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I hope this does it 80% justice...
KT might sue online user for defamation of Flash? - Page 4
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
I hope this does it 80% justice... | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
Though I have to admit, as a Bisu fanboy, this behavior from another fanboy disappoints me. =\ | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
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pandaminion
United States270 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On April 26 2011 04:46 doothegee wrote: The truth is, Korea's internet scene (especially among younger people, which would encompass most of Starcraft fans) has really degenerated to a disgusting, almost sub-human level and certain measures do need to be taken to address it, at least in my opinion. It is LITERALLY a very common sight to see someone curse, say, every ten words. Imagine someone checking into a LR thread saying something like, + Show Spoiler + "Hey what's up f**kers, how's that f**got Flash doing in this game? WTF? He's losing against that piece of trash Best? Fuuuuuuck. LOLOL retire nao" We are truly spoiled by TL (at least in the bw side of the site). The sad truth is that the vast majority of the internet is exactly as you described. If battle.net had LR threads for proleague I'd wager you would see the same type of comments as the one in your spoiler. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5501 Posts
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Craton
United States17246 Posts
On April 26 2011 06:39 nitdkim wrote: I hope this does it 80% justice... It's only 80% because the mantoss would never shed tears. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On April 26 2011 08:06 Craton wrote: It's only 80% because the mantoss would never shed tears. hahahahahahaha that pic and your comment made me spill my drink :D | ||
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Chimpalimp
United States1135 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
Edit: On more related note to thread, can't really see how one could make judgment without this whole thing unless someone manage to uncover this guy's posts. | ||
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salito
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
Maybe it's a cultural thing but I don't think anyone could say anything to my face that would warrant me to file a lawsuit, let alone something they said over the internet. People in korean esports should expect these kinds of things to be said frequently, otherwise they are simply unproffesional. Again, maybe it's a cultural thing, but Flash doesn't seem phased by it which makes me wonder... | ||
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4vvhiplash7
South Africa392 Posts
I would assume after reading this thread that this is what Flash was referring to by 'personal issues'. If what was said in that forum is affecting Flash and he is unable to perform at his best or practice properly I can fully understand why KT would want to take action... But again, this is just my opinion and I might be wrong, go read the interview and see what you think... I just hope this all gets properly resolved for the sake of Flash, KT and E-sports | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2260 Posts
On April 25 2011 22:58 yoonyoon wrote: The details are really fuzzy right now, but if I'm correct, a guy who goes by the username "잡담" on "스갤"(an anonymous Korean BW forum, which is part of the site DC) may be sued. The KT Coach LJH was notified by KT fans tweeting him about a guy who consistently posted malicious comments about Flash. A twitter conversation ensued between 잡담 and LJH. Either I haven't discovered the function yet or twitter is retarded, so I can't see the conversation as it folded but just see the two sides tweeting. http://twitter.com/#!/roqytm <-잡담 http://twitter.com/#!/KTRolster <- LJH (April 24th) LJH + Show Spoiler + @roqytm 멘션온건 진작에 봤는데.. 지금까지 써오셨던 글보니.. 입에 담기도 힘든말부터해서... 정말 너무하시는군요. 이영호 선수를 비롯한 프로게이머들이 현수씨한테 얼마나 큰죄를 지었길래.. 이러시는지 이해를 할 수가 없네요 @roqytm 근래 악플이 심하다고 느꼈지만 이정도일줄은 몰랐습니다. 물론 스갤이나 포모스 재미로 악플달고 하는부분 어느정도 인정합니다만 이건 아주 이영호 선수만 집중적으로 공격하셨네요? @roqytm 이는 명백한 KT스포츠단의 이미지 훼손과 더불어 KT Rolster 이영호 선수의 명예훼손의 행위입니다. 제 트윗아이디 보시면 알겠지만 비공식 팀내 트위터로 사용되고 있구요 저희 스포츠단에서도 모니터링 하고 있습니다 @roqytm 부모님 얘기 하시길래 마음이 좀 약해질뻔 했습니다만. 제가 이영호 선수 어머님과도 잘 아는데.이영호 선수 어머님도 여러 커뮤니티 즐겨 보십니다. 보시면서 당신글 안보셨을까요? 당신 부모님 심정은 걱정되고 남 부모님 심정은 걱정안되나요? @roqytm 어느정도 웃고 넘길수있을 만한 상황도 아니거니와 제 손에서 해결할 수 없는 문제가 되버린것 같습니다. 저는 팬분들이 제보해주신 자료를 프런트에 넘기고 SKT 경기에 집중하겠습니다. I saw the mention earlier.. Looking at what you've written up to now... starting from unspeakable words... You went too far. I don't get what crime Flash and the other progamers have committed towards you to cause you to act like this. I felt that the malicious comments were severe these days, but I didn't know it was this bad. I acknowledge that a part of the comments on 스갤 and Fomos are for fun, but this is just focusing on and attacking Flash. This is an clear act of defamation towards the KT sports team and Flash. As you can see from my twitter ID, I'm using it as an unofficial team twitter, and our sports team is also monitoring it. I almost weakened when you started mentioning your parents. I'm close with Flash's mother. She also checks a lot of online communities. Do you think she didn't see what you wrote? Do you only worry about what your parents think and not what other parents' think? This isn't a laughing matter and it's beyond my hands. I've passed on the material that the fans have given me to the KT front and will concentrate on the SKT match. And 잡담: (not translating all of it, but just the general gist) - is a Bisu fan - posted saying that Bisu might be better than Flash and got flamed for it by Flash fans -> caused him to start insulting Flash as payback - never insulted him elsewhere - didn't mean for Flash or anyone else related to see it - says that the guy who reported him is being two-faced since he also has insulted Bisu (notably PSing Bisu with a picture of a monkey with an enlarged nose) - only insulted Flash because of all the Flash-haters - begs not to tell his parents who will be disappointed by him again - says that he'll take the punishment, and learn from the experience - but then the next day, begs to be let off Ugh.. it's basically =_= really ... 비굴해.. the way the guy's begging. According to rumors, KT wants to sue, but Flash is against it. Supposedly he said that although he was hurt by the comments, 잡담 is still a fan of esports and should be let off. Not sure about this. (There's already a webcomic about the situation. I'm sure someone else *coughstartswithanmcough* will translate it because I have my last exam tomorrow and really should be studying.) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/data/cheditor4/1104/EUvy1GDBAH.jpg) It's better with the sound effects, but eh. Look it up elsewhere to hear the original BGM I don't really know how bad the comments were, but considering that 스갤 is normally a really bad-mannered place(the average post on it is probably worse than any post that's been posted on TL, including the banned ones), it's got to be pretty bad for him to be singled out. I haven't found the posts, and I think the original posts were all erased. Heard that it had to do with attacking his personality, appearance, and parents. Although I'm not sure if KT will actually follow through, especially since Flash apparently wants to let him off, I know that people have been sued before on DC. -edit- looked up a few previous cases, and apparently on 스갤, - a guy in 2005 was about to sued for pretending to be other users and flaming players, but he committed suicide before the suit (the suing occurred after the suicide, not before. the owner of DC sued him only to find out that he was already dead) - a guy posted that he was going to kidnap, rape and kill  [B_Blade]Leader's daughter(probably not for real, but just to state how much he hated him), he read it, obviously got pissed off, and took legal actionLOLOLOLOLOL Must be like 12 years old kid... | ||
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doothegee
Korea (South)3011 Posts
The guy posted an apology note: + Show Spoiler + 제가 사람들의 관심을 원했던거 같네요....관심을 이런 방법으로 요구하면 안되는 건데... 이영호 선수한테 정말 악의는 없는데...지금 현재 스타판에서 제일 잘나가는 선수셔서 이선수를 까면 많은 팬들이 나를 욕하겠구나 관심을 받겠구나 라고 생각되어서 이영호선수 팬이나 관계자분들 이영호 선수 본인이 볼수도 있다는건 생각도 안하고 쓰레기같은 글들을 써온거 같습니다... 많은 분들이 고소당하니깐 바뀌네 라고 생각하겠죠 맞습니다... 만약 KT측에서 고소 하지않았다면 저는 또 쓰레기같이 관심 요구를 하고 다녔을거고 또많은 분들이 상처를 받았겠죠.... 하지만 고소로 인해 다시한번 나를 돌아 보게됐고 다시는 이러지 않아야 겠다고 생각 했습니다... 방금 KT 측에서 통화를 했는데 KT측에선 고소를 하려했으나 이영호선수가 자기도 글을보고 화가 났지만 저를 같은 이스포츠를 좋아하는 팬으로 생각해 주셔서 선처를 해주셨습니다... 제가 그렇게 쓰레기처럼 이영호 선수를 의미없이 그냥 관심받고자 이용해먹었는데 이런 선처를 배풀어주신 이영호 선수께 너무나도 감사 드립니다.... 그리고 죄송합니다....이영호선수 정말 죄송합니다....죄송하단 말밖에 할말이 없습니다...그런데도 불구하고 용서 해주셔서 더욱감사하고 죄송합니다.... 이젠 앞으로는 의미없이 누구를 욕하는 디시니깐 스갤이니깐 이래도 되겠지라는 나만의 쓰레기같은 기준점을 만들어서 남을 욕하지 않겠습니다 절대로 남의 가슴에 상처 줄만한일 인터넷이라도 하지않겠습니다... 오늘을 제인생의 터닝포인트로 삼겠습니다.... 정말로 죄송했습니다.....그리고 앞으로도 쭉 죄송한마음 가지고 살아가겠습니다... It's just a bunch of "I'm sorry, I'm just another piece of trash who just wanted attention... I never thought that he would take it personally, and thank you for forgiving me... I will use this as the turning point of my life to never hurt anyone online again". | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Flash is classy as usual. Didn't Flash get Korean anti-fans saying bad things about his parents a year or two ago, too? That kind of stuff really pisses me off, attacking the player is one thing but attacking their family is something only trash would do. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
99.999% of internet people dont have the power to get their Company and sue someone who trash talks them. so instead we just realise its some random lolfag we dont even know, and move on. we come to terms with things psychologically and with reason, rather than throwing money and power and ragefits at them so you should ask yourself is it right to fuck up someone physically (sueing them, national newspaper, parents and school involved etc) for dissing you indirectly (they're mindlessly talking to their keyboard or a lolfag community and not straight to you or your email inbox) and annonymously in a casual troll/student-owned forum? no its not fucking right so people shouldnt be given that power. anyone who is shocked by "rudeness" and obnoxious or impolite behaviour should try spending some time in a normal community rather than one that bans 10,000s of members every year. go live in some unmoderated communities and games where someone saying they're going to rape your sister is normal and lighthearted fun/expression. go browse some guro communities but dont think you can call them out and get them arrested after you make the choice to step into their world | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On April 26 2011 16:09 FFGenerations wrote: anyone who is shocked by "rudeness" and obnoxious or impolite behaviour should try spending some time in a normal community rather than one that bans 10,000s of members every year. go live in some unmoderated communities and games where someone saying they're going to rape your sister is normal and lighthearted fun/expression. go browse some guro communities but dont think you can call them out and get them arrested after you make the choice to step into their world Dude when you say "normal community" I don't think of communities where it's okay to say you're going to rape anyone. Team Liquid is closer to a normal community in this respect because it's closer to normal, sane standards of human interaction. The thing is if there's no accountability and most people don't ban 10,000s of people every month or year or whatever the entire internet is automatically a shithole that will get continuously worse. It isn't an acceptable state of affairs for people to go around talking about raping people's sisters or daughters. Words like that have to indicate something because they're important for determining intent in committing in action which they can still do on an internet forum even if other people say it jokingly. I think sueing is a majorly ineffective and inefficient way to deal with it but you have to do something to establish that there's a line to draw in human interaction. | ||
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