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On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote:
ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now
yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment
possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him
On September 06 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote:
If Gravan gets vigged (lord willing) and flips scum, do you see any conclusions we can draw from it? Yes, that the scum team is trolling, because that would mean that they've all dun goofed hard.
If matt claimed nosy neighbor AND ottoxlol defended him like he did AND gravan didn't check QT or nobody put something in QT saying "EVERYONE SHUT UP AND VOTE MATT," then I have a hard time believing there's a ... scum leader? I assume some of the players in this game have played real nice scum games, where they sort of orchestrated everyone's moves. If Ottoxlol and Gravan are both scum, then I have a difficult time believing that scum has such a player. At the very least that guy should be running damage control after Matt and ottoxlol make themselves obvious.
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Toad - How am I being "opportunistic"?
I created the 2nd surge in getting mattchew lynched, as SOON AS I CAME TO THE THREAD AND READ HIM IN FILTER
notice how I went from omgusing Doyouhas, simply because he voted for me, to being like WHOAH MATT SLIPPED in like 5 minutes?
Mattchew said "BM is town". Scum typically will do that. Many people have said I'm clear town because of that. You seem to be asking for a doctor (directing the doc is pretty scummy btw) for you or BC, but spreading shit on me. Why? You want me to die tonight?
You casting suspicion on me doesn't detract from me thinking you're pro-town, however, as you're just being illogical.
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On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote:
ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now
yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment
possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him
For emphasis:
pro-town... regardless of alignment
You serious?
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On September 06 2012 08:32 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote:
ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now
yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment
possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote:
If Gravan gets vigged (lord willing) and flips scum, do you see any conclusions we can draw from it? Yes, that the scum team is trolling, because that would mean that they've all dun goofed hard. If matt claimed nosy neighbor AND ottoxlol defended him like he did AND gravan didn't check QT or nobody put something in QT saying "EVERYONE SHUT UP AND VOTE MATT," then I have a hard time believing there's a ... scum leader? I assume some of the players in this game have played real nice scum games, where they sort of orchestrated everyone's moves. If Ottoxlol and Gravan are both scum, then I have a difficult time believing that scum has such a player. At the very least that guy should be running damage control after Matt and ottoxlol make themselves obvious.
if their "leader" is someone who is really into policy like Forumite or Toad then I could see a breakdown like this
Without an overseer, you cannot see Dark Templar. Capiche?
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EBWOP shouldn't watch TV while posting 8(
EBWOP within spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +On September 06 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote:
Btw I'd agree Ottox really has to die. Even if he's town he's probably the most anti-town player in here. He'll continue derailing the thread and he's either a mafia (in which case lynching / seeing him dead is a good thing, duh) or he's someone who will be pushed for a mislynch.
Having him pushed for a mislynch however is way worse than having him die due to a vig because it wastes a complete cycle if he really flips green. So yeah, if you're a town-vig feel free to shoot him.
I'm feeling somewhat uneasy about most of the vets. All of them have their minor issues except for BC right now.
BM looks a little to opportunistic and I can't stop thinking that he's buddying me.
Foru's posting a little to cautios for my taste
Dr.H's posting feels just off. Can't really put my finger on it though. Like that post when he asked BC wether or not he understood why he didn't trust BC. That probably was the most odd post of the vets I've seen this game.
However, those are all very minor things not worth a damn on their own and frankly I doubt that more than one of them is going to flip mafia. I guess you could call this a "don't treat them as town warning" although I don't want them to be shot. Just pay attention in case I'm dead by tomorrow.
If either BC or I end up dead tonight something's wrong with our medics or we don't have medics lol.
Watchers are, as already mentioned, also incredible good for us as we're unlikely to be visited by something like town trackers / vigs / mad hatters. So if someone visits us and we end up being roleblocked or shot that's Jackpot for the watcher.
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On September 06 2012 08:33 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote:
ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now
yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment
possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him For emphasis: pro-town... regardless of alignmentYou serious?
Yep. I'm not blessed with a scum list, so until I see someone slip up, I'll be scumhunting.
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On September 06 2012 08:33 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 08:27 Bill Murray wrote:
ohhhh i get the bm/bm/bc thing now
yeah we're the 3 most obvious pro-town... regardless of alignment
possibly toad or even hapahauli... austinmcc is very pro-town as well, but i'd like to see more one liners from him For emphasis: pro-town... regardless of alignmentYou serious? Step 1: Be pro-town
Step 2: Gain some trust
Step 3: Create confusion
If scum is going to mess with town, they HAVE to look pro-town early. Nobody is going to listen to someone that's really scummy, and that makes it too difficult to push town where you want them.
Perhaps especially true where a teammate slips so early, scum has to try and gain SOME kind of control.
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 06 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote:
Btw I'd agree Ottox really has to die. Even if he's town he's probably the most anti-town player in here. He'll continue derailing the thread and he's either a mafia (in which case lynching / seeing him dead is a good thing, duh) or he's someone who will be pushed for a mislynch.
Having him pushed for a mislynch however is way worse than having him die due to a vig because it wastes a complete cycle if he really flips green. So yeah, if you're a town-vig feel free to shoot him.
I'm feeling somewhat uneasy about most of the vets. All of them have their minor issues except for BC right now.
BM looks a little to opportunistic and I can't stop thinking that he's buddying me.
Foru's posting a little to cautios for my taste
Dr.H's posting feels just off. Can't really put my finger on it though. Like that post when he asked BC wether or not he understood why he didn't trust BC. That probably was the most odd post of the vets I've seen this game.
However, those are all very minor things not worth a damn on their own and frankly I doubt that more than one of them is going to flip mafia. I guess you could call this a "don't treat them as town warning" although I don't want them to be shot. Just pay attention in case I'm dead by tomorrow.
If either BC or I end up dead tonight something's wrong with our medics or we don't have medics lol.
Watchers are, as already mentioned, also incredible good for us as we're unlikely to be visited by something like town trackers / vigs / mad hatters. So if someone visits us and we end up being roleblocked or shot that's Jackpot for the watcher. On September 06 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote:
Btw I'd agree Ottox really has to die. Even if he's town he's probably the most anti-town player in here. He'll continue derailing the thread and mafia is he's either a mafia (in which case lynching seeing him dead is a good thing, duh) or he's someone who will be pushed for a mislynch.
Having him pushed for a mislynch however is way worse than having him die because it wastes a complete cycle if he really flips green. So yeah, if you're a town-vig feel free to shoot him.
I'm feeling somewhat uneasy about most of the vets. All of them have their minor issues except for BC right now.
BM looks a little to opportunistic and I can't stop thinking that he's buddying me.
Foru's posting a little to cautios for my taste
Dr.H's posting feels just off. Can't really put my finger on it though. Like that post when he asked BC wether or not he understood why he didn't trust BC. That probably was the most odd post of the vets I've seen this game.
However, those are all very minor things not worth a damn on their own and frankly I doubt that more than one of them is going to flip mafia. I guess you could call this a "don't treat them as town warning" although I don't want them to be shot. Just pay attention in case I'm dead by tomorrow.
If either BC or I end up dead tonight something's wrong with our medics or we don't have medics lol.
Watchers are, as already mentioned, also incredible good for us as we're unlikely to be visited by something like town trackers / vigs / mad hatters. So if someone visits us and we end up being roleblocked or shot that's Jackpot for the watcher.
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"and mafia is " why did you feel the need to add that, toad? wtf?
you also admit ottoxlol is town
you've gone from town to leaning scum in my mind reaaaalllly fast
if you need punctuation there, perhaps you should try EBWOP again.
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then you take out the phrase "to a vig" in relation to ottoxlol dying... what is wrong with you?
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On September 06 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote:
Ottox you care to make a top 3 scumread like I have? sorry to say you need vigged, but it'd be better if you would stop posting, or actually.. you know... do some work by reading filters and making logical cases ...wow this looks like coaching. I see... I see... maybe I should ease up on my suspicion of Forumite.
Scum could easily just be playing the lurker game this game, but if that's the case, let 'em sit back while players like BC and Toad get confirmed. Toad is scum. Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion. I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them
See I am not sure if anyone else caught this as I am still reading / catching up but no where in the OP does it tell me that I can see how many red's there are. As in town doesn't know how big the mafia team is.
By telling us that happa + toad are defending matt and the other two are lurkers means you KNOW THERE ARE 5.
So, I say we off you next.
If Palmar said the exact scum team numbers somewhere I have missed I apologize for my outburst and will find other people to hang.
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nevermind. you end the sentence with a vig remark either way... still... that was an irrelevant edit
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On September 06 2012 08:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 06 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote:
Ottox you care to make a top 3 scumread like I have? sorry to say you need vigged, but it'd be better if you would stop posting, or actually.. you know... do some work by reading filters and making logical cases ...wow this looks like coaching. I see... I see... maybe I should ease up on my suspicion of Forumite.
Scum could easily just be playing the lurker game this game, but if that's the case, let 'em sit back while players like BC and Toad get confirmed. Toad is scum. Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion. I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them See I am not sure if anyone else caught this as I am still reading / catching up but no where in the OP does it tell me that I can see how many red's there are. As in town doesn't know how big the mafia team is. By telling us that happa + toad are defending matt and the other two are lurkers means you KNOW THERE ARE 5. So, I say we off you next. If Palmar said the exact scum team numbers somewhere I have missed I apologize for my outburst and will find other people to hang.
i thought there would be six
him saying toad IS mafia makes me think he isn't lying about that, especially with toad's recent EBWOP that looks like scum
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On September 06 2012 08:37 Bill Murray wrote:
"and mafia is " why did you feel the need to add that, toad? wtf?
you also admit ottoxlol is town
you've gone from town to leaning scum in my mind reaaaalllly fast
if you need punctuation there, perhaps you should try EBWOP again.
copy & paste. I hade it the other way around when I wanted to post it and changed it to the that clusterfuck with gosu c&p 
The original would have been something along the lines of "he either is town and mafia is going to push him for a mislynch and noone's ever going to analyze that as everyone's going to agree that he has to die, or he's a mafia and and has to die".
That's why the "and mafia is" was in front there. Figured I needed to shorten it a little and made it the other way around because clearly people should be still smart enough to read that much out of it without me pointing their noses at it.
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Regardless, Toad just majorly backtracked and EBWOPed because he called ottoxlol town and encouraged a vig... he's lying, and nervous about it, imo. I feel like he knows that ottoxlol would need a vig... toad has slipped up quite a bit, but i'm not 100% on him.
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On September 06 2012 08:41 Bill Murray wrote:
Regardless, Toad just majorly backtracked and EBWOPed because he called ottoxlol town and encouraged a vig... he's lying, and nervous about it, imo. I feel like he knows that ottoxlol would need a vig... toad has slipped up quite a bit, but i'm not 100% on him.
no I did not backtrack. I said he's either mafia or he's town and in both cases he needs to die given the situation.
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Vig ottoxlol
I provided more reasoning than anybody regarding Mattchew and even reposted once or twice so he could see it but he continues to ignore all argument/reasoning and repeat the same lie that nobody ever explained why they voted for Mattchew, no one ever explained why he is scummy besides that he lied, etc. all untrue false bullshit that can be easily demonstrated
Let's say you are town adn you think town is about to mislynch. What do you do?
A) Repeat the same arguments, when you get answers for your questions, ignore them and attack/insult people responding to you. Vote for someone else but never really push the case. When the person flips scum continue to act as though your arguments were brilliant somehow even though you are now objectively wrong about everything. Attack everyone voting for this player.
B) Explain why you think they are innocent. Find someone you think is scum and push them as much as you can. Listen to and consider the responses to your questions about the Mattchew lynch. After the lynch, try to see where your argument went wrong and reconsider your point of view.
Yeah town players can be bad. They can be assholes. But there are clear scum motivations and tells in ottox's behavior.
1) Defends only by assaulting and attacking other players
2) Avoids real argument/discussion by ignoring other peoples posts, misrepresenting them (for instance, saying I never provided reasons for my vote when I was the first to do that) and insulting others.
3) Doesn't push an alternate case with any commitment.
4) Behavior/arguments have a clear conclusion that was determined beforehand and will never change. Suggests that he has objective knowledge of something or a clear agenda.
There you go. That's enough. If Ottoxlol is not hit by a vigilante tonight which he should be, he is the absolute best lynch target for tomorrow. Period.
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On September 06 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote:
Btw I'd agree Ottox really has to die. Even if he's town he's probably the most anti-town player in here. He'll continue derailing the thread and mafia is he's either a mafia (in which case lynching seeing him dead is a good thing, duh) or he's someone who will be pushed for a mislynch.
Having him pushed for a mislynch however is way worse than having him die because it wastes a complete cycle if he really flips green. So yeah, if you're a town-vig feel free to shoot him.
I'm feeling somewhat uneasy about most of the vets. All of them have their minor issues except for BC right now.
BM looks a little to opportunistic and I can't stop thinking that he's buddying me.
Foru's posting a little to cautios for my taste
Dr.H's posting feels just off. Can't really put my finger on it though. Like that post when he asked BC wether or not he understood why he didn't trust BC. That probably was the most odd post of the vets I've seen this game.
However, those are all very minor things not worth a damn on their own and frankly I doubt that more than one of them is going to flip mafia. I guess you could call this a "don't treat them as town warning" although I don't want them to be shot. Just pay attention in case I'm dead by tomorrow.
If either BC or I end up dead tonight something's wrong with our medics or we don't have medics lol.
Watchers are, as already mentioned, also incredible good for us as we're unlikely to be visited by something like town trackers / vigs / mad hatters. So if someone visits us and we end up being roleblocked or shot that's Jackpot for the watcher.
Because he accused me of being his scumbuddy earlier and I wanted to see if he remembered doing that and can explain it (indicates he is genuine town) or if he's rewriting history so to speak. Ofc he could have just forgot but if you were paying attention I kinda pointed out what I thought was weird about BC earlier and that was the reason I asked that question.
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On September 06 2012 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 08:24 BlackMamba24 wrote:
seriously, vigilantes need to kill ottox the dude is 100% scum please don't go retard-mode and think he's town over some wifom I'm having second thoughts about ottox. He reads to me like a horrendously deluded townie. Think about it - he hard defends Mattchew. That's absurd from a scum perspective - especially AFTER Mattchew was confirmed. It doesn't read like ottox really was playing with the extra information (knowing allignments), he would have STFU long ago. Combined with the fact that he seems genuinely upset and has been pretty active, I'm going to retract my suspicions on him. I think he's a bad bad bad townie. I'd much rather vigi-shot MiltonKram at this point, I'm wondering why you thought he wasn't scummy in your earlier post after the lynch.
because there are clear and very mafia-aligned motivations behind what ottoxlol is doing that make zero sense from any other perspective
"too scummy to be scum" is a BS argument dude, ottoxlol needs the noose
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On September 06 2012 07:42 BlackMamba24 wrote:Here we go, I at least need an answer from BC here. I'm probably dead tonight so I gotta post what I can. If mafia keeps me alive to lynch me later, they're dumb. BloodyC0bbler - Changes his opinion of m and then lies about it. . First accuses me of being Mattchew's scumbuddy, then later claims he knew I was town all along and would have done the same thing. When he first claimed Mattchew was lying, he was belligerent toward other townies and even claimed I was Mattchew's scumbuddy. One question on my mind was "why is it that BC knew Mattchew was lying before anyone else?" e also used his first post to call him out. Nothing before that. Scum would of course be the first people expected to ask any role/setup questions along with blues, but blues usually only ask about their own roles. If it weren't for the inconsistency in his perception of my alignment (softly accusing me, unnecessary if he is town who thinks i'm town, then goes to "yeah I knew you were town from the beginning") I would assume he was a tracker. If he's a tracker, I've just outed him to the scum now but he's going to be hit target #1 regardless so it doesn't really matter tbh. I just want BC to answer to this. We know how he got the information, it seems an awfully strange question to ask before posting unless you saw his claim before you entered the thread and wanted to make sure. But surely you'd have something else to comment on? If it's a bus, it's a good bus. So consider that just pressure. I don't think BC or anyone is cleared by this flip. I've seen scum do buses like this and in fact I've orchestrated them myself. If mafia planned on bussing Mattchew previously it makes sense that BC's first post would be a call out. I really just want BC to answer about that inconsistency with regards to my alignment.
He claimed a Role that in every game I have that has normal setup type is not claimable. I double checked the OP and saw that it didn't say they were self aware but that virtually everyone in the thread to that point had accepted the claim more or less at face value. I saw near no one combatting the claim and more asking why he wanted others to claim. I then felt something was horribly off. Got the information I needed and acted. As you have seen thus far in this game and if you take a quick gander over to PtP3 I am like a dog with a bone when I think I have something I have found something scummy.
I do understand why you are asking me questions but drH the reason I was annoyed at you specifically at the time is you are one of the few players I assumed would understand how I got my info then doublecheck to make sure I wasn't totally full of shit, as if I was I'd have instantly outed myself and kept your argument up way to long before checking. However once cooling down I realized that I would have behaved near identically if I was anyone having to deal with what you all did with my call out.
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