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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
I find THAT a bit suspicious. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On September 06 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Everyone shut up about Ottoxlol and let him cool down. There are much better targets, i.e. people who lurked the whole time after dropping their singular vote. I.e. DYH. And that maverick guy comes to mind. Fact is (most likely) that scum got caught with their pants down and panicked. You can probably pick off some scum from the voting frenzy after Palmar's announcement. Then it would be incredibly uncomfortable to start talking about scum buddy Mattchew, so you do next best thing, which is lurk. On September 06 2012 07:54 BlackMamba24 wrote: sloOsh says people who dropped a vote and then lurked are scum. That's exactly what he did. Ottoxlol is indefensible. Why are people still talking about Maverick? My attack on him was a misunderstanding, pay attention. I voted before the announcement. Furthermore, you would notice that DYH also voted before announcement yet I think him a good target as well. I admit not reading clearly after the frenzy because it looks like a big pile of nothingness. Like, I think Ottoxlol is just really ignorant townie and people just getting upset because he is stubborn, and then scum just lurk or join in critiquing him. | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
On September 06 2012 07:51 BlackMamba24 wrote: You'll find most of the scum team in these three groups. 1. People who went actively or softly against the Mattchew lynch: Ottoxlol/Gravan 2. People who came in after Palmar confirmed it and made fluff posts 3. At least one active person, probably Bill Murray. He's seemed to focus a lot on people like MiltonKram/Hapahauli neither of whom are scummy at all and meanwhile his rhetoric/language seems very much an attempt to buddy up with me or other people. "Well that settles it...##Vote: Mattchew /disappear from thread" Ottoxlol is scum. If he isn't, he needs to read Ver's guide 100 times before he signs up for another game. He didn't present an alternate target. His only clear motivation was to defend Mattchew NOT to lynch scum. He says Hapa and Toad tried to silence him and lied, but he never pushed either of them as a lynch target. Worthless vote on Toad who isn't even remotely scummy. Vig's absolutely hit this guy tonight. This is the only time you're gonna get general reads because I could die tonight. Town players, serious scumhunters, take another look at sloOsh and Shady Sands. sloOsh was absent for the majority of the thread, asking a lot of questions in the beginning (not alignment indicative in and of itself, scum do it for cred town do it to pressure) and being very very invested in everyones opinions, disappearing when mattchew is 100% getting lynched, then pops up at night "Hey guys who do we kill next?" That's scum behavior through and through. Shady Sands was far more FARRRR more active in Death Note Mafia. I think Assassins should hit both of these targets tonight because I believe them to be either black or red. If you're unsure if someone is scum/assassin but have good reason to think they are scum, broadcast their case as an assassin so that assassins will hit the scum at night and help us win faster. I'm gonna read over Bill Murray's filter a couple times and doublecheck everything since I don't want to make the same mistake I made with GoodKarma again and if something comes of it, I will post a case just before the day comes. Or before I go to bed. You arent even aware of the rules. No assassin would shoot scum, they investigate first. And i have to read guides :D Why am I playing bad when you don't get the simplest argument I put forward? Or my explanation of my actions. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
yeah, i was wrong about assassins, i messed up thinking they were like ninjas from other games, i rarely read the full setup of any game im in because the setup/mechanics is always the least important part of any given game so i just skim them @sloOsh voting before the announcement means nothing. anyone who was scum with mattchew would know it was only a matter of time before palmar confirmed the nosy neighbor stuff to other people so that isn't gonna buy anyone town cred with me at least | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
First of all, you post this: On September 04 2012 23:52 Maverick32x wrote: I voted for Matt due to the lying- but I would be curious to hear if he has a defense of some kind?? On September 05 2012 00:41 Maverick32x wrote: Well, I must of skimmed past the FoS on me from Bill Murray, so I'll weigh in a bit. The reason I was hesitant to jump on Matt was because 'bad play' doesn't equal Scum play. And our goal is to hunt Scum, not hunt bad players. That being said, lying goes a bit beyond 'bad' and starts to seem more scummy. @Broodking- I re-read your post like 10 times and I have no idea what point you're trying to make... These seem like soft-defending attempts on your scum buddy. You are on the same train as Graven, you figured out it wasn't a good idea to defend him and backed off. But these arguments are weak, if I want to judge someone strictly on defending a now-confirmed scum, then I wouldn't bother with anyone else other than Ox. However: You DON'T SCUMHUNT! This is a huge red flag to me.... how is that ONLY something that scum does? I agree with everything else you've written.. but using those sort of generalizations really makes me suspicious. So now you say that you have a huge red flag and it really makes you suspicious. Yet, you don't make a single post later on, to anyone else. You just seemingly forget all about s&b and the huge red flag you have on him. If you were townie I'm sure you would be more focused into attacking someone you have a huge red flag on than on defending yourself. You show more interest in defending yourself than in making cases and scumhunting. And thus, your first non-casual FOS: ##FOS Maverick | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 06 2012 08:01 Maverick32x wrote: Why am I being casually FoS'ed? I don't think I've ever seen a solid case against me, but I keep seeing people just drop my name into the list as an add-on without any reason? I find THAT a bit suspicious. because scum are parroting Bill Murray who started looking at you after I FoS'd you but then I retracted it and they're not paying enough attention to have caught up to that fact yet BM retracted it as well I think SloOsh might be ninja actually because it would be really really fucking weird for scum to say that people who dropped a vote and then left are scum despite having done the exact thing themselves. in fact, i would figure scum to at least come in after palmar and make some half assed attempt at looking town ninjas are probably paying the least attention to the game out of everybody because their win condition is so narrow so that would explain a lot | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On September 06 2012 07:21 Z-BosoN wrote: Toad has it more or less correct here:@austin No he didn't... he still thinks Toad is scum and still insists that matt is not. On September 06 2012 07:25 Toadesstern wrote: I don't mean that he realized it was a bad idea and then stopped. I mean he realized it was a bad idea, but realized that stopping would be even worse, and so had to own it and just push forward.he's saying something along the lines of: 1) Ottox thought he can defend Matt 2) Ottox realized that's not going to work 3) A buddy of his told him "dude you can't just back down like nothing happened. You've got to roll with it now" 4) That's the reason he's trolling like this. He's not just taking a stance and not listening to everyone else. He's started to be actively disruptive and insulting - "go read the thread," "we're speaking different languages," etc. That also pushes me towards believing that he's just putting on a show here, because at some point you'd give up and slink into the shadows if you thought A and everyone else thought B and told you A was silly. Instead, he's gotten very hostile and disruptive. Done with that for now though. On September 06 2012 07:21 Bill Murray wrote: Do me a favor, and go read Gravan's filter as if he were a scum idiot This is, to some extent, a dumb exercise. 2.5 quotes in a specific light. If I read them as him being really new scum and going off on his own, then he looks scummy. Lots of apologies in post 1. Weird conclusion and logic about matt being an assassin, weird note that matt "clearly likes to be an active player" (This smells horrible btw, since Matt is known for NOT being active while scum, if Gravan knew Matt well I would really, really hate this sentence because it's trying to plant this seed in your mind that he's active, therefore, town). We HAVE to lynch him. Post 3 immediately pulls back from the assassin conclusion HARD, wants to stay away from having to defend his assassin idea any more "I'm done on the whole Matt issue" = don't want to get caught further. But I'm having trouble with the timing of it all, and it's one reason I'm not too convinced about scum Gravan. Matt claims nosy neighbor at 9:12 TL time, 9/4 Palmar confirms nosy neighbors are not self-aware at 18:17 TL time, 9/4 Gravan comes in with his passive post at 5:41, 9/5 Gravan starts talking about Matt and the assassin stuff at 9:38, 9/5 That bugs me. If Gravan is scum, then either he posted in thread without checking in QT, or checked QT before posting in thread. If he checked it, there's NO WAY that he wrote that crap. Right? No way do you limp into thread 20 hours after your scumbuddy got caught and 11 hours after it was confirmed he was caught and go "Hey guys, sorry." Then ESPECIALLY NO WAY do you wait 4 hours after that post and go "Okay I think he's an assassin." Right? And if he didn't check QT, he came back, posted that bad post, then had 4 hours. I'm guessing in that time he would have checked QT while reading thread, and same thing...you don't get that next post. I'll look more at who was coaching him and the timing on it all...but I'm having trouble with scum lining up 3 separate plays in having some scum just vote mattchew and not put up a fight, one guy get stuck having to put up a losing fight, and then one guy who gets TOLD (because I don't think it's possible he didn't check QT if he were scum before that assassin post) to go call matt an assassin? Isn't mafia just letting matt flip at that point? I have serious misgivings there, although I'll admit it's ... not really related to Gravan's filter. But the timing is off for me to get a strong scum read on Gravan. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 06 2012 08:01 Maverick32x wrote: Weird, I see what you mean, and I agree. It´s a bad idea to tag you on as a regular suspect at the end of a scumlist. You deserve a top position for your first post on Matt before the Palmar confirmation. That´s a top-grade wishy-washy chainsaw-defence scum post. Why am I being casually FoS'ed? I don't think I've ever seen a solid case against me, but I keep seeing people just drop my name into the list as an add-on without any reason? I find THAT a bit suspicious. On September 04 2012 13:17 Maverick32x wrote: Hey guys- got a chance to catch up and I have a couple thoughts. First- Not totally comfortable voting Mattchew at this point.. I understand the potential for lying about the role claim.. and I'm not a big fan of role claiming in general... HOWEVER- I'd like to reiterate BlackMamba's post that said something to the tune of "ITT- Townies arguing with Townies" because I find that people are so quick to blame each other for stupid stuff that we end up wasting the first couple days with literally zero reason for voting someone besides "They drew a picture".... That being said- I'd like to draw a little bit of attention to the first voter for whom I feel like I can make an actual observation on- Toadesstern. The reason I want to focus on that is just because of the speed at which he strikes out just makes me wonder why that's beneficial from a town perspective? And I'm just wondering if he just wanted to try to promote chaos right away?? Also- consistently attacking other posters seems to be a trend.... My reads: Maverick32x (Scum) Everyone else (Null) | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On September 06 2012 08:21 BlackMamba24 wrote: why does everyone suddenly think ottoxlol is town Discussion regarding him is pointless by now. Does not mean we think he's town. Right now I think the town focus should be to seek a stronger lynch candidate and not let discussion die. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On September 06 2012 08:26 BlackMamba24 wrote: ottoxlol is the strongest lynch candidate Yup. And thus we shouldn't try to find a stronger one? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On September 06 2012 08:26 Z-BosoN wrote: Discussion regarding him is pointless by now. Does not mean we think he's town. Right now I think the town focus should be to seek a stronger lynch candidate and not let discussion die. tl;dr: don't feed the troll? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 06 2012 08:24 BlackMamba24 wrote: seriously, vigilantes need to kill ottox the dude is 100% scum please don't go retard-mode and think he's town over some wifom I'm having second thoughts about ottox. He reads to me like a horrendously deluded townie. Think about it - he hard defends Mattchew. That's absurd from a scum perspective - especially AFTER Mattchew was confirmed. It doesn't read like ottox really was playing with the extra information (knowing allignments), he would have STFU long ago. Combined with the fact that he seems genuinely upset and has been pretty active, I'm going to retract my suspicions on him. I think he's a bad bad bad townie. I'd much rather vigi-shot MiltonKram at this point, I'm wondering why you thought he wasn't scummy in your earlier post after the lynch. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Having him pushed for a mislynch however is way worse than having him die because it wastes a complete cycle if he really flips green. So yeah, if you're a town-vig feel free to shoot him. I'm feeling somewhat uneasy about most of the vets. All of them have their minor issues except for BC right now. BM looks a little to opportunistic and I can't stop thinking that he's buddying me. Foru's posting a little to cautios for my taste Dr.H's posting feels just off. Can't really put my finger on it though. Like that post when he asked BC wether or not he understood why he didn't trust BC. That probably was the most odd post of the vets I've seen this game. However, those are all very minor things not worth a damn on their own and frankly I doubt that more than one of them is going to flip mafia. I guess you could call this a "don't treat them as town warning" although I don't want them to be shot. Just pay attention in case I'm dead by tomorrow. If either BC or I end up dead tonight something's wrong with our medics or we don't have medics lol. Watchers are, as already mentioned, also incredible good for us as we're unlikely to be visited by something like town trackers / vigs / mad hatters. So if someone visits us and we end up being roleblocked or shot that's Jackpot for the watcher. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On September 06 2012 08:21 BlackMamba24 wrote: I think the reasoning goes "Too obnoxious to be scum". why does everyone suddenly think ottoxlol is town Why do you think he´s scum? | ||
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