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Believer
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden212 Posts
February 17 2011 11:02 GMT
#801
Sup gryffindor? You don't think the OMGUS is getting old now?
Errare humanum est, ignoscere divinum
pevergreen
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia252 Posts
February 17 2011 12:09 GMT
#802
TosaInu was walking along the street at night, trying to get rid of the disturbing image of Reenk being eaten by the camel. As he was walking, he noticed another member up ahead, one that Coagulation knew and trusted. "There was no way my friend be mafia," Coagulation thought to himself. He walked up to his trusted friend.

"Hello friend,

are you trying to forget the nasty camel incident as well?"

"Yeah, that was just wrong," His friend said, "wanna walk together?"

"Thank you"

After some time had passed, his friend stopped and said, "Look, I have something to tell you: I'M MAFIA!"

Coagulation was to stunned by this comment that he could only watch as his friend, the friend he trusted for so long, moved his hand to the inside pocket of his coat. His friend, with a massive grin on his face, whipped his hand back out, the middle and index fingers extended in the classic handgun shape.

"BANG! Your dead!", his friend said, just before laughing hysterically.

"That comment tickled my nose! This conversation is tired, it needs a nap."

He never felt the bullet that entered the back of his skull, fired from a silenced handgun his trusted friend had in his outside coat pocket.

Coagulation was dead before he hit the floor.

Martok gathered the twelve survivors and shook his head.

"We're not done here. A few more days like this and we won't make it out of here alive."

As he spoke Kagemusha was checking out some history sites, he was cautiously optimistic about the upcoming release of Shogun 2: Total War and was refreshing his memory about the history. When he came to a summary page, he dropped his laptop.

aidnai died like the others.

Alive: 11/30
deconduo
SiNiquity
JBright
gryffindor
Believer
Insanious
thefluffyone93
Beefy187
chaoser
GMarshal
ilovejonn
aidnai


Lynched: 4/30
zerroth (Strike for the South)
Misder (Csargo)
GGQ (a completely inoffensive name)
Mr. Wiggles (Seamus Fermanagh)


Killed: 8/30
bumatlarge (TheSpartan)
Ace (TinCow)
kitaman27 (pevergreen)
Node (Askthepizzaguy)
BrownBear (Gregoshi)
why (Andres)
Coagulation (TosaInu)
aidnai (Kagemusha)

Suicided out of despair: 1/30
LunarDestiny (Louis VI the Fat)

Wrath of God: 6/30
me_viet (Omanes)
ELITECubWarman8 (Centurion1)
SouthRawrea (Glenn)
Johnhughthom (Sigurd)
Project Psycho (Kommodus)
darmousseh (atheotes)

It is now Day 4. Day will end at Friday, Feb 18 1:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
February 17 2011 12:24 GMT
#803
you should lynch deconduo
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Believer
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden212 Posts
February 17 2011 12:42 GMT
#804
On February 17 2011 21:24 bumatlarge wrote:
you should lynch deconduo


Do you have anything to back that up with?
Errare humanum est, ignoscere divinum
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
February 17 2011 13:19 GMT
#805
Look at the kill list. Unless someone from totalwar did a ridiculous amount of research, the kills are such an obvious pattern.

That leaves:
deconduo
Insanious
chaoser
GMarshal
ilovejonn

Of those who would do this, deonduo and chaoser fit the bill pretty well. I've been mafia with both of them, and they are prone to get rid of experienced players they know first. Everyone on the kill list are experienced players they know. Deconduo can take a bit of a leadership role, and chaoser not so much. It is possible for it to be the other TLers, but then they put some work into changing up their style and deserve to win.

It has deconduo written all over it. I'm not really going to argue it too much, as I don't feel too much of a drive to help town anymore, but I'd feel guilty if I didn't do anything since I can talk.

I'd also be surprised if anyone left actually did any analysis or penalty guessing. Look at night kills too, please. You have to figure out how much KP mafia have. I'm guessing they are at 1 grunt 1 GF, and a third party might have KP. I bet decon and chaoser are on different sides.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
beefy187
Profile Joined February 2011
Japan39 Posts
February 17 2011 14:15 GMT
#806
Vote: Gryffindor
Regardless of his alignment, he must die.

I wouldn't cross off the Org players just from the kill pattern. Mafia can have a Quick topic where all the team members can discuss stuff. But I believe me and Fluffy is innocent because who ever was chosen GF wouldn't choose a outsider

Same goes for the style of writing.

Believer
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden212 Posts
February 17 2011 14:27 GMT
#807
On February 17 2011 23:15 beefy187 wrote:
Vote: Gryffindor
Regardless of his alignment, he must die.

I wouldn't cross off the Org players just from the kill pattern. Mafia can have a Quick topic where all the team members can discuss stuff. But I believe me and Fluffy is innocent because who ever was chosen GF wouldn't choose a outsider

Same goes for the style of writing.



Regardless of alignment

Why is that? I sure think he might be mafia but why must he die if he is not?
Errare humanum est, ignoscere divinum
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
February 17 2011 14:41 GMT
#808
Hmm, I'll just go with this.

Vote: Believer

Reason:

From: pevergreen [ 178 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Orgah mafia Role PM
Date: 2/11/11 09:44
You are Renata

One of the few female members of the Gameroom, you’re pressed for time lately, but you have an unlucky streak of being picked as mafia.

You are Town
Victory condition: You win when all anti-town forces have been eliminated.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Believer
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden212 Posts
February 17 2011 14:53 GMT
#809
On February 17 2011 23:41 JBright wrote:
Hmm, I'll just go with this.

Vote: Believer

Reason:

From: pevergreen [ 178 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Orgah mafia Role PM
Date: 2/11/11 09:44
You are Renata

One of the few female members of the Gameroom, you’re pressed for time lately, but you have an unlucky streak of being picked as mafia.

You are Town
Victory condition: You win when all anti-town forces have been eliminated.


Finally! Thank you!
This was my intention when I faked my role PM. To draw out others to claim it for themselves.

This is my real character.

You are Beirut.

You held lordship over the kingdom of peace and love (the frontroom, offtopic area) for years. You moderated it with a gentle hand, but used the axe of closing when necessary (you are a lumberjack in real life). When mafia started, you were the fictional head of each town, the one that carried out lynches, but rarely were you an actual player in the game, due to time constraints.

You are Town.
Victory condition: You win when all anti-town forces have been eliminated.
Errare humanum est, ignoscere divinum
Believer
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden212 Posts
February 17 2011 14:55 GMT
#810
For reference, this is my PM convo with coagulation about the matter.
From: Coagulation [ 3980 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Fake
Date: 2/15/11 06:13
ok but i gotta warn you
you might be in trouble if people try to enforce LAL (lynch all liars) policy lynch.
tl.net mafia is big on LAL policy.
just heads up. if anyone starts pushing lal its probably mafia tho.

Original Message From Believer:
According to the rules of this game I can only reveal my name in PM, the rest has to be via the thread.

I am Beirut.

I am currently working the Org forums for a true townie character that would propably feature.

Hide nested quote -
Original Message From Coagulation:
first tell me what your real role is.

second tell me what your gonna fake claim.
so i know your not playing any tricks.
after that i will back you up.

Original Message From Believer:
I'm thinking about faking a role claim to draw out a sure townie. Will you back me on this if they turn on me once I am revealed not to be that person?
Errare humanum est, ignoscere divinum
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 17 2011 15:33 GMT
#811
wait, i'm confused, so is JBright confirmed now cause somehow he's a "true townie?". How do we know this is the case? I'm not saying you're lying about the whole fake claim but can you please give a bit more info on 1) why you picked Renata to fake claim and 2) why did you want to draw Renata out?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 17 2011 15:35 GMT
#812
On February 17 2011 10:11 thefluffyone93 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 03:51 deconduo wrote:
EBWOP:
Sasaki Kojiro (Always suspicious. He votes for Csargo)


Sasaki is probably thefluffyone. He voted for Misder(Csargo) first thing both days.

Possibly a mafia candidate too?


Yes, I am Sasaki.

"You are Sasaki Kojiro

You’ve been here since the start of mafia. In fact, it was you that got the gameroom created. You were the original moderator, but those days have gone. You remain one of the best players though. You have a rivalry with ‘Csargo’ that almost predates time itself.

Victory Condition: You win when all anti-town forces are eliminated."


Also, this line is wrong so unless he's also doing something crazy that's a scum slip, should vote for him.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Believer
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden212 Posts
February 17 2011 15:39 GMT
#813
On February 18 2011 00:33 chaoser wrote:
wait, i'm confused, so is JBright confirmed now cause somehow he's a "true townie?". How do we know this is the case? I'm not saying you're lying about the whole fake claim but can you please give a bit more info on 1) why you picked Renata to fake claim and 2) why did you want to draw Renata out?


Let me get what I know out of the way first, then I'll speculate.

1) I picked Renata out of "chance". I knew that pevergreen had played with her earlier and that he probably respects her a great deal as a player. There was just no way she was going to be left out. The reason I say "chance" is that there are several people that fit this description. I picked whoever I thought would be the most likely.

2) Last game pevergreen played with her she was mafia. I thought that this might've influenced him.

I was hoping to be completely reassured that the counter-claim to mine would be true and that we would narrow down the suspects alot. Unfortunately I am no longer very certain, her description shouldn't be that short.
Errare humanum est, ignoscere divinum
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
February 17 2011 15:47 GMT
#814
On February 17 2011 21:09 pevergreen wrote:
Alive: 11/30
...
aidnai




Killed: 8/30
...
aidnai (Kagemusha)



wat
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 16:05 GMT
#815
you are Schrodinger's aidnai, you are both alive and dead

I survived the night so as promised my check, I ended up checking chaoser, he is Yaseikhaan. Now someone interpret that for me, I have no clue what that means
Moderator
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 17 2011 16:11 GMT
#816
You are Greatermakaiultrawarsupergigayaseitriplekhaan (Yaseikhaan)

You’ve had a lot of usernames. A tradition you started, you change the first half (before ‘khaan) of your username every thousand posts. People gave up and just started calling you khaan. Currently, you are one of the moderators of the Gameroom.

You are Town
Victory condition: You win when all anti-town forces have been eliminated.


I guess I should just c/p my PM then
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
February 17 2011 19:16 GMT
#817
@bumatlarge

On February 17 2011 22:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Look at the kill list. Unless someone from totalwar did a ridiculous amount of research, the kills are such an obvious pattern.

That leaves:
deconduo
Insanious
chaoser
GMarshal
ilovejonn

Of those who would do this, deonduo and chaoser fit the bill pretty well. I've been mafia with both of them, and they are prone to get rid of experienced players they know first. Everyone on the kill list are experienced players they know. Deconduo can take a bit of a leadership role, and chaoser not so much. It is possible for it to be the other TLers, but then they put some work into changing up their style and deserve to win.

It has deconduo written all over it. I'm not really going to argue it too much, as I don't feel too much of a drive to help town anymore, but I'd feel guilty if I didn't do anything since I can talk.

I'd also be surprised if anyone left actually did any analysis or penalty guessing. Look at night kills too, please. You have to figure out how much KP mafia have. I'm guessing they are at 1 grunt 1 GF, and a third party might have KP. I bet decon and chaoser are on different sides.


First of all, thank you for helping out, even if it is a half assed effort. However, you are wrong. As scum I don't go for the experienced players, I go for the middle of the road guys. I want to take out better than average players with little/no risk of the kill being blocked by a medic. You can look over all my games as mafia to see this is the case. I would never risk going after Ace/Node etc. early on as they are too likely to be protected.

Secondly, coag posted this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186653&currentpage=11#202

No research needed by anyone. In fact I find it much more likely that mafia would be either new or used to a different style of play to risk targeting veteran TL players. Especially on night 2 when I specifically called for medics to protect them:

On February 13 2011 23:13 deconduo wrote:
Medics should be looking at veteran players as they are being targetted.


As such, I think theres a good chance Beefy and fluffy are both mafia. For today, I think that thefluffyone93 would be a decent lynch. He hasn't contributed much, (though there's plenty of people alive that are the same) but we also have the slip with the role PM.

In addition, look at these posts by Beefy:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 14 2011 22:47 beefy187 wrote:
Well losing Project Psycho (Kommodus) was a big blow.
He probably had a investigation ability as Kommodus had a nickname "Holmes" on the Org.

We're already down to 19 so I'll share my thoughts so far.
iirc we are using the God Father system, or something very close to it.
Which means the host picks one God Father who chooses two grunts.

Three men killed so far has all been teamliquid players. As mafias are more likely to kill people who they are comfortable killing, I think the mafias are teamliquid players as well. If I were God Father, I would like to use two men I can definitely count on so I would'nt use any outsiders. So the mafia can't be me or fluffy.

If the mafias are in this to win, they would've hired vets. On the Org, controlling the discussion is a double edged sword, as the town may call for your head if you make the wrong call, but on this place you lot seem to go after those who doesn't contribute. I'll be looking at people who constantly posts and discusses, but does nothing controversial.


On February 17 2011 23:15 beefy187 wrote:
Vote: Gryffindor
Regardless of his alignment, he must die.

I wouldn't cross off the Org players just from the kill pattern. Mafia can have a Quick topic where all the team members can discuss stuff. But I believe me and Fluffy is innocent because who ever was chosen GF wouldn't choose a outsider

Same goes for the style of writing.





He is very adamant that the mafia must be TL players and he and fluffy are definitely innocent. He has been contributing somewhat by giving information on personalities, but that could just be because he knows personalities and alignment don't have any connection? Or he could be holding back anything relatively important to give the impression that he is helping. Also look at this: 'If I were God Father, I would like to use two men I can definitely count on so I would'nt use any outsiders.' Would make sense that one of them would be very likely to pick the other.


Next:

Insanious
gryffindor
SiNiquity

These are the only unknown names right now. One of these is Reenk Roink, killed Mr. Wiggles and I'm pretty certain is anti-town. Note that both kita and Mr. Wiggles were killed during the day, and both deaths are connected. There is definitely something going on here but I'm not too sure what. I would like all three to nameclaim ASAP.


Final thoughts:

2 KP last night so either:

No mafia dead, unknown KP not used/dead or 1KP saved/blocked
1 Grunt dead + 1 unknown KP
2 Grunts dead, unknown KP not used/dead or 1KP saved/blocked



We know there is at least one unknown KP, but not the conditions on it. It is possible that on night one or last night someone was medic saved or took a hit as a veteran. If so, I would ask you to come forward so we can better understand the situation we are in.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 17 2011 19:41 GMT
#818
@why I'm still working on your cypher, if you can choose what it contains then please next time start it with the phrase "I like the town" that should give me enough material to crack it, if you aren't allowed then I understand.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 17 2011 19:43 GMT
#819
How has gryffindor not been lynched yet?
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
February 17 2011 19:46 GMT
#820
On February 18 2011 04:43 darmousseh wrote:
How has gryffindor not been lynched yet?


Do you not think that fluffy is a better lynch right now?
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