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The if I die post?
I'm honestly pretty confused and not too sure anymore. Lots of people like infii for town (and I STILL don't know why :<), and I've flipped opinions on deus a lot and no longer know what to think.
scam is who I'd default to in this case, because lurking. I think that Rdaneel is still slightly town after his talking during the night phase, and apparently we can expect more, so I'm looking forward to it. If it was just to get pressure off of him though, it would be pretty scummy.
Nightcat and StiM I get a general town vibe from, Nightcat a little bit less so, but the way StiM is playing feels familiar to the way he normally plays (and that might be me meta biasing myself a little bit). I haven't reread either of them.
The way holyflare is looking at things is pro-town, so I like him for town.
I still think that Gotard was pushing infii with legitimate points, and I might be meta-biasing again, and I'm trying not to :<
Slam is forever crazy, feels pretty town.
So in the end, I'd prefer people look at scam and rdaneel, and to not let deus get away with things, because his early aggression doesn't buy him as much free town cred as a lot of people think.
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Blazinghand
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Day 2
Things have only escalated since reps' untimely death via shark. Systems are failing to the office. It was inevitable that holyflare's computer go out. It's just sad that he happened to been in front of it when it exploded violently.
holyflare the Hapless Peon has been destroyed by shards of exploding monitor!
Welcome to Day 2! This Day ends in ~48 hours at Sunday, Aug 04 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 20:00 GMT (+00:00). With 10 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
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Good popcorn
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On August 01 2013 06:55 sc_a.M wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 06:22 DeusXmachina wrote:I am back. A lot has gone on, and there is a lot I want to talk about so this is going to be a long post. The focus of this post will still be on reps, however I wanted to address a couple things first. Alakaslam votes me because of the Kenpachi rule. Lol. That is just stupid. I never attacked a VT claim. Asking if Alakaslam can be trusted because he claimed VT super early is hardly an attack. There is some talk on people who are being neutral and others who are not contributing that much. Honestly, I think we should wait to target these people. If they are persistently neutral or lurking throughout multiple days then we have more reason to be suspicious. That being said, why would you even want to stay neutral? Being a vocal townie is not a bad thing. Just imagine if every legit townie was trying to be extremely pro town. Scum couldn't target one specific individual, and town would have a great basis for analyzing potential scum posts, i.e. a post that was trying to appear pro town. Okay, I still want to focus on reps. If reps is scum and he gets lynched, WOOT good job townies. If reps is a bad townie and he gets lynched, WOOT good job townies. Has anyone actually disagreed that reps is either scum or a bad townie? On July 31 2013 07:59 reps)squishy wrote:
So I have read a few TL Mafia games to try to get a grasp of the game. People love lynching people who don't post. What do you guys think of non-posters? Should we lynch them and hang them in the entrance of the town to let them all see that scums are not allowed here? Honestly this didn't contribute much at all. In fact most of his posts are pointless. But here is what Interests me. Reps says he has been reading up on a few TL Mafia games and expresses his interest in non posters. He hasn't posted that much, at time he has been a complete lurker, and again non of his posts are actually that meaningful. For someone who has been reading TL Mafia games your doing a really shitty job so far reps, no offense. Furthermore, if he has been reading TL Mafia games why the hell does he appear so newbie still? Evidence of pointless posts: (I am not going to quote them because there is a lot) 1. Welcome Nightcat you have missed just about nothing. 2. Yeah just use the edit button and that thing. 3. Quotes me and says, "Meaningless fluff is awesome! But I guess that is not something to do." 4. oh (are you kidding me reps....) 5. Quotes and then says, "Happy?" (seriously............) 6. sc_a.M has not posted since the game has started. RDaneelOlivaw posted one fluff since the game started. 7. A picture (my favorite) Okay a lot of pointless posts there. He has not contributed much. That seems scummy to me. Furthermore, his defense of my accusation was poor. On July 31 2013 14:48 reps)squishy wrote:
My response to skeptics.
He said he is a newbie multiple times!
Pff, oops I said I was a newbie to many times that does not decide what role I am.
He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that.
scroll up there is another post that I almost edited. Almost looks exactly the same scrubby mistake.
My mistakes have made me look pretty scummy. But assure me saying I was new was me being truthful. Me claiming I was a noob should not decide if I am scum or not. He doesn't even thwart any suspicion here, instead he actually claims his actions were scummy, which means that accusation was warranted. Couple more things. Ill be brief. Why would he vote Umasi? That makes little sense. He votes Umasi because Umasi came under recent suspicion. That seem like he is trying to blend in to me. Furthermore he presses his attack against Umasi, saying that anyone who defends him, like Umasi did, should appear suspicious? WAT? Yeah maybe if you are scum than anyone who defends you should appear suspicious. But if your townie why do you care? Furthermore, that is certanly not a reason to vote Umasi. In conclusion, At best he is a bad townie and we should lynch him. However, he seems very scummy to me. I don't think you're totally right on reps, somehow it is so that beeing a newby appears to be scummy. We're in the same boat, and I don't think we should gang up on the newst members. I don't understand how can vote on someone without the possibilty of evidence, it's just random. Perhaps he felt intimidated, I too hate the thought of beeing lead by a mafia friendly person.
Yeah, I want to get scam out of the way first. This post reads like he knew what was up with reps beforehand, he didn't actually hard defend his stance on reps, and he hasn't accused anyone of anything in any of his posts, where they're all slipped in. I'm going to be obvious and pressure him into doing things, and if he doesn't do good things, just lynch him. If we don't deal with him SOMETIME, but he keeps coming back to no lynch, it'll just be a hassle later on.
VOTE sc_a.M.
(gg holyflare)
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(there's really not much more to say about scam, it's nothing but non-contributions)
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is anyone around to talk to? :<
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yes Umasi how could you vote sc_am because he supported a no lynch, you were the one that switch last hour and almost ensure a no lynch
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i still havnt have time to read holy's post ya, crap that thing is long
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On August 03 2013 05:31 Umasi wrote:
is anyone around to talk to? :<
NO, THE INTERNATIONAL!
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Because he has posted three things over the course of the game.
His no lynch post is just shitty aside from the entire no lynch part of it, because he preemptively is like "I am gonna die" for no reason at all. His not posting is what's killing him.
Do you have a reason to think he isn't scum? There's no reason to not pressure him because he isn't even talking, so the best way to get him to start doing things is to start pressuring him :<
There is zero in there that is objectively good.
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Yeah, Umasi doesn't take kindly to bullshit.
He was super pissed at me (twice) when I voted myself.
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no you are right, i have no reason to think hes not scum, i have no reason to think any thing of him, if there is a situation where we dont have a good target , i would love to lynch him.
But the problem i have is your last minute switch, what convince you to switch out of rep, because you and i both no , there is no way to get a wagon on infil at that time.
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haha~the problem there is I committed a pretty awful act of bullshittery, so I'm forever hypocritical from now on
I had to go, as I mentioned, (which isn't a good reason at all), but that's how it is.
I was THAT sure that reps would be town that I was risking a no-lynch to keep him up. a lot of it is the timeframe when I wake up (I really had to slam out that night post(no pun intended)).
scams reasons for a no lynch were not something I could get on board with, at all, and nothing about it felt town. I CAN get on board with my reasons for a no-lynch, and that's the difference.
Has anyone explained why infii is town? I'm still not sold on him.
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But what information can we possibly get on a no lynch, you are sold hes a town, but so what, you cant be sure right.
And you know there is not enough time to get a lynch on any one else.
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I mean his vote were all over the place, he switched vote to slam on the last min because reason unknown to me....
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Nightcat, you are right, it was a totally shit move, I don't think I'm arguing that. I DID have reasons though, and that's what I've tried to communicate. I didn't realize it at the time (or I wouldn't have done it).
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Ok what was your reason the, other then that you feel strongly he is going to flip town.
I mean why do you feel so strongly hes going to flip town and why is infil a better lynch.
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Like, nothing that he'd done was actually scummy except for his claims of newbiness, his voting patterns were SUPER erratic and nonsensical, and when you looked at the whole picture, the entire thing felt too good to be true, when I got to the computer and caught up on the thread.
Basically, go read this page of his filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422313&user=reps)squishy¤tpage=2
it doesn't fit a scum mindset, he was actually trying to change the way he was playing through the course of it.
infii was a better target because he spent more time defending himself, the points brought up against him were strong and I agreed with them (go read gotards filter) (this also happens to be why holyflare lumped us together)
On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 04:54 sc_a.M wrote:
Hey guys!
In my opinion we should not kill anyone today but wait and let the investigators do the investigations. Perhaps there isn't even a SK and then everything would be fine! That sounds so much pro scum that it almost can't be true. Please clarify your post if you are town. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 04:54 Holyflare wrote:On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. This is his only noteworthy contribution so far, it is weak at best and is somewhere on my radar, however, it is more contribution than others have put forward. It is hard to get a read on him and I'd like some more indepth analysis from him before I make my decision. I am also very interested to hear from Deus right now on his opinion of things. I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?)
I hated that post specifically, his justification for not doing analysis at all, and his entrance with a list that was super wishy washy, and he called me scummy for things that were pro-town, and that elicited a
"uuuuuuuuh dude?" kind of response. It didn't feel like he was a confused townie, it felt like he was looking for something to say about me that made me scummy. The reaction to that post might have been a little omgus? I don't really think so though. He was obnoxious and confrontational to gotards legitimate points, and it felt like he was sidestepping suspicion.
I still think that he's scummy, but StiM is POSITIVE he's town, and I think StiM is town. Holyflare thought he was town (and holyflare is obviously one of the two towniest players (the other is reps))
I still haven't seen reasons that he's town, and I still want them.
didn't format it super clearly, sorry =/
Basically reps didn't fit a scum mindset with the second page of his filter, in my experience he would have just gone quiet, he struggled a lot and was very present.
infii was a better target because he entered with a stupid list filled with baseless reasons for reads, was very neutral himself, and responded in ways that seemed like he was trying to defend himself, and justified his no posting with ridiculous reasons.
infii is still a good target imo, and I'm still waiting for someone to explain why he's town that isn't "I just think he's town"
deus, who are you going to focus on currently?
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*EBWOP Those are in no particular order
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