum to be as active as he has been, and he's thrown himself around with reckless abandon. I'm willing to overlook him till later in the game, I don't think he's who we should target lynch wise.

On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote:
This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam.

reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis

infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia.