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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
May 31 2011 21:41 GMT
#781
We all reveal who we gave the roles to right? Mafia can pick off people that gave them their roles and can falseclaim virtually ANY role. Do you have a check to that in this plan? Because that's what I see at a first glance.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 31 2011 21:43 GMT
#782
On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote:
Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch.

We say who we created role for. We still don't know KP,but we have shitload of false claims,right.
How? I say I made role for X,someone counterclaims then what? I am supposed to tell the role? Clever way to get more roles than You know if You're mafia.
Claiming in mass roleclaim while the game is full of insane roles,pick Your poison guys!

The information we would get from that does not benefit the Town as much as it would benefit the Mafia,that's why it is bad.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 31 2011 21:46 GMT
#783
On June 01 2011 06:40 redFF wrote:
Sandroba i wasn't sure how useful my role was because i would have to vote the person I wanted to talk to. I figured the most use I could be day 1 was talking to our canine companion, and I didn't want the thread filling up with pages discussing if my vote was scummy and then filling up later on with people asking me to change my vote. My role is one that needs me to do things publicly and the less pointless talk on a townie with a "suspicious" voting pattern the better. I tried to use my role to allow Amber to talk to the thread and voice his opinions. I don't see that as being a scummy motive... I also stand by the fact that mafia will be trying to kill better players and better roles than me tonight.

Is it set up "Hey guys,it is Day 11 and I am still alive,isn't that amazing?! Guys? Where are You? Why are You in green blood? What are You playing silly boys?"
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 21:47 GMT
#784
Well their claim holds no wheight if there's no one to confirm it, and if they do it it will sound extremelly fishy unless they provide info that helps us find mafia. I can't see a scenario where mafia claiming a role without info that leads us to scum and without anyone to confrim it that results into them being less suspicious.
Can you please provide me with an example?
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
May 31 2011 21:49 GMT
#785
Claims are bad. We already discussed this, didn't we? Both sandroba's idea and mine got shot down fast because claiming plans either benefit the mafia or are too easily manipulated.

I'm back, and feeling slightly more assertive. Nobody fistbump Palmar. We still have no clue what it does, and he seems to have plenty already. Will make an actually substantial post as soon as I'm fully caught up.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
May 31 2011 21:50 GMT
#786
On June 01 2011 06:47 sandroba wrote:
Well their claim holds no wheight if there's no one to confirm it, and if they do it it will sound extremelly fishy unless they provide info that helps us find mafia. I can't see a scenario where mafia claiming a role without info that leads us to scum and without anyone to confrim it that results into them being less suspicious.
Can you please provide me with an example?


There might be an occasion in the game where we might want people to role-claim. At that point, if the mafia does not know who gave them the role, they cannot fake claim. On the other hand, if we give scum all the information in a silver platter, they can make as many fake claims as they want.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 31 2011 21:51 GMT
#787
Mafia A claims he picked for Mafia B,Mafia B agrees,it is true.
Mafia A claims he picked for Mafia B,Townie A disagrees and counterclaims,WIFOM(considering townie is not lying)
Mafia A claims he picked for Mafia B,Townie Suspect #1 counterclaims,we will lynch Townie.
And what info do You actually mean? Keep in mind,roles were handed before alignments were known to us,that means Mafia could end with DT roles,which is a pain.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 21:52 GMT
#788
Learn to read people. I NEVER sugested that people claimed the actual roles. I even proposed that we auto-lynched anyone who claimed with no info on scum.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
May 31 2011 21:52 GMT
#789
X says he picked Y's role. X dies at night, Y can claim whatever he wants. Or maybe mafia kill X to make Y look suspicious. Or maybe mafia killed X for some other reason.
Or XYZ Says they picked ABC's roles. XYZ die at night, mafia then starts this whole wifom train about XYZ being mafia because they killed the person that picked their roles.
All your plan leads to from my POV is the opportunity for mafia to fake roleclaim and huge amounts of WIFOM.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 31 2011 21:52 GMT
#790
Suspect #1 = "scummy"
the first paragraph = we have nothing
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 21:53 GMT
#791
kurumi, that's not WIFOM, that's a sure mafia between 2 people. Not a bad deal huh?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
May 31 2011 21:53 GMT
#792
EBWOP*ABC being mafia because they killed the people that picked their roles. My bad.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 21:55 GMT
#793
Seems like no one reads my posts. How exactly will mafia be LESS suspicious by claiming some random shit after the player that could confirm his role is dead???????? Sure they CAN claim and there's is no one to say they are lying but how does that helps them blend in?????
deskscaress
Profile Joined May 2011
United States399 Posts
May 31 2011 21:58 GMT
#794
On June 01 2011 06:55 sandroba wrote:
Seems like no one reads my posts. How exactly will mafia be LESS suspicious by claiming some random shit after the player that could confirm his role is dead???????? Sure they CAN claim and there's is no one to say they are lying but how does that helps them blend in?????


because if everyone is claiming, NOT claiming a bogus role would be not blending in? being quiet =/= blending in if the whole crowd is claiming their picks herp
would you ever miss it?
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 31 2011 21:58 GMT
#795
Would I be suspicious after the guy who could confirm my role is dead? Just because my "role picker" died does not mean I am scum,jeez.
It is rather a nulltell,it can go either way.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
deskscaress
Profile Joined May 2011
United States399 Posts
May 31 2011 22:00 GMT
#796
or how about this
Townie A made a really shitty role for Mafia X
Townie B made a really good role for Mafia Y
everyone claims. Mafia Y uses his role to get Mafia X lynched. no one lied so no one looks suspicious, we clear Mafia Y and we lose. claiming anything is just so dumb in wide open situations like this

knowledge is power and we should work on a need-to-know basis, especially without PMs
would you ever miss it?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 22:04 GMT
#797
No, you would be suspicious if you made a random claim that does not lead us to scum. Specially if the player that can confirm you is dead. I'm 100% against any roleclaims that does not help us find scum.

My plan does not help Mafia. But lets assume it did. Do you see ANYONE suporting or pushing my plan? So my game plan as mafia was to push a plan that suposedly helped mafia and have none of my team suport it? That would be pretty idiotic wouldn't it?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 31 2011 22:06 GMT
#798
yo, sandroba bro, just so we can drop the issue.

Here's the problem with it man, look at this shit.

If everyone claims who they selected the role for, the mafia will know who created their roles. That means they can kill anyone who created their role, and then claim whatever role they want, and we can't call bullshit on it.

Do you feel me bro? If we claim who we created them roles for, mafia can create a scenario where we can't call their bluff, and thus, they have an advantage.

Better just chill, and analyse bro.

I hope you get it now, gimme that fist bro.

#Facepound Sandroba
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 31 2011 22:07 GMT
#799
lol, that oughta be #Fistpound Sandroba

although, a facepound might be in order cause you're being a bit thick.
Computer says mafia
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 22:07 GMT
#800
On June 01 2011 07:00 deskscaress wrote:
or how about this
Townie A made a really shitty role for Mafia X
Townie B made a really good role for Mafia Y
everyone claims. Mafia Y uses his role to get Mafia X lynched. no one lied so no one looks suspicious, we clear Mafia Y and we lose. claiming anything is just so dumb in wide open situations like this

knowledge is power and we should work on a need-to-know basis, especially without PMs


So the mafia would bus his teammate to buy town cred. Good deal to me. Town cred is overrated and he will have to continue playing pro town for the rest of the game to avoid suspicion. He will also have to explain not being killed at night. Plenty of opportunities to catch this mafia down the line and you got one free scum lynch in the deal.
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