EPTI don't think you're maf bro, I'm getting genuine town vibe from ya.
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
I don't think you're maf bro, I'm getting genuine town vibe from ya. Let's get crackin' | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
 I think this post contains almost all posts done by tnkted - Im also trying to emphasize what would be town-friendly behavior compared to scum - also I have taken note of what he says compared to what being done - its easy to shut down peoples analysis without really reasoning for it :-p + Show Spoiler + I don't think amber can #fistpound, palmer... he can't write anything but dogtalk remember? For now, lets all stop #fistpounding. We don't know what palmer's role is, and if it has something to do with the poundage he's been getting, lets keep it as low as we can get it. Now, since we have a bunch of noobies in the game, I'll say something I always say to noobies: Be suspicious of people that appeal to their reputation. By this I mean that if you got bumatlarge telling you to drop your line of inquiry because he's the fucking batman, you should be more suspicious, not less. Not that I expect that to happen this game, but its always good to mention. Well, this post is what made me think - he say noob, I jump etc. It also seems that all the "vets" or skilled players or whatever seems to be giving more thoughts about older games and how other games played out - I saw the busdriver beeing mentioned etc - he does actually from a pretty narrow point of view do appeal to your reputation as a bus driver ( I know it was a joke, but since this is kind of my test read - it should be included (maybe others have thougt?) + Show Spoiler + This varp wagon is a bad lynch. Look, he came up with a plan... it might be a stupid plan but thats seriously more effort than anyone else has put forward. Fair enough - he gives varp the "clear" but based on what? that he came out with a bad plan? + Show Spoiler + Lol, ok, fair enough. I think we need to set up a system of balances in this game. The chances of the mafia being unlucky enough to have given each others roles is very slim. Therefore I propose this: If somebody claims in the thread, whoever gave that role needs to look at the claim carefully. If it lies or is an entirely different role, announce you gave that person the role in the thread. This way we can catch fakeclaims. However, this won't be very effective later in the game because the people who gave the roles will be dead, and the possibility of fakeclaiming will be much less likely. For example, I'm much more inclined to trust redff1's roleclaim if nobody claims today... since everybody will read it and the real person who gave Red's role will undoubtedly counterclaim. tldr; if your person claims a fake role in thread, say so. otherwise stfu and let them be. Fair enough - really nothing to say about it, + Show Spoiler + deskscaress, don't bother arguing with jackal, its pointless. hes gonna do what he wants regardless of what anyone else says. And yes, this is extremely spammy for one of our games. generally we're a bit calmer. also, LOL at people pointing fingers at me. This is going to be a very different game... my role gives me the opportunity to try a new style of play. woo! #vote coagulation, in solidarity. This is where the point from hes earlier post should be emphasized "lol at people pointing fingers at me" - why shouldnt people point fingers? really? nothing is done to make someone less suspicious of tnkted - as far as i know? He also claims to have a role which allows him to play a new style (misleading information ?) the vote for coagulation also could be anything - as far as I see it its a lead for the ones who are biting the bait - and does it seem like town-friendly? + Show Spoiler + Now, a post with actual content: I don't think any of the people voting for varp right now, (kita, bum, palmar) are scummy. I think this is pretty usual behavior for kita and bum, and palmar seems to have been caught up in the wagon. So far, we have the following data: 1. Amber is some sort of dog with a tracker/watcher role. He should be protected/bussed out of harms way tonight. 2. redff1 has a mason role. Also worth protecting. 3. Palmar has some sort of bro role. I think I have an idea what thats about, but I'ma stay mum until we know more. 4. I have some reason for not being afraid of getting killed. Hmm....... As far as that goes, I think our best bet for a lynch today is................ On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote: Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier. Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons. What are you guys' opinions about this? This is precicely the same plan I posted. The following people acted in a scummy way in response to it: On May 31 2011 09:37 hiro protagonist wrote: anyone who is not asking Amber a detect question gets my vote immediately! any other talk is just filler and does not help, SO DON'T DO IT. We have two suspects in the form of Vamp and tnkted. talk about that! @kitaman: why do you suspect Vamp? On May 31 2011 10:47 Mig wrote: I am gonna toss my vote onto tnkted for now. He has been floating through the thread without contributing much, which is true for a lot of people right now, but then as soon as he is criticized by bum he throws out a 5 paragraph plan which isn't even really a plan so much as it's just common sense. Maybe it is just unfortunate timing for him but it looks a lot like someone over compensating and attempting to appear town after being pressured. more coming after the break, i have to go move furniture. Nothing came after the break, the break never ended - why type it, if its not happening? Ofcourse if its work related I see how it can be explained - but noone else really caught up on it. + Show Spoiler + this. except the fact that I voted coagulation has nothing to do with it. The fact that I voted for someone who wasn't playing on the other hand.... You can replace 'coagulation' with Bill Murray if you want, it doesn't make a difference to my role. No more clues! ok - he voted for someone who wasnt playing - it might be a hint for others of a certain playstyle? maybe coagulation had a role in a game which he want people to remember - yet again i can only see this as misinformation, which in no sense is town friendly. + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2011 01:11 Karshe wrote: I would like to hear more from Deskscaress, having read through his posts this morning. No clue what this means... Show nested quote + Show nested quote + Endorsing lying doesn't really sit well with me this early on. Show nested quote + Great! I look forward to your in-depth analysis! Show nested quote + Great! I look forward to your long and information-packed analysis! Here's your next post coming up: Show nested quote + Wow, this is a fantastic contribution to our game. I'm sure glad you're so committed to in-depth and well thought out posts. Also, I find it amusing that later in the thread you berate me for mentioning the fast moving thread when you yourself have already complained about it. The second half of the above post involved dissecting RedFF's blunder which had already been a major talking point of the town. But, wait... you just said you're so anti-parroting. Show nested quote + Really? This is one of your famous non-spammy, quality posts? And here is the gem that really caught my eye and encouraged me to go take a look through your posts. Show nested quote + Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia." This is a crazy weak analysis. You just went through and picked the posts of his that seemed most scummy. However, this part I do agree with: Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia." We don't know what the fistpounds do. I think four is enough for palmar for now. Nobody else needs to fistpound. Palmar, stop asking for them. This post is where he step down on someone elses analysis and calls it crazy weak, without even doing a single analysis of himself? afaik (in this game of course) maybe i triggered on him just calling it crazy weak without really saying what could be done better - ofcourse he just went through all the posts and picked out the scummy ones - because that in fact is what everyone else seems to be doing. The point being - desk were doing an analysis - he might have "hit the scums" - tnkted easly "disarms" this with calling it crazy weak - what up? + Show Spoiler + Nah, hes just saying that he thinks I know something extra about the bro and that I must be the bus driver because im always the bus driver. He's just being funny. caught in a joke - I have nothing to add :-p ok - so this is my current read of tnkted - i have to admit I have very little causes of calling him scum or town - the contributions which is made is most adds/comments on what other people already has written, no real substance of his own - the information he has passed out is not leading in a town-favor, but I wont really say its scummy either. Dont know if a post like this makes me more confused or what - Im absolutely not saying tnkted is scum - but im claming my uncertainty and hoping that others will contribute as well @tnkted hope you dont go mad on this :-p I need the practice | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I already posted my analysis on redFF and I also think trackster is scum aswell. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
And here is the BUT: Giving info about who you picked for is painting targets on people and no one knows on whom the targets are. They can easily interrupt confirmation chains by killing every second person along a string. They kill x people and discredit x people while they do it. Additionally they know their own roles as the ones they´ve picked for others they gain a HUGE knowledge advantage. What we should instead do is make known the number of killing and misinformation capable roles. That´s the bad stuff. Especially the Killing Power. Either the scum team is stacked with those or there are mechanics we don´t know anything about yet. I talked about that before. Because without killing power, misinformation, or alternate kill mechanics, this game is practically impossible for mafia to win. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On June 01 2011 06:40 redFF wrote: Sandroba i wasn't sure how useful my role was because i would have to vote the person I wanted to talk to. I figured the most use I could be day 1 was talking to our canine companion, and I didn't want the thread filling up with pages discussing if my vote was scummy and then filling up later on with people asking me to change my vote. My role is one that needs me to do things publicly and the less pointless talk on a townie with a "suspicious" voting pattern the better. I tried to use my role to allow Amber to talk to the thread and voice his opinions. I don't see that as being a scummy motive...I also stand by the fact that mafia will be trying to kill better players and better roles than me tonight. Sure but why did you feel the need to claim in thread before even using your power? Couldn't you have just said "I think this discussing is leading us nowhere and I sugest we start RVS ##vote Amber". Done. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On June 01 2011 07:18 Mataza wrote: Well I can certainly understand Sandroba´s way of thinking, trading townies 1:1 for mafs is indeed a good deal. And here is the BUT: Giving info about who you picked for is painting targets on people and no one knows on whom the targets are. They can easily interrupt confirmation chains by killing every second person along a string. They kill x people and discredit x people while they do it. Additionally they know their own roles as the ones they´ve picked for others they gain a HUGE knowledge advantage. What we should instead do is make known the number of killing and misinformation capable roles. That´s the bad stuff. Especially the Killing Power. Either the scum team is stacked with those or there are mechanics we don´t know anything about yet. I talked about that before. Because without killing power, misinformation, or alternate kill mechanics, this game is practically impossible for mafia to win. The thing is claim whatever role doesn't confirm shit about aligment. If the guys claim comes with info that lead us to mafia I'm happy with giving him townie points without anyone to confirm his role. That's all there is to it. Any random claims confirmed or not doesn't mean shit to me. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
@People focusing on redFF's claim. Ignore the claim itself and focus on the reasoning behind it, remember if he is telling the truth about his role or lying is irrelevant. Oh, since it seems like I'm not going to get much from torte ##Unvote ##Vote: Barundar Barundar has all of one post. This is not an acceptable level of contribution. @Kenpachi, you said that its too early to be pressuring inactives/lurkers. Its never to early to kill lurkers. If you dont deal with them early you have to deal with them later. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Your entire point was to claim so you can verify claims later on. If you take that part away, the only thing your plan would be good for is stopping mafia to back up each others roleclaims. BUT they wouldn´t be able to do that if they would not know who picked their role. So what is the point of your plan again? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Your plan prevents something from happening that won´t happen unless your plan was done already. You say w/out your plan mafia can claim any role they want. But they can´t unless they somehow find out who created their roles. And right now your plan reveals exactly that. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On June 01 2011 07:35 Mataza wrote: tl;du: Your plan prevents something from happening that won´t happen unless your plan was done already. You say w/out your plan mafia can claim any role they want. But they can´t unless they somehow find out who created their roles. And right now your plan reveals exactly that. We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out. Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
Wiggles GM Sandroba kita bum visceraeyes BC Meapak Dropbear Jackal Cesar Milan at your service :D | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On June 01 2011 07:35 Mataza wrote: tl;du: Your plan prevents something from happening that won´t happen unless your plan was done already. You say w/out your plan mafia can claim any role they want. But they can´t unless they somehow find out who created their roles. And right now your plan reveals exactly that. I didn't say that. If you can't read what I post I see no point continuing arguing with you. My plan is to prevent idiot claims from everyone as that only helps mafia. That's all there is to it. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On June 01 2011 07:38 redFF wrote: Oh and Amber's Zodiac list Wiggles GM Sandroba kita bum visceraeyes BC Meapak Dropbear Jackal Cesar Milan at your service :D hmmm, if Amber confirms this list I'm willing to switch my vote to trackster. Trackster last post was incredibly terrible, long, and with 0 content and I think you have the chance to prove your usefulness down the line. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote: We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out. Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? I'll bite. 1) hmm if I HAD to shoot tonight it would be tortedelini because he's either useless or mafia. I wouldn't want to be stuck in a mafia xxxix sinani situation in the late game. 2) dropbear, despite not agreeing with some of his analysis I have a strong town read on him 3) don't have one 4) I'm torn between trackster and redFF. I'm trying to see redFF's posts from a town perspective, but I'm finding it hard to do. His last post with Amber's list has me second guessing myself, because he could have kept quiet about it if he chose to. @redFF how does that exchange between you and Amber happened exactly? He can say players names on PM? You assumed that list was his zodiac list or did he specifically tell you? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
I'm no longer paying attention to Kurumi. He's just spamming. I don't want to lynch him, because spamming is what Kurumi does no matter what his role is, it seems, but I'd like him to think before he posts, please. On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote: We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out. Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? 1.) I'm with sand here. Torte needs to start playing. 2.)BloodyC0bbler 3.)Blue... no wait, pi- Ahhhhh 4.)tnkted. More on him soon. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I thought Amber could only bark and tailwag. And then I question Viscera being on it. Maybe that is because I know him from last game. But he said at one point he is picking up no scumread and he is just waiting for something big happening. I´m not aware of a reason he should be on the fabled zodiac list, let alone Sandroba which Amber voted for. On second thought, why the HELL is Sandroba on Ambers list? I assume this to be a lie until Amber barks personally. ##vote redff | ||
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