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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
However the focus of this even should be thoughts of everyone affected recovering. So far as it sounds, its turning out that way. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On January 19 2011 05:10 Sufficiency wrote: US needs tougher gun law. Seriously. Then again, this is a historical problem which is unlikely to get changed any time soon. How would that help anything? If people can get illegal drugs, what makes you think they can't get illegal guns? | ||
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xTikka
Germany13 Posts
On January 19 2011 05:31 MidKnight wrote: How often do school shootings stuff happen in the other parts of the world btw? There are a lot of fucked up people all over the world, sure, but a random student WILL NOT be able to get a firearm in most other countries, so it usually just remains a fantasy.. I'm sorry, but 2nd amendment is a joke.It's a law enforced 200+ years ago and now people look at it as some sort of "tradition" which "made America oh so great".It's plain and simple brainwashing. Apply common sense moar.. Other than that, let's hope there will be no casualties out of this thing.. I think your half way wrong on that. In Germany for example there have been quite a few school shootings in the last years. I am not shure obout other countries with different gun laws and their problems with school shootings so i can only bring up the example of germany. To specify a little more we had a recent shooting i think 1 or 2 years ago at the most where a guy took a semi automatic 9mm hand gun out of his fathers gun locker and shot several people with it. Another shooting thats a little older the shooter even had pipe bombs or similar devices and "practiced" his shooting on a CS 1.6 map of his school he developed beforehand. There have been a few more i don't remember much about so i dont want to comment on these. In my opinion neither gun laws nor "evil" computer games are the reason for the people to become shooters but the fact that psychological and social disorders aren't recognized and treated as they should be. Mobbing for example seems to me like something that would push someone to a point where he would commit a crime like school shooting. So there should be more time invested in helping children and educating them in a positive way not to treat people that in their eyes are "different" or "weird" in a bad way. I can understand if you do not want to have social contact with some people because you simply do not like them but making fun of them is not fair at all. I know that this is probably not the solution to every single shooting but i think its a beginning and for us as citizens i think we should start to take some more courage and open our eyes for people who might need help and not just walk by and don't care at all. | ||
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betaV1.25
425 Posts
Do note that i am not pro weapons, and i am in fact for weapon restriction but claiming that the second is just tradition is ignorant. | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On January 19 2011 05:31 GeneralStan wrote: 556 rounds are very small projectiles, which combined with the incredible muzzle velocity of an M16 causes them to penetrate very well for a rifle round I don't think penetration was the point. I think the point was that M16s fire a three-round burst. | ||
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LazyMacro
976 Posts
On January 19 2011 06:33 Millitron wrote: I don't think penetration was the point. I think the point was that M16s fire a three-round burst. Depends which model.  | ||
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Nyx
Rwanda460 Posts
On January 19 2011 05:31 MidKnight wrote: How often do school shootings stuff happen in the other parts of the world btw? There are a lot of fucked up people all over the world, sure, but a random student WILL NOT be able to get a firearm in most other countries, so it usually just remains a fantasy.. I'm sorry, but 2nd amendment is a joke.It's a law enforced 200+ years ago and now people look at it as some sort of "tradition" which "made America oh so great".It's plain and simple brainwashing. Apply common sense moar.. Other than that, let's hope there will be no casualties out of this thing.. We don't have shootings, but kids still manage to kill each other with knives, so.... | ||
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LazyMacro
976 Posts
On January 19 2011 06:39 Nyx wrote: We don't have shootings, but kids still manage to kill each other with knives, so.... I think this just illustrates that if someone has malicious intent, they will carry out their plan with what is available. It's not like you make all guns disappear, and all the murderers, rapists, robbers, and psychos just go, "Aw, shit" and go home. | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On January 19 2011 06:39 Nyx wrote: We don't have shootings, but kids still manage to kill each other with knives, so.... But no one person is able to kill 33 or however many died at VT with a knife. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
Most of them are made out of tungsten carbide ( or copper jacket that have tremendous energy transfer efficiency ) The former is good enough to get through IV Dyneema/Ceramic plates The copper ones create the biggest shockwaves while passing through gel that guy probably doesn't use FMJ rounds though or no point in buying them | ||
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War Horse
United States247 Posts
On January 19 2011 05:23 LazyMacro wrote: No problem, I just don't want the thread to devolve into a gun control debate (read: people calling each other names, etc.). To me, it's not that someone would bring a gun to school. Utah has no problems with it and they're just fucking fine. It's when someone has the intent to commit a malicious act. At that point it doesn't matter if it's a gun, a knife, a cup of hot coffee, etc. Stupid people do stupid shit and innocent people get hurt for no reason. It doesn't. The gun wasn't discharged from being dropped. Period. Guns are discharged deliberately or out of negligence. Here we go... If this gets locked I'm blaming you. The other guy was pretty civil about it. I would say carrying a loaded gun in a backpack then dropping it would be negligence http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/18/california.high.school.shooting/index.html Since the police are calling it an accidental shooting, you are putting forth the theory that the school, the students, and the police are all lying? | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
I've got no problems with sane people having access to firearms... in theory. Sadly, when sane people have access to guns, so do the psychos, or in this particular case, someone who clearly had no idea wtf they were doing with one. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
Even if it "accidently" went off before he could use it as he intended I'm almost certain it's illegal to carry a weapon onto school property. There's absolutely no excuse for bringing a weapon to school, especially a loaded firearm with the safety off. | ||
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dapanman
United States316 Posts
On January 19 2011 06:22 RoosterSamurai wrote: How would that help anything? If people can get illegal drugs, what makes you think they can't get illegal guns? Moreover, people can get illegal guns. What makes you think they can't get illegal guns? I'd be willing to bet that high schooler didn't own that gun legally. On January 19 2011 05:31 MidKnight wrote: How often do school shootings stuff happen in the other parts of the world btw? There are a lot of fucked up people all over the world, sure, but a random student WILL NOT be able to get a firearm in most other countries, so it usually just remains a fantasy.. I find it comical that you made this post considering your displayed country, since regardless of gun law differences (I wouldn't know what the gun laws are in your country) Lithuania consistently has a higher homicide rate than the United States the United Kingdom and France combined. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#2000s http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/seventh_survey/7sc.pdf http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/eighthsurvey/8sv.pdf http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s0301.pdf | ||
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LazyMacro
976 Posts
On January 19 2011 06:59 Enervate wrote: If you read the article, the gun discharged after his backpack was set on the desk, not because the backpack was dropped. Also, only 1 round was fired. This is not likely some sort of elaborate cover-up. Just a terrible accident. I went back and read the article again. It's been updated since I first posted it. So, he puts his bag down, and the gun in his bag discharges and hits two students. Well, something doesn't make sense there. Guns don't go off because you drop them. Something else is going on. On January 19 2011 07:05 War Horse wrote: I would say carrying a loaded gun in a backpack then dropping it would be negligence http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/18/california.high.school.shooting/index.html Since the police are calling it an accidental shooting, you are putting forth the theory that the school, the students, and the police are all lying? Obviously the kid is negligent. I'm not implying that the police, the school, and the other people there are lying. I'm saying that given my experience and knowledge of firearms, there's another piece of information missing. For example, take a 1911, which is a single action .45. Load a road into the chamber and disengage the mechanical safety, and throw it on the ground. It won't discharge. Do it 100 times. It won't discarge. Firearms don't do that. Something engaged the trigger with enough force to make it fire. | ||
Twitches
Canada365 Posts
On January 19 2011 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I suppose the safety on the gun was flipped off by a book in his bookbag as well? If the safety wasn't engaged he had intentions of using it anyways and if it wasn't it wouldn't have gone off. Even if it "accidently" went off before he could use it as he intended I'm almost certain it's illegal to carry a weapon onto school property. There's absolutely no excuse for bringing a weapon to school, especially a loaded firearm with the safety off. You basically said it right there. He intended to use it whether it was an "accident" that it went off or not. I don't know what's with reporters but saying anything else is ridiculous. | ||
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Perkins1752
Germany214 Posts
On January 19 2011 05:23 LazyMacro wrote: It's when someone has the intent to commit a malicious act. At that point it doesn't matter if it's a gun, a knife, a cup of hot coffee, etc. Sorry i have to quote this. One of the smartest things i have read so far. But why would you stop here? How about legalizing nukes, eh? I mean at some point, it just doesn't matter. Don't get me wrong I am not trying to make fun of you. I completely agree, as long as there are malicious souls, why bother to restrict the amount of carnage they can cause. I mean at the end, its all the will of god, right? | ||
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bluefuzz
United States112 Posts
A 15-year-old girl was in critical condition with a head wound, and a 15-year-old boy was in stable condition with a neck wound, Gannon said." So the bag was, "set" onto a desk. Which means it wasn't dropped from a significant height, even if it wasn't "set" down. Also we know there is a neck wound a a head wound, which could make sense for a single bullet trajectory. I still can't decide what to believe. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/police-at-least-3-shot-at-california-high-school/?hpt=T2 | ||
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