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On June 01 2011 07:29 GMarshal wrote:
Kurumi, if you keep spamming useless shit I'll make sure you eat a nice bullet later.
@People focusing on redFF's claim. Ignore the claim itself and focus on the reasoning behind it, remember if he is telling the truth about his role or lying is irrelevant.
Oh, since it seems like I'm not going to get much from torte
##Unvote
##Vote: Barundar
Barundar has all of one post. This is not an acceptable level of contribution.
@Kenpachi, you said that its too early to be pressuring inactives/lurkers. Its never to early to kill lurkers. If you dont deal with them early you have to deal with them later.
No they will kill themselves. The Mod lightning strikes many people
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Town really had a field day with my random vote. You guys act as if you've never seen one before. How many scum cast the first vote of the game and attract all this unwanted attention? The amount of discussion that took revolved around me was pretty disturbing. I also dislike the Sandroba bandwagon. Scum rarely come forward with a plan day one. I disliked that he dropped off after his initial posts, but I'm not ready to condemn him for it.
Here are some quick thoughts about random people, I'll try to post later about better lynch targets.
GM has been at the top of everyone's town list, but I'm leaning scum. So far he has been prodding others to contribute, but hasn't given much himself. When asked his opinion of me, he states I'm setting off all kinds of alarms, but fails to explain what they are. Rather than committing to a scum verdict, he merely casts suspicion on me, which is a much safer approach. In addition, Barundar is about the safest vote you can make at this point.
BC is being too quiet. Are you really satisfied with the current thread state?
redFF's role makes his claim completely unsurprising. People would obviously jump on the fact that that he was voting Amber day one. I don't see it as unreasonable to claim at all.
chaos13's posting frequency is much higher than I'm used to. Compared to the previous game, he did not reach this number of posts until page 100.
Bum makes my leaning town list. He has fooled me in the past, but we seem to agree on most things up to this point.
DropBear initially annoyed me with his tunneling analysis of myself, but I liked that he defended sandroba. I'd say I trust him somewhat as well.
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On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 07:35 Mataza wrote:
tl;du:
Your plan prevents something from happening that won´t happen unless your plan was done already.
You say w/out your plan mafia can claim any role they want. But they can´t unless they somehow find out who created their roles. And right now your plan reveals exactly that. We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out. Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest?
#1 and #4 are the same question. My answer to both is Meapak Ziph
#2. Amber[Light]. Only on the premise he'd lift his leg and piss on the throne.
#3. Green. It is the color of my wife's eyes.
I will state right now that I will not participate in any plan that has me divulging who I made their role for. Enough of you will be annoyed at me before this game is over. I have no need to add another to that list. I also have no plans atm to divulge my role. It would require 3 pages and a legal department to sort it all out. 
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On June 01 2011 08:07 Mataza wrote:
Huh, what?
I thought Amber could only bark and tailwag.
And then I question Viscera being on it. Maybe that is because I know him from last game.
But he said at one point he is picking up no scumread and he is just waiting for something big happening.
I´m not aware of a reason he should be on the fabled zodiac list, let alone Sandroba which Amber voted for.
On second thought, why the HELL is Sandroba on Ambers list?
I assume this to be a lie until Amber barks personally.
##vote redff
wow. You do realize that it's not based off of who's got the most games, right? Amber might think that Viscera's a good player, and I know that sandroba has played very well in the past. He was one of the most pro-town players in XXXIX until the scum shot him to shut him up, and key to the mafia victory in Splinter Sleeper Cell Mafia.
Did you miss the post explaining how RedFF got the list? Amber can quote and bold stuff, just not write his own words.
I really don't like this vote because of the reasons you gave.
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On May 31 2011 21:44 Mataza wrote:
No problem. I don´t vote yet, because I don´t intend to vote more than once.
I looked into 5 people who gave me a strange gut feeling, and only kitaman actually kept giving me that after rereading.
Its a pretty weak case, and I consider his role and his meta behaviour to be possible explanations. I can´t truly judge his meta behaviour, but his responses are unsatisfactory so far.
That´s all there is to it from my side.
On May 31 2011 22:28 Mataza wrote:
Well Jackal, because an opinion is a fickle thing.
Every little thing you read influences it. It may change several times a day.
A vote, on the other hand, is a big commitment to me. It is my sign of dedication towards my opinion. It won´t move that easily, and therefore placing my vote should have a greater impact.
Mataza, you have posted nothing of use this game. And you saying you are voting me until Amber wiggles his tail to confirm i posted his list is a huge contradiction to something you seemed pretty steadfast on before. So you are certain I'm scum and won't change your vote?
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Canada4998 Posts
@mataza the purpose of zodiac list is to increase the pressure on the players left on the list as the game passes and the list gets smaller. Me being on the list enforces amber's point that he thinks I'm scum. Viscera is kind of weird to me aswell, but other than that the list feels solid to me.
Can we lynch Trackster today and give redFF a chance to prove himself? Despite agreeing with my own analysis (LOL) I'm starting to get a gut feeling I'm wrong about him.
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Also I think Mataza is scum and would be voting him right now if i could change. I've stated why before he voted me and that vote combined with his previous posts about his attitude to voting has made him even scummier in my eyes.
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On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 07:35 Mataza wrote:
tl;du:
Your plan prevents something from happening that won´t happen unless your plan was done already.
You say w/out your plan mafia can claim any role they want. But they can´t unless they somehow find out who created their roles. And right now your plan reveals exactly that. We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out. Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest?
Since its directed at me:
1) I wouldn´t shoot. If I was compulsive, I´d shoot cthsazsa. Few posts, even less content.
2) This is hard to say. Dropbear over Cobbler.
3) This is not a dating show
4) Right now, redff. Before that, Palmar. If I could include more(seem means plural) Varpulis, Chaos13 and Kitaman 27 too.
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On June 01 2011 08:15 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 21:44 Mataza wrote:
No problem. I don´t vote yet, because I don´t intend to vote more than once.
I looked into 5 people who gave me a strange gut feeling, and only kitaman actually kept giving me that after rereading.
Its a pretty weak case, and I consider his role and his meta behaviour to be possible explanations. I can´t truly judge his meta behaviour, but his responses are unsatisfactory so far.
That´s all there is to it from my side. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 22:28 Mataza wrote:
Well Jackal, because an opinion is a fickle thing.
Every little thing you read influences it. It may change several times a day.
A vote, on the other hand, is a big commitment to me. It is my sign of dedication towards my opinion. It won´t move that easily, and therefore placing my vote should have a greater impact. Mataza, you have posted nothing of use this game. And you saying you are voting me until Amber wiggles his tail to confirm i posted his list is a huge contradiction to something you seemed pretty steadfast on before. So you are certain I'm scum and won't change your vote?
I am very suspicious of your list, because Sandroba is on the list.
Amber is voting Sandroba right now. I thought I bolded that part.
This list is a direct contradiction to Ambers vote.
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On June 01 2011 08:07 Mataza wrote:
Huh, what?
I thought Amber could only bark and tailwag.
And then I question Viscera being on it. Maybe that is because I know him from last game.
But he said at one point he is picking up no scumread and he is just waiting for something big happening.
I´m not aware of a reason he should be on the fabled zodiac list, let alone Sandroba which Amber voted for.
On second thought, why the HELL is Sandroba on Ambers list?
I assume this to be a lie until Amber barks personally.
##vote redff
# Kurumi
# Karshe
# Mr. Wiggles
# deskscaress
# GMarshal
# Palmar
# Eternalmisfit
# sandroba
# chaos13
# kitaman27
# Kenpachi
# Tackster
# Varpulis
# tnkted
# hiro protagonist
# redFF
# sinani206
# Node
# bumatlarge
# Mataza
# Mig
# VisceraEyes
# Amber[LighT]
# BloodyC0bbler
# Torte de Lini
# Cthsazsa
# Barundar
# Meapak_Ziphh
# DropBear
# prplhz
# stefftastiq
# Rean
# Jackal58
Player list. Grrr or wag tail after each name. Use your brain.
On June 01 2011 07:59 sandroba wrote:
1) hmm if I HAD to shoot tonight it would be tortedelini because he's either useless or mafia. I wouldn't want to be stuck in a mafia xxxix sinani situation in the late game.
Useless townie is better alive than dead. Most people I've seen call townies useless as a reason to kill them are scum.
This is first and foremost a numbers game. As long as town stays ahead of the curve we win. Doesn't fucking matter how useless you thing the surviving members are. What matters is your willingness to kill them. Don't be a dumbass. Unless of course you are scum then feel free to be a dumbass.
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On June 01 2011 08:21 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 08:15 redFF wrote:On May 31 2011 21:44 Mataza wrote:
No problem. I don´t vote yet, because I don´t intend to vote more than once.
I looked into 5 people who gave me a strange gut feeling, and only kitaman actually kept giving me that after rereading.
Its a pretty weak case, and I consider his role and his meta behaviour to be possible explanations. I can´t truly judge his meta behaviour, but his responses are unsatisfactory so far.
That´s all there is to it from my side. On May 31 2011 22:28 Mataza wrote:
Well Jackal, because an opinion is a fickle thing.
Every little thing you read influences it. It may change several times a day.
A vote, on the other hand, is a big commitment to me. It is my sign of dedication towards my opinion. It won´t move that easily, and therefore placing my vote should have a greater impact. Mataza, you have posted nothing of use this game. And you saying you are voting me until Amber wiggles his tail to confirm i posted his list is a huge contradiction to something you seemed pretty steadfast on before. So you are certain I'm scum and won't change your vote? I am very suspicious of your list, because Sandroba is on the list. Amber is voting Sandroba right now. I thought I bolded that part. This list is a direct contradiction to Ambers vote.
The list isn't a list of pro-town players. It's a list of players he perceives as strong and influential. The point of the list, is that as people are killed off it, scrutiny is placed on the players remaining on it. It's meant for pressure and to promote people on the list to act pro-town, not to say who he believes the town are. So, it's not a contradiction, it just means he wants more pressure on Sandroba.
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On June 01 2011 08:21 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 08:15 redFF wrote:On May 31 2011 21:44 Mataza wrote:
No problem. I don´t vote yet, because I don´t intend to vote more than once.
I looked into 5 people who gave me a strange gut feeling, and only kitaman actually kept giving me that after rereading.
Its a pretty weak case, and I consider his role and his meta behaviour to be possible explanations. I can´t truly judge his meta behaviour, but his responses are unsatisfactory so far.
That´s all there is to it from my side. On May 31 2011 22:28 Mataza wrote:
Well Jackal, because an opinion is a fickle thing.
Every little thing you read influences it. It may change several times a day.
A vote, on the other hand, is a big commitment to me. It is my sign of dedication towards my opinion. It won´t move that easily, and therefore placing my vote should have a greater impact. Mataza, you have posted nothing of use this game. And you saying you are voting me until Amber wiggles his tail to confirm i posted his list is a huge contradiction to something you seemed pretty steadfast on before. So you are certain I'm scum and won't change your vote? I am very suspicious of your list, because Sandroba is on the list. Amber is voting Sandroba right now. I thought I bolded that part. This list is a direct contradiction to Ambers vote.
I thought we had gone through the whole "is he even pming amber" deal. Also, stop and think for a minute, why would I make up some random Zodiac list for Amber lol???? He could just *grrr* at it in the thread and then i would be screwed...You voted me for a stupid pointless reason, you're trying to start/join in on a potential bandwagon of me and it isn't going to work. You have contributed nothing to this game and you just made a huge contradiction because you spent so much time explaining how important a vote was and how you would only cast it when you felt you were certain and how you wouldnt change your vote because it is serious etc... And then you vote for a reason like that. Sorry scummy but you're in trouble...
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wow - I write the longest post I've ever written and I make it about tnkted and even ask for others opinion and noone even makes a small comment about it xD thats pretty useless by me!
well then - good night! going to sleep - hoping the subject are something else than zodiac lists and roleclaims when I wake up :-D
GN
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Canada4998 Posts
I dissagree with you wholeheartedly Jackal. Building a case to lynch torte de lini would boil down to he's being useless. Player's would argue that he's noob town or mafia and it would take us nowhere since it's very hard to tell those appart unless the noobtown is actually posting opinions and being useful. Vig shotting this kind of players is very useful to town, specially if you have to shoot day1 and don't have a very strong scum read on anyone else. Pushing for scummy players to be lynched is better than to vig shot them because it generates discussion and out more mafia. Vig shots are better saved for people you are very sure are mafia and for players that can't be read and are lurking/being useless.
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On June 01 2011 08:30 sandroba wrote:
I dissagree with you wholeheartedly Jackal. Building a case to lynch torte de lini would boil down to he's being useless. Player's would argue that he's noob town or mafia and it would take us nowhere since it's very hard to tell those appart unless the noobtown is actually posting opinions and being useful. Vig shotting this kind of players is very useful to town, specially if you have to shoot day1 and don't have a very strong scum read on anyone else. Pushing for scummy players to be lynched is better than to vig shot them because it generates discussion and out more mafia. Vig shots are better saved for people you are very sure are mafia and for players that can't be read and are lurking/being useless.
I'm amazed you have no scum-reads after everything that has happened today...
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Canada4998 Posts
I do. I was responding to jackal's post. My strongest scum read right now is on trackster. I had a scum read on you (you can read why on my analysis), but your posting has improved since then, and your post on mataza makes me think you might be town. Mataza I'm leaning towards scum and so is Mr. Wiggles. Not sure about node/bumatlarge/bc, but they are bad lynches for day1.
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Also there is the logistics part of this list. Amber has last posted around 1:00 Teamliquid time.
That´s 7 hours ago.
I know you were online at least 5 hours ago in irc and also continuously from 2 hours ago to about 1 hour ago. As from time of this post, you posted the list about 1 hour ago.
Either Amber just came online just a bit before you posted the list, or the list should have been in you pm box for several hours, during which you were online and did not post it.
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Addendum:
If Amber came online to PM you the list right before you posted it, Amber could as well show up in the thread that time.
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I think I'm gonna vote for sandroba.
He came up with a crazy plan that got shot down like a lot of plans do. Then he claimed "LAL" and left and now he's back and defending his plan again. I am voting for him solely because I think that this is odd behavior and I don't think that I would ever act like that.
Other than that I think he is spammy. (though not as terrible as Kurumi who I think is actively trying to disrupt constructive townie discussion, but I don't think that he is scum so I'm not voting for him).
##Vote sandroba
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Why don't you just shut up until Amber either confirms or denies the list instead of theorycrafting something that doesn't need to be theorycrafted.
Get me bro?
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