EPTtriple post~
So I will make You contribute,it is easy and quite funny,Torte.
Who is Your main scum suspect(given that it isn't sinani nor me,because You never stated it clearly)?
Who is appears the most town to You right now?
Are You having fun?
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
triple post~ So I will make You contribute,it is easy and quite funny,Torte. Who is Your main scum suspect(given that it isn't sinani nor me,because You never stated it clearly)? Who is appears the most town to You right now? Are You having fun? | ||
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Rean
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deskscaress
United States399 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:10 Rean wrote: Am I the only one that's being seriously disturbed by the fact that Kurumi is consistently typing You with a capital letter? dude i was this close to PMing him asking him to stop typing it that way XD | ||
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redFF
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:10 Rean wrote: Am I the only one that's being seriously disturbed by the fact that Kurumi is consistently typing You with a capital letter? ebwop: i just checked the thread again, there's not a single you, your or you're that doesn't have the capital Y. That is VERY weird. I'd guess his role forces him to talk like that for some reason, but i'm not sure what that'd be :/ | ||
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Poland6130 Posts
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deskscaress
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sandroba
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Second thing I want to talk about is that doubting any role claims at this point is not only useless, it's also dumb. When day 2 comes along anyone who has lied about their roles will be in a lot of trouble, so no one would be idiot enough to lie about their roles. That says nothing about aligment, but it's useless to discuss roles at this point, specially since those roles have provided us 0 info so far. Now for what's important, I'll be casting my vote today on redFF. On May 31 2011 06:04 redFF wrote: I don't actually see a point in the game where my role can be useful... Ok so the guy gets a mason role and can't think of how that can be useful. Strange that I can think of many ways that role is immensely useful, but then again that's because I'm town. Even if it was useless, as town you wouldn't say that, you would try to lure a shot to yourself to protect more usefull roles. From a mafia perspective this post makes a lot of sense, as it explains how you did not get shot in the following nights. On May 31 2011 08:13 redFF wrote: I'm happy people started to call out Varpulis, especially experienced players, as his posting doesn't sit too well with me. He made a valid point and you told him to come at you? I don't see why a town player would do this. No he doesn't want you to stop posting. He wants you to stop posting bad, pointless stuff. This is weird, I'm not so sure we can be sure mafia has plenty of kp. Also saying you wouldn't be surprised if you saw some 3rd party roles when the OP says they are a distinct possibility is kind of weird and unnecessary. I know this was said jokingly but i think GM might have a point. I don't think I would make a joke like that as town. Could be nothing i guess. This is a terrible fluff post. He's glad people are calling out varpulis (??), he parrots some weak points people made and his conclusion is it could be nothing. Great. On May 31 2011 08:40 redFF wrote: Ok, I'm gonna claim. I'm an interrogator. What is that? I can vote somebody to be lynched, and I will be allowed to exchange pm's with the person I voted for the rest of the day. I'm going to vote Amber so I can talk to him and get to the bottom of this whole situation. I don't see anybody else who i feel like pm'ing today to be perfectly honest. My role is not that powerful, I am not a powerful player. Me claiming can only be good for town. Scum won't hit me(I think) because my role is far less powerful than some of the other roles currently in play. They also have far better/more experienced people to hit than me. If anyone has a problem with my claim please say so, but i feel like this is the correct decision to make at this stage. Now this claim is the most telling post for me. Miraculosly he finds a use for his useless role! But he feels the need to claim it in thread because casting a random vote on Amber would be "too suspicious". He also explains how he won't be getting shot by the mafia in the future. That makes absolutely no sense as town because he just gimped the potencial for his role to be helpful by revealing it. Also town has no need to fear being suspicious and the only thing his claim does is dodging suspicion from voting Amber. He claimed before he had any useful info for crist's sake, he did not even use his power before he claimed. From a mafia perspective this makes a lot of sense for the same reasons it doesn't make any sense as town. He's trying to avoid suspicion and feels inherently guilty, so he feels the need to explain his actions before he's even a small dot on anyone's radar. ##Vote: redFF | ||
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Eternalmisfit
United States643 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:15 deskscaress wrote: he also doesn't put spaces after his commas,like this. it's really unnerving. is that how he normally posts or is it also worth noting? English is not his first language so his grammar is generally bad. On top of that, he likes to have an inane style of posting which got him lynched on the first day in XXXIX. I went back and checked XXXIX and he had the same style of posting 'You' so I doubt it is a posting restriction or a breadcrumb. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On May 21 2011 20:05 Kurumi wrote: Incognito,thanks for writing up a nice chainsaw defence. You're in the corner and You want to save Your life. You could be and egoistic townie "Hero" or just a scum who has been caught on a blunder. There's valid point that You miraculously evaded two lynches (I think both by 1 vote,maybe 2) still You're doing the same thing: searching for more suspects. I think You agreed at one point that brining more suspects than it is IS BAD. I didn't think so early Day 1 (We had A LOT of time) but now we are on Night 2 and the things WENT CRAZY. Yes,finger pointing IS SUSPICIOUS and You try to make it "legitimate" by saying how it worked in past games,but no,YOU CAN'T RUN AROUND WITH FINGERS! It is obvious that someone will agree with You at one point,thus lynching some random person. You try to classify Your actions as nulltells/pro-town while they're scummy. + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2011 13:30 Incognito wrote: List of invisible posters: GMarshal Kitaman27 tnkted Bum's post is on spot. Fortunately, I already mapped out some stuff. PYP Insane Game Plan The optimal picking strategy revolves around this cute little role: This role obsoletes the PYP1 and PYP3 role picking strategies. The mere existence of the thief on the role list means that it would be seriously harmful for mafia to know where the good roles are. Of course, it’s a no brainer that the good roles are in the beginning part of the list. So my only advice is that if you’re in the beginning of the list, seriously consider picking a role such as NRA member or Meth Man to deter the mafia from hitting/stealing roles from the top of the list. Due to the fact that the mafia can coordinate numbers with each other while the town can’t, it is very likely that mafia will get a spot within the top 3. As shown by the past PYP games, mafia has gotten the first or second spot in all 3 games. Which means town will likely have to be on the defensive, as it is hard to guarantee that we can effectively deny mafia the thief role. The amount of potential KP in this game is huge. This means that there is a huge potential for the game to end quickly. The basic town strategy should be to avoid KP roles, while going heavy on investigative and defensive roles to try to prolong the game. Tier I Roles Mafia 2 Detective + Vote Rigger Inventor Chuiu Jack Modern Detective Role Cop Bullet Bill PYP3 Veteran Doctor Bulletproof Mafia 2 Detective combined with the Vote Rigger is a combo that allows us to break up the town into chunks and analyze with greater ease. The formula is simple. The Vote Rigger rigs the Day 1 Vote into 4 roughly equal blocks with 7, 6, 6, and 5 voters each. All the lurkers/suspicious people are piled onto one list, and the Modern Detective uses his vote check to check one vote block each day, starting with the lurkers. Town then proceeds to analyze the split lists, allowing for more focused analyses. The rest of the investigative roles are used to sort through the lists, while the defensive roles prolong the game and squeeze the mafia. The Mafia will want these roles Kingmaker + Politician Thief Caller Godfather Roleblocker Janitor JailKeeper Puppeteer Hero PYP3 Veteran NRA Member CPR Doctor The best mafia combo pick is Kingmaker + Politician. This effectively gives mafia an unlimited anonymous unblockable dayvig power, capable of sniping off all the top town players. Caller Godfather is also an obvious mafia role. As anyone who’s read Caller’s Mafia V knows, Godfather recruiting high level townies with good roles is a town’s worst nightmare. Denying this role is iffy, as a mafia thief has plenty of time to try to find the role and steal it before it can actually be of use. Jailkeeper, roleblocker, and NRA member are powerful roles for the mafia that prevent investigations, and potentially save mafia from NKs. Hero and PYP 3 veteran cause town pain when mafia slip out of lynches and snipe off a townie. Lastly, puppeteer is surprisingly useful for a good mafia arguer, as it allows them to anonymously mislead town and cause tons of chaos in the thread. However, the most critical roles that we need to deny are the Thief, Politician, Jailkeeper, and Roleblocker. Due to the threat of a mafia thief, we can’t discuss precise strategy here, but townies should strongly consider picking one of these 4 roles. By the way KillerSOS is mafia. Also Node is mafia. There's Your "I HAD NO PLAN LOL WAT U SMOKIN' BRO" Your trickery needs to go to hell,Your actions did nothing but denied us from doing ANYTHING Day 2 besides thinking why Incognito would nuke someone out of blue,while we have King's lynch at disposal and plenty of time (and a pretty legit votecheck list) You knew and still know that Your time is running short,thus You try to spew chaos as much as You can,You contradict Yourself,never change attitude and LIE. Lynch All Liars,remember? Yes I am angry,because You think You're a Holy Hero who everyone should follow,while we caught some blood on Your cape. This is sweet how You try to derail us from the list Gmarshal posted. Here You go,this is the latest Pick Your Power Insane! Feel free to analyze and waste town's time on "You" and commas. This reminds me how I laughed with Ace when they were trying to understand a logic behind the numbers then. I'd like You to stop picking on my style,okay? Instead answer this: Who's Your best lynch candidate? (Why?) Who looks like townie to You? (Why?) Who looks like scum to You? (Why?) | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:12 deskscaress wrote: dude i was this close to PMing him asking him to stop typing it that way XD Whoa, what? How can you PM kurumi deskscaress? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:20 sandroba wrote: Whoa, what? How can you PM kurumi deskscaress? Meh,he probably meant the normal question,kind of OOG probably,if not,oops for him. Sandroba,I'd like to remind You that redFF claimed twice(although his first claim was probably a joke,still worth noticing) he claimed "Dog Whisperer",it was a lie. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
The amber and redFF debate: I find it surprising that redFF would assume Amber could speak normally in PMs. The roles were decided pre alignment and I assume Amber cant PM normally nor speak to mafia in quicktopics normally if he is red. (This is an ASSUMPTION!) As this provides us with no leads and knowing roles does not hint at alignment I suggest it becomes redFFs mission to decipher Ambers talk in PMs without clogging up the thread. This way we can open an avenue of conversation with the dog that is clear and not waste peoples time with it in thread. If either is lying the other can out them, if both are lying we'll find out soon enough. Make sense? Next I had a horrid thought - what if Palmar had the role to fist pound everyone in game to win? SCARY!!! I'm annoyed many haven't voted in thread. I hope this picks up as I hate having to check the voting thread and I assume anyone not double voting (as suggested in the OP) is being sneaky! Voting in thread means being explicit too - not just saying 'i think *** may be mafia' and going off to vote. Next i came across tnkted coagulation vote. I can see how if he had to pick a random name tnkted would pick Coag but I dont think there's enough info here for strong guesses (not that it ever stops me  )I thought that maybe tomorrow we should out any roles we feel would be too strong if Mafia had them OR out any people we created a mafia sided role for without outing the role. This is just an idea and does not reflect on the role created. However townies would be interested in outing strong mafia-usable roles so i thought this may be a good plan. DISCUSS! Next: What is Amber is the mole? I remember when I red about the mole/s I thought to myself that it would be best if mafia tried to contact me ASAP so I can setup some grounds for the switch (eg. not outing my role or outing pro-town info). If Amber is the mole mafia may have told redFF to contact amber to let him know and redFF felt he had to out.. Food for thought! Then I read Zeapaks post - I hope this post if full of enough information for you. I honestly noted everything I thought relevant and through a strong migraine as well  Viscera Eyes you pounded waaaaaay to early.. I really DONT like this whole Palmar thing. IF Palmar is pro town why would he out that he has a role that scales with pounds? That sounds like someone mafia would kill just in case. If he is Mafia though he has a good reason to reveal - to get pounds from town as well as maf (otherwise mafia is self revealed as all the pounders). Also I'm thinking if Palmar says 4 is the critical point but more are better I ASSUME that theres a mathematical rule to his ability. EG. He gets to use it #pounds/2 -> so 4 pounds = 2 uses which is more realistic than 6 for 3 and more useful than 3 for 1. Just a thought. I feel Kita is under too much pressure and being BWed on d1. We dont have any real info yet only conjecture. How can Kita be under that much discussion when there's more people to check? Finally the conversation has changed to sanroba but only recently! Mataza I'm finding your comments and play style very weird. Especially: Mataza Germany. May 31 2011 20:51. Posts 406 Palmar, bro, you said you need at least 4 fistpounds to get working. So cut the small talk, tell ya bros what number of fistpounds are critical, will ya? Ya know, the last thing I wanna risk is having a bro´s ego inflated by fistpounds, making him explode or something. No really, if ya share love ya gotta also share knowledge. Not only had Palmar already explained that more were better but mataza chooses this point to complain. Sounds like a possible mafia who doesnt want to pound. Even though he sounds friendly with Palmar. Next post is cryptic cos I don't know the meta: Mataza Germany. May 31 2011 21:21. Posts 406 Dude, you are behaving a lot like last game. First of all, there is not much of kitatrain right now. Secondly, the "I won´t change unless you bring a solid defense" is what you did as mafia, too. Problem is, you CANNOT have a solid defense in a mafia game. Doubt is the normal state towards everyone. You might as well ask for the holy grail before the crusade even begun. And I don´t exactly buy that more fistpounds are beneficial without any strict numbers behind it. Carrying over to the next day I could understand. Increments tied to certain numbers I could understand. But every single fistpound being beneficial is just weird. It has to be either percentual increments or full numbers of people then. And full numbers of people is what I greatly fear. Last game, you broke this bros heart. This time it ain´t gonna be fixed with a fistpound and smile. Imma never trust you again. First of all I think there is a Kita Train. Secondly I think this sounds very much like a mafia justifying not pounding. Now I myself justified not pounding but only in a general 'we dont know what it does sense'. Mataza seems to trust the mechanic but not the use of it (Why more pounds? Use less for a Benefit...) Having said that this is just something I found strange NOT an all out FOS Also on the iPhone Fist Pound keeps getting corrected to Fish Pond - LOL Next Chaos13 said Im reluctant to contribute - In fact I am in a different time zone, i sleep ALOT and I am slow at reading mafia threads!! Bum pressuring a role claim on tnkted - now that I didnt like. I dont like BWs d1 and I know bum has been mentioned before but he is definitely on my 'tricksy' list. I don't see how a roleclaim d1 on someone you have no info on is beneficial to town... Lastly Kurumi posted this strange riddle job. I have to say it's been really tough to break into but I suggest someone analyze his capitalisation - it sure is strange. 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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:52 DropBear wrote: Ok, so you're voting because Amber's trying really hard. Sandroba is a terrible lynch. The main reason seems to be his original plan. It was against the rules but when he posted his idea it was before deconduo clarified the rules. It might not be the best plan but he's obviously trying to help. He is accused of turning quiet. Within only 2 pages of the announcement of his plan the following people told him his idea was terrible: chaos13 Eternalmisfit Rean Varpulis Palmar Mr Wiggles BloodyC0bbler GMarshal stefftastiq redFF Mataza That is a lot of negativity to swallow, why is everyone surprised that he has gone quiet? I'd pipe down too if I was told by half the town to stfu. Varpulis, who tried to alter the plan is then jumped on next. He decides to "withdraw" and is immediately jumped on by kita and Palmar. Their plans might not be good ones but it doesn't make them Mafia. They are just trying to help, if poorly. Redtooth in XXXIX was an example of that. Their contributions are much larger than several players so far, even if they have gone quiet recently. I'd like to address part of this quickly. Here's San's post, for reference: On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. You say, that San is a bad lynch, because he is trying to help. You then provide excuses for him going MIA because a lot of people shot his plan down. The thing I see, about Sandroba's plan, isn't that it was just bad, it's that it was bad in a way that benefited scum while providing nothing for town. So, proposing a plan like that can seem like "trying", but it does nothing to actually contribute and if people don't see through it, benefits scum. I explained this already after he proposed his plan: On May 31 2011 05:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Yes, knowing the pick order doesn't do much to help town, but does a lot to help scum. If town sees that the person they picked for is fake-claiming, they need to use their discretion on what to do. They can call them out on it right away, or maybe the role they gave is very useful for town, and shouldn't be claimed, or the fake claim will draw something the real role would want, like a hit. It's entirely situational, and up to the person who gave the role to know what to do, in what situation. A list of who gave something to who, just lets mafia set up even more confusion, and makes it easier to fake-claim. Then, after his plan is shot down, he more or less disappears. You say it's just because everyone was negative to him, but for me, that shouldn't be an excuse to stop trying as town. When you come up with a bad idea, you try to fix it, or you find a better one, you don't just give up on it. Looking at his behavior, it seems scummy to me. Make a bad plan that benefits mafia, get told that it's bad, disappear? This doesn't sit well with me, because it seems like someone trying to draw attention away from himself after he proposed something scummy. So, for now ##Vote: Sandroba | ||
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