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LazyMacro
976 Posts
Let's say the backpack was stuffed full of books, papers, etc., and the gun was in the farthest front part of the bag (furthest away from the shoulder straps), and then was set down on a desk with the shoulder straps being down, that would mean the gun would be ponting at around shoulder level if the victims were sitting adjacent to the kid with the gun. But as I've said 19 times, guns don't do that. So why did it do that? Maybe the gun was modified. | ||
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MidKnight
Lithuania884 Posts
On January 19 2011 06:47 LazyMacro wrote: I think this just illustrates that if someone has malicious intent, they will carry out their plan with what is available. It's not like you make all guns disappear, and all the murderers, rapists, robbers, and psychos just go, "Aw, shit" and go home. Well, yeah, but one psycho student can't efficiently go on a rampage and kill 20 kids with a knife. I mean, I DO AGREE that a person with malicious intent will do something sometime eventually, restricting guns wouldn't solve the problem per se, but I'm sure that school shootings wouldn't happen the way they have been happening, just because a kid could find his father's pistol in his drawer.. America's 2nd amendment is one of those old laws which don't really make sense anymore, but it is still applied because "the founding fathers gave us these rights blah blah blah". For some reason developed countries which have gun restriction laws don't have bad guys killing regular citizens left and right because regular citizens "oops they didn't have guns to defend themselves". I find it comical that you made this post considering your displayed country, since regardless of gun law differences (I wouldn't know what the gun laws are in your country) Lithuania consistently has a higher homicide rate than the United States the United Kingdom and France combined. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#2000s http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/seventh_survey/7sc.pdf http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/eighthsurvey/8sv.pdf http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s0301.pdf I'm talking about developed countries.Lithuania has a long way to go until it can be compared to any of the superpower ones.. What I'm saying is that with a relatively easy acess to a firearm shit like school shootings can happen.A random geek who was abused at school can't really decide to go on a rampage as easily otherwise. Obviously, it's one of those subjects which don't have right or wrong answer, it's more about where were we born and how were we raised.If you were a Euro and I was born in USA, our roles would most likely be switched.. | ||
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theron[wdt]
United States395 Posts
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Node
United States2159 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On January 19 2011 07:46 MidKnight wrote: For some reason developed countries which have gun restriction laws don't have bad guys killing regular citizens left and right because regular citizens "oops they didn't have guns to defend themselves". You know who has the most school shooting deaths per capita in recent history? Finland | ||
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bluefuzz
United States112 Posts
On January 19 2011 07:48 theron[wdt] wrote: most modern semi-automatic firearms have something called a drop safety, which means the firing pin will not engage when the gun is dropped on a hard surface. unless he had a revolver with the hammer back or the safety off with something engaging the trigger or a really old POS firearm, the gun did not go off by simply setting it on the table. So we are assuming that he has a modern firearm? As far as I know we still don't know what type of weapon it was, could have been a WWII Sten, which is known for accidental discharge when it is dropped. And although I doubt it, a long rifle, which most do not have a drop safety. "Accidental discharges not involving trigger-pull can also occur if the firearm is mechanically unsound: poor maintenance, abuse, inept "gunsmithing," or the use of substandard materials or defective ammunition in the gun may all lead to breakage." Old dirty gun not taken care of from grandpas old stuff in the attic? Until they tell us more, we are kinda stuck on the AD part of it. | ||
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LazyMacro
976 Posts
On January 19 2011 07:58 bluefuzz wrote: So we are assuming that he has a modern firearm? As far as I know we still don't know what type of weapon it was, could have been a WWII Sten, which is known for accidental discharge when it is dropped. And although I doubt it, a long rifle, which most do not have a drop safety. "Accidental discharges not involving trigger-pull can also occur if the firearm is mechanically unsound: poor maintenance, abuse, inept "gunsmithing," or the use of substandard materials or defective ammunition in the gun may all lead to breakage." Old dirty gun not taken care of from grandpas old stuff in the attic? Until they tell us more, we are kinda stuck on the AD part of it. Agreed. This is why I keep calling bullshit on the "official" reports. It's not the first time they've said things that aren't true. There's a factor other than "it was dropped." | ||
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Terrakin
United States1440 Posts
On January 19 2011 07:58 bluefuzz wrote: So we are assuming that he has a modern firearm? As far as I know we still don't know what type of weapon it was, could have been a WWII Sten, which is known for accidental discharge when it is dropped. And although I doubt it, a long rifle, which most do not have a drop safety. "Accidental discharges not involving trigger-pull can also occur if the firearm is mechanically unsound: poor maintenance, abuse, inept "gunsmithing," or the use of substandard materials or defective ammunition in the gun may all lead to breakage." Old dirty gun not taken care of from grandpas old stuff in the attic? Until they tell us more, we are kinda stuck on the AD part of it. This is most likely it, a very similar (without wounding anyone) shot was fired at my school by accident. Kid brings gun to school, has it in pocket, discharged and did not hurt anyone. I just don't understand if you were showing off or intimidating why you would need a loaded weapon. | ||
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LazyMacro
976 Posts
On January 19 2011 08:02 Terrakin wrote: This is most likely it, a very similar (without wounding anyone) shot was fired at my school by accident. Kid brings gun to school, has it in pocket, discharged and did not hurt anyone. I just don't understand if you were showing off or intimidating why you would need a loaded weapon. Well, plenty of people having loaded firearms for various legitimate reasons, but carrying a loaded firearm improperly to school where you're prohibited from having it and then sweeping the muzzle across fellow students while your piece of shit gun shoots them isn't legitimate. /run on | ||
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On January 19 2011 07:55 BlackJack wrote: You know who has the most school shooting deaths per capita in recent history? Finland Finland needs stricter gun restriction laws. As does USA. | ||
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reg
United States134 Posts
On January 19 2011 08:09 11cc wrote: Finland needs stricter gun restriction laws. As does USA. Simple concept: less gun control, less gun related crime. It doesn't have to make sense to you and you don't have to like it but facts are facts. | ||
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Kakera
United States419 Posts
Edited to be less condescending. I don't wanna be banned again. *shudder* >.> | ||
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JamesJohansen
United States213 Posts
On January 19 2011 05:28 Haemonculus wrote: This argument has never made sense to me. This is of course hypothetical, please don't jump the gun on this (no pun intended). If I wanted to cause serious damage to my school and maim a large number of students as well as inflict damage on the actual building, I could make a small bomb with easily accessable materials and do so. If I wanted to kill indiscrimitely, I could drive my SUV through any crowd and take down as many ppl as I see fit. Hell, I could simply mess up the train tracks around my house if I felt so inclined and kill commuters. The point of this arguement is, its not hard to kill people and the physical act of murder is the problem, not guns. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On January 19 2011 08:13 reg wrote: Simple concept: less gun control, less gun related crime. It doesn't have to make sense to you and you don't have to like it but facts are facts. Reg says it, so it is true? Oh how I love thee, internet. A quick Google showed numerous studies from Yale etc explicitly challenging the idea. | ||
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On January 19 2011 08:28 Romantic wrote: Reg says it, so it is true? Oh how I love thee, internet. A quick Google showed numerous studies from Yale etc explicitly challenging the idea. But did they take into account that facts are facts? | ||
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reg
United States134 Posts
On January 19 2011 08:28 Romantic wrote: Reg says it, so it is true? Oh how I love thee, internet. A quick Google showed numerous studies from Yale etc explicitly challenging the idea. On January 19 2011 08:35 11cc wrote: But did they take into account that facts are facts? http://www.opposingviews.com/i/busting-the-gun-control-equals-less-crime-myth Perhaps next time you can keep your snide little fingers away from the keyboard and participate like an adult. If you have a disagreement voice it but don't waste my time with your stupidity. User was warned for this post | ||
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dkim
United States255 Posts
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Qwyn
United States2781 Posts
On January 19 2011 05:17 Gatsbi wrote: how does a trigger of a gun get pulled by falling? this doesnt make any sense If the safety is not on, the gun can accidentally discharge, but still....WTF? I've heard of one round discharge, but three? For one thing, even if he did have a license, he should have had the freakin' safety on  . And for another thing... you cannot be in possession of a firearm until at least 18...and plus the fact that you would only be permitted to own shotguns or rifles even with a license at that young of an age, not concealed handguns. The school smells of phony...probably just trying to cover their own asses from any paperwork...either way the kid is going to get charged. | ||
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Doomblaze
United States1292 Posts
On January 19 2011 08:13 reg wrote: Simple concept: less gun control, less gun related crime. It doesn't have to make sense to you and you don't have to like it but facts are facts. I would love to know what your definition of "fact" is The CCN url says three students and the article says 2 students, as well as saying that the gun fell down on the grass and shot one student in the face and one in the neck, i wonder how that works. | ||
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
On January 19 2011 05:10 DwD wrote: ??? That can't be right. How can the gun shoot 3 people on accident while being dropped? Did he carry a fucking m16 in his backpack... Please don't start this again because everyone knows that most of the shootings in the U.S. are by illegally obtained guns. The only thing a gun law restricts is the right for law abiding citizens to have them. Duh. | ||
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